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Any chance of a torrent please,thanks in advance
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brians wig
I can't help with a torrent, sorry.
I've not been able to do a successful one for years. No idea why.
I can use torrenting to get a file, but not share one :(
I've not been able to do a successful one for years. No idea why.
I can use torrenting to get a file, but not share one :(
people on streets
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Nitroboy wrote:[/b]
Indeed. 2 standard DVDs, or 1 8.5GB DVD. OR even better: A direct capture to a PC in DV-AVI mode (about 25Mbps for video) :P
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Well I do capture in DV AVI mode and always keep the unedited captures.
If someone has an alternate, lossless, better audio source, they want to share with me, I can drop it on the timeline and do a better encode.
The only difference is it will be a file to playback rather than an authored DVD.
[/QUOTE]
And another difference is of course the quality!
DV AVI capture is far superior!
Also, if you make an MKV out of it (with MKVmerge more info here: https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html)
you preserve quality of both the audio and video files AND you can make a title track just like you'd have with a dvd. No fancy menu though, but who cares.
In other words: capture in the best possible quality, merge it with best possible audio to an MKV and make track splits.
IMHO that's the way to do it in 2017.
[QUOTE] [b]Nitroboy wrote:[/b]
Indeed. 2 standard DVDs, or 1 8.5GB DVD. OR even better: A direct capture to a PC in DV-AVI mode (about 25Mbps for video) :P
[/QUOTE]
Well I do capture in DV AVI mode and always keep the unedited captures.
If someone has an alternate, lossless, better audio source, they want to share with me, I can drop it on the timeline and do a better encode.
The only difference is it will be a file to playback rather than an authored DVD.
[/QUOTE]
And another difference is of course the quality!
DV AVI capture is far superior!
Also, if you make an MKV out of it (with MKVmerge more info here: https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html)
you preserve quality of both the audio and video files AND you can make a title track just like you'd have with a dvd. No fancy menu though, but who cares.
In other words: capture in the best possible quality, merge it with best possible audio to an MKV and make track splits.
IMHO that's the way to do it in 2017.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]people on streets wrote:[/b]
And another difference is of course the quality!
DV AVI capture is far superior!
Also, if you make an MKV out of it (with MKVmerge more info here: https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html)
you preserve quality of both the audio and video files AND you can make a title track just like you'd have with a dvd. No fancy menu though, but who cares.
In other words: capture in the best possible quality, merge it with best possible audio to an MKV and make track splits.
IMHO that's the way to do it in 2017.[/QUOTE]
Yup, you're right.
And another difference is of course the quality!
DV AVI capture is far superior!
Also, if you make an MKV out of it (with MKVmerge more info here: https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html)
you preserve quality of both the audio and video files AND you can make a title track just like you'd have with a dvd. No fancy menu though, but who cares.
In other words: capture in the best possible quality, merge it with best possible audio to an MKV and make track splits.
IMHO that's the way to do it in 2017.[/QUOTE]
Yup, you're right.
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]people on streets wrote:[/b]
And another difference is of course the quality!
DV AVI capture is far superior!
Also, if you make an MKV out of it (with MKVmerge more info here: https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html)
you preserve quality of both the audio and video files AND you can make a title track just like you'd have with a dvd. No fancy menu though, but who cares.
In other words: capture in the best possible quality, merge it with best possible audio to an MKV and make track splits.
IMHO that's the way to do it in 2017.[/QUOTE]
The only negative to that is that some people like to watch videos on something called a "TV set", and no media player I've ever had (or my current smart TV) will playback DV AVI files.
They don't even play back the new (ish) H.265 format which keeps the interlacing and is smaller file sizes than H.264.
Yes. I personally play back files from a hard drive rather than physical media these days, so I can go with that.
As I said though, the DVD was made for a purpose and as such was an "easy" first share here.
BUT, there have been some positives to come out of this which will make sure that the next upload will be more definitive :)
And another difference is of course the quality!
