Supersonic_Man89
When did the Sid Vicious thing occur if it wasn't News of the World sessions? That's the only one on your list i felt was a truth.
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Sebastian
Taken from http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1321064/timelines-of-recordings.aspx?page=4 (I wrote the post I'm quoting from, and I give myself permission to do it):
'Anarchy in the UK' was recorded on November the 11th 1976, suggesting the incident of Johnny Rotten interrupting Fred while he was playing piano might have happened around that time. By then, Queen had almost finished 'Races' and were basically giving final tweaks to the mixes.
'Seventeen' and 'Body' were recorded in May and June 1977, respectively. By the time Queen went to Wessex, the Pistols had already left (they did a couple of demos four miles away in Soho), which suggests the 'Simon Ferocious' episode took place either before the actual 'News of the World' recordings (maybe Queen were there just rehearsing, or Fred was visiting Roger during the 'Testify/TV' sessions or working with Peter Straker or someone else) and/or after the 'Bollocks' ones (Pistols went there to pick-up a tape or something)... or maybe it didn't happen in Wessex at all, but somewhere else (e.g. EMI offices before the Pistols were dropped).
'Anarchy in the UK' was recorded on November the 11th 1976, suggesting the incident of Johnny Rotten interrupting Fred while he was playing piano might have happened around that time. By then, Queen had almost finished 'Races' and were basically giving final tweaks to the mixes.
'Seventeen' and 'Body' were recorded in May and June 1977, respectively. By the time Queen went to Wessex, the Pistols had already left (they did a couple of demos four miles away in Soho), which suggests the 'Simon Ferocious' episode took place either before the actual 'News of the World' recordings (maybe Queen were there just rehearsing, or Fred was visiting Roger during the 'Testify/TV' sessions or working with Peter Straker or someone else) and/or after the 'Bollocks' ones (Pistols went there to pick-up a tape or something)... or maybe it didn't happen in Wessex at all, but somewhere else (e.g. EMI offices before the Pistols were dropped).
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[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
You did nothing wrong, it's not your fault. It's just, as I said, an example of how false stories spread like wildfire, just because they sound funny, spectacular or anecdotal. There are actually plenty of those, virtually one per album:
- 'All God's People' having been written for 'Barcelona'.
-[/QUOTE]
I can understand why people refer to 'All God's People' as having been written for Barcelona. It evolved from 'Africa By Night', which WAS written for Barcelona (or at written least during the Barcelona sessions with other tracks that made that album), and it was already "far progressed" before being shelved.....far from 'anecdotal', the following is from www.freddiemercury.com:
"In terms of songwriting, 1987/88 was something of a prolific period for Freddie. A number of ideas he began during the Barcelona sessions were never finished, and those which were, underwent significant changes along the road to perfection. Working titles such as Rachmaninov’s Revenge, Vocal Exercises and Freddie’s Overture gave way to The Fallen Priest, Exercises In Free Love and Guide Me Home, and another idea, the exotically titled Africa By Night, evolved into All God’s People, and although far progressed, was shelved only to be re-worked later by Queen for the 1991 Innuendo album".
Based on the other tracks quoted above that underwent name changes from working to final versions but when listened to are very easily identifiable as the 'same song', I'd say that 'Africa by Night' and 'All God's People' should be considered as such too, especially as it is officially confirmed that it was '"far progressed", which to me indicates it was a fully fledged track and not just a few working chords and mumbled vocal melodies.
BTW, has anyone ever heard 'Africa by Night'?
You did nothing wrong, it's not your fault. It's just, as I said, an example of how false stories spread like wildfire, just because they sound funny, spectacular or anecdotal. There are actually plenty of those, virtually one per album:
- 'All God's People' having been written for 'Barcelona'.
-[/QUOTE]
I can understand why people refer to 'All God's People' as having been written for Barcelona. It evolved from 'Africa By Night', which WAS written for Barcelona (or at written least during the Barcelona sessions with other tracks that made that album), and it was already "far progressed" before being shelved.....far from 'anecdotal', the following is from www.freddiemercury.com:
"In terms of songwriting, 1987/88 was something of a prolific period for Freddie. A number of ideas he began during the Barcelona sessions were never finished, and those which were, underwent significant changes along the road to perfection. Working titles such as Rachmaninov’s Revenge, Vocal Exercises and Freddie’s Overture gave way to The Fallen Priest, Exercises In Free Love and Guide Me Home, and another idea, the exotically titled Africa By Night, evolved into All God’s People, and although far progressed, was shelved only to be re-worked later by Queen for the 1991 Innuendo album".
Based on the other tracks quoted above that underwent name changes from working to final versions but when listened to are very easily identifiable as the 'same song', I'd say that 'Africa by Night' and 'All God's People' should be considered as such too, especially as it is officially confirmed that it was '"far progressed", which to me indicates it was a fully fledged track and not just a few working chords and mumbled vocal melodies.
BTW, has anyone ever heard 'Africa by Night'?
Sebastian
According to what Mike Moran said, it was written for a solo album which didn't materialise *because* Montsy expressed her interest in recording with Fred, so they went to do 'Barcelona' (the album) instead.
Not the same thing.
Moreover, Mike's comment makes no mention of the alleged working title.
Source: https://youtu.be/Ppg-e6kqIrg?t=33m6s
Not the same thing.
Moreover, Mike's comment makes no mention of the alleged working title.
Source: https://youtu.be/Ppg-e6kqIrg?t=33m6s
Grizzly Adam
Re: Sex Pistols and NOTW. In the Rolling Stone magazine retrospective "What a Long Strange Trip its Been" there is an interview with Sid Vicious. The interviewer sets the scene, mentioning hearing Queen recording WWRY in an adjacent studio.
Sebastian
Interesting. Have you got a link?
Grizzly Adam
No link, but I found the name and author. Interview was conducted in August of 77.
The Sex Pistols:
Rock is sick and living in London
by
Charles M. Young
The Sex Pistols:
Rock is sick and living in London
by
Charles M. Young
Sebastian
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/a-report-on-the-sex-pistols-19771020
No mention of WWRY and the author even claims 'college' is the equivalent of 'high school.' So much for their credibility.
No mention of WWRY and the author even claims 'college' is the equivalent of 'high school.' So much for their credibility.
Grizzly Adam
Sorry I lead you astray, havent seen that article in 15 years, my mind must have twisted it. But what we do have is an interview in August of 77 where the reporter states that Queen and Vicious were in the studio at the same time. Makes it seem more likely than not that this is the session where the incident occured.
Sebastian
Not necessarily ... article could've been sensationalised, as it often happens. Recording dates (which are far more reliable than a human witness, who can lie, exaggerate and misremember) tell us NOTW and NMTB sessions did not overlap, as they recorded 'Bollocks' when Queen were touring America and Canada. If they did bump into each other, it was under different circumstances ... maybe Fred was recording BV's for Peter Straker or something.