DV AVI capture is far superior!
Also, if you make an MKV out of it (with MKVmerge more info here: https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html)
you preserve quality of both the audio and video files AND you can make a title track just like you'd have with a dvd. No fancy menu though, but who cares.
In other words: capture in the best possible quality, merge it with best possible audio to an MKV and make track splits.
IMHO that's the way to do it in 2017.[/QUOTE]
The only negative to that is that some people like to watch videos on something called a "TV set", and no media player I've ever had (or my current smart TV) will playback DV AVI files.
They don't even play back the new (ish) H.265 format which keeps the interlacing and is smaller file sizes than H.264.
Yes. I personally play back files from a hard drive rather than physical media these days, so I can go with that.
As I said though, the DVD was made for a purpose and as such was an "easy" first share here.
BUT, there have been some positives to come out of this which will make sure that the next upload will be more definitive :)
Barry Durex
The DVD looks fine. The audio could be a bit better though. If Real Wizard can sync his better audio that would be cool. Is it lossless audio?
brians wig
I've chatted with that Wizard bloke and his audio is mono. He says he's never heard it in stereo before, so I wonder if it's a case of the automatic record levels on the camcorder distorted the stereo sound but left the mono sound at a lower volume (assuming HI-8 even had stereo and mono soundtrack options) and the subsequent VHS sub master used for dubbing the multitudes of copies that were distributed only copied the mono track?
The audio on the DV AVI capture IS lossless.
The audio on the DVD I made is ac3 as I always prioritise video bitrate above audio.
Kurgan's audio will be lossless so if his is better than 'my' stereo audio, we can use that if Wizards audio isn't lossless.
Either way, a collaboration is planned to produce a definitive version!
The audio on the DV AVI capture IS lossless.
The audio on the DVD I made is ac3 as I always prioritise video bitrate above audio.
Kurgan's audio will be lossless so if his is better than 'my' stereo audio, we can use that if Wizards audio isn't lossless.
Either way, a collaboration is planned to produce a definitive version!
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
The DVD looks fine. The audio could be a bit better though.
If Real Wizard can sync his better audio that would be cool.
Is it lossless audio?[/QUOTE]
Yup.
So, cool - we have a plan. Either my audio or Kurgan's. Can I hear a sample of that one?
The DVD looks fine. The audio could be a bit better though.
If Real Wizard can sync his better audio that would be cool.
Is it lossless audio?[/QUOTE]
Yup.
So, cool - we have a plan. Either my audio or Kurgan's. Can I hear a sample of that one?
Barry Durex
Perhaps the 'normal' audio track on the VHS tape brians wig used does not have the distortion? That would also be lossless, but probably mono. Having said that I think there were some VHS machines that were capable or recording in linear stereo as well as HI FI, in which case the normal track could also be stereo. Of course the player used now would also have to be capable of playing linear stereo.
last-horizon 42265
Dear David,
This is very cool. HUGE thanks!
Has the original taper disclose the story behind IILWMC being cut? Battery or tape switch perhaps?
It's curious that a excerpt of it appears on the video recordings but were cut off the audio bootlegs.
I have created a merged definitive audio version myself including that one but I doubt that it will beat Kurgan or Bob versions.
This is very cool. HUGE thanks!
Has the original taper disclose the story behind IILWMC being cut? Battery or tape switch perhaps?
It's curious that a excerpt of it appears on the video recordings but were cut off the audio bootlegs.
I have created a merged definitive audio version myself including that one but I doubt that it will beat Kurgan or Bob versions.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]last-horizon 42265 wrote:[/b]
I have created a merged definitive audio version myself including that one but I doubt that it will beat Kurgan or Bob versions.[/QUOTE]
Feel free to post a sample so we can compare !
I have created a merged definitive audio version myself including that one but I doubt that it will beat Kurgan or Bob versions.[/QUOTE]
Feel free to post a sample so we can compare !
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
Perhaps the 'normal' audio track on the VHS tape brians wig used does not have the distortion?
That would also be lossless, but probably mono.
Having said that I think there were some VHS machines that were capable or recording in linear stereo as well as HI FI, in which case the normal track could also be stereo.
Of course the player used now would also have to be capable of playing linear stereo.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. The only downside is I gave the taper his tape back last year along with the "rush" DVD so he at least had "something", thereby giving me time to do a better encode on everything!
As I said, the only reason I uploaded it here before a better version was ready is because the old thread got resurrected.
The good news is the better copy will get done sooner now as someone else is taking it off my hands.
Perhaps the 'normal' audio track on the VHS tape brians wig used does not have the distortion?
That would also be lossless, but probably mono.
Having said that I think there were some VHS machines that were capable or recording in linear stereo as well as HI FI, in which case the normal track could also be stereo.
Of course the player used now would also have to be capable of playing linear stereo.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. The only downside is I gave the taper his tape back last year along with the "rush" DVD so he at least had "something", thereby giving me time to do a better encode on everything!
As I said, the only reason I uploaded it here before a better version was ready is because the old thread got resurrected.
The good news is the better copy will get done sooner now as someone else is taking it off my hands.
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]last-horizon 42265 wrote:[/b]
Dear David,
This is very cool. HUGE thanks!
Has the original taper disclose the story behind IILWMC being cut? Battery or tape switch perhaps?
It's curious that a excerpt of it appears on the video recordings but were cut off the audio bootlegs.
I have created a merged definitive audio version myself including that one but I doubt that it will beat Kurgan or Bob versions.[/QUOTE]
Quite simply he got caught!
I faded the show out literally a frame before the camera goes wild with movement and the audio is drowned out by rustling, clicking etc as the camera is hidden and then shut down.
Dear David,
This is very cool. HUGE thanks!
Has the original taper disclose the story behind IILWMC being cut? Battery or tape switch perhaps?
It's curious that a excerpt of it appears on the video recordings but were cut off the audio bootlegs.
I have created a merged definitive audio version myself including that one but I doubt that it will beat Kurgan or Bob versions.[/QUOTE]
Quite simply he got caught!
I faded the show out literally a frame before the camera goes wild with movement and the audio is drowned out by rustling, clicking etc as the camera is hidden and then shut down.
last-horizon 42265
Bob, I will do my best to up a sample of it later today. Lots of things going on but I would love to contribute to this project, althought I am pretty certain that I don't have anything new to bring to the table.
Dave, how frustrating is to know that some little security guy has erased from the future what it could have been a complete video recording of the first ever RT proper solo gig (Gosport 94, a couple of weeks before, had been a festival). Looks like during this concert IILWMC was at a very late stage of the set list just like during the first japanese gig and that later was moved to its average. It's uncertain if Twist & Shout closed the show, too.
Dave, how frustrating is to know that some little security guy has erased from the future what it could have been a complete video recording of the first ever RT proper solo gig (Gosport 94, a couple of weeks before, had been a festival). Looks like during this concert IILWMC was at a very late stage of the set list just like during the first japanese gig and that later was moved to its average. It's uncertain if Twist & Shout closed the show, too.
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]last-horizon 42265 wrote:[/b]
Dave, how frustrating is to know that some little security guy has erased from the future what it could have been a complete video recording of the first ever RT proper solo gig (Gosport 94, a couple of weeks before, had been a festival). .[/QUOTE]
At least we got what we got.
Frustation?
You should try filming a concert where where security are omnipresent and I either daren't film or I have to point and hope for the stage and for it to be in focus.
I've lost so many because of that.
Dave, how frustrating is to know that some little security guy has erased from the future what it could have been a complete video recording of the first ever RT proper solo gig (Gosport 94, a couple of weeks before, had been a festival). .[/QUOTE]
At least we got what we got.
Frustation?
You should try filming a concert where where security are omnipresent and I either daren't film or I have to point and hope for the stage and for it to be in focus.
I've lost so many because of that.