Now we just have to wait for the author of the book and the call for help to show up and have a rant at us... How he was the first to write the book in 1995.
And thus missing the point entirely!
Indeed, the 1995 edition was a great first attempt. The 2005 version was not a good effort. New tools and media and info had become available and this was totally NOT used peoperly.
A 2005 work can NOT be judged by a 1995 standard...
And this is what happens in QPL... People aren't being pushed to deliver the best possible work but a work the way "it jas always been done".
Wake up, things evolve! 2017 is not 2005 and certainly not 1995...
on my way up · Member since
And my message above has the kind of typos you find in Queen booklets and press releases...
cmsdrums · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Amusing.
Just imagine QPL with some of the users on here - we'd get much better releases![/QUOTE]
I've made proposals before for QPL to pull together a 'user group' of some knowledgable fans to have ideas tested/proof read/debated etc before being finalised for release. A group consisting of a few fans with skills such as musicians, graphic designers, proof readers, etc... can only improve the final release (for example the glaring mistakes in The Lot).
Films have test audiences before release to gauge the audience reaction and they often amend the film based on the response, and all manner of things such as foods, washing powders etc... have user groups to test products before release, so why not music releases?
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Amusing.
Just imagine QPL with some of the users on here - we'd get much better releases![/QUOTE]
I've made proposals before for QPL to pull together a 'user group' of some knowledgable fans to have ideas tested/proof read/debated etc before being finalised for release. A group consisting of a few fans with skills such as musicians, graphic designers, proof readers, etc... can only improve the final release (for example the glaring mistakes in The Lot).
Films have test audiences before release to gauge the audience reaction and they often amend the film based on the response, and all manner of things such as foods, washing powders etc... have user groups to test products before release, so why not music releases?[/QUOTE]
"Costs more money"
... Freddie's implicit approval of mediocre work ...
musicland munich · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
...Films have test audiences before release to gauge the audience reaction and they often amend the film based on the response, and all manner of things such as foods, washing powders etc... have user groups to test products before release, so why not music releases?[/QUOTE]
"Costs more money"
... Freddie's implicit approval of mediocre work ...[/QUOTE]
For the sake of a decent product AND the complete humiliation of QP`s employees...they can have my proof reading for free LOL !!!
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
I'm pretty close to walking away from Queen altogether. I still like the music, I still enjoy the old albums, but I don't like the business they've become, I don't like the people they employ (Greg Brooks in the lead) and I don't like the people Brian May and Roger Taylor have become. I think that John Deacon made the right decision to back away from all this years ago. I think there's a good chance that the BBC 2cd is the last product of theirs I will ever purchase.
Queen Productions has lost me. I hope they lose many more and go bust. Then maybe, just maybe, in the future, someone can pick up the pieces and turn the legacy of a great band into something that does them more justice.
Of course, QP doesn't care. They never did care. So long as there are people who will buy the next re-re-release of Greatest Hits, or repackaged compressed versions of the same old albums, or Live At Wembley with an additional 23 seconds of audience shots, they're satisfied.
I thought I had got them all wrong when they put out the Rainbow Box. Now it seems that was a fluke. They somehow let a great product slip through the fine mesh they have designed to prevent anything halfway decent from getting released. They will of course make sure it doesn't happen again. We apologize for the convenience.
Sebastian · Member since
Rainbow was indeed great. Not only their best release since 'Made in Heaven' but possibly their best release since 'A Day at the Races.'
Togg · Member since
I have to say the Rainbow release was excellent, and it's a shame they didn't continue down that route, I think most of the issues stem from Jim Beach, he seems very removed from what fans actually want and focused on purely cashing in as much as possible, which given he is basically the soul business mind behind the group is not surprising.
I still have a lot of respect for the band and what they have done and still do, not all of it but probably more than many here, i've been a fan so long and frankly I've seen all these conversations so many times, dating back to when Live Killers came out.... so forgive me if I yawn at it all, when Jazz came out people started shouting they'd sold out so I've heard it before and by the time Live Killers was with us there was a die hard group of fans that moaned about everything bacause they wanted ANATO over and over...
However I am with you about the constant greatest hits kind of release, I just ignore it and it goes away, I love the live stuff, I'm very happy to see them still playing together and frankly I dont give a shit who they play with so long as I can see and hear that guitar and those drums, that's all I focus on.
And don't even get me started about what happend when Hot Space came out......
Rick · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
I'm pretty close to walking away from Queen altogether. I still like the music, I still enjoy the old albums, but I don't like the business they've become, I don't like the people they employ (Greg Brooks in the lead) and I don't like the people Brian May and Roger Taylor have become. I think that John Deacon made the right decision to back away from all this years ago. I think there's a good chance that the BBC 2cd is the last product of theirs I will ever purchase.
Queen Productions has lost me. I hope they lose many more and go bust. Then maybe, just maybe, in the future, someone can pick up the pieces and turn the legacy of a great band into something that does them more justice.
Of course, QP doesn't care. They never did care. So long as there are people who will buy the next re-re-release of Greatest Hits, or repackaged compressed versions of the same old albums, or Live At Wembley with an additional 23 seconds of audience shots, they're satisfied.
I thought I had got them all wrong when they put out the Rainbow Box. Now it seems that was a fluke. They somehow let a great product slip through the fine mesh they have designed to prevent anything halfway decent from getting released. They will of course make sure it doesn't happen again. We apologize for the convenience.[/QUOTE]
Well put.
RS_Protos · Member since
Agree 100 percent!
I'm at the same stage myself.
Negative Creep · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I have to say the Rainbow release was excellent, and it's a shame they didn't continue down that route, I think most of the issues stem from Jim Beach, he seems very removed from what fans actually want and focused on purely cashing in as much as possible, which given he is basically the soul business mind behind the group is not surprising.
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I don't know how true that is. Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen. I'm more willing to believe that it is Brian and to lesser extent Roger. Brian, in that he sees himself as being a perfectionist, and Roger in that he just sees anything that goes out as being something that can be bootlegged/counterfeited. The main problem is that Brian still bizarrely thinks of Queen as an ongoing project, not something that ended in 1991 with a posthumous album and single. It's their material, but it's kind of sad they have an archive of hours and hours of unreleased music and there's plenty in there that would be amazing. Then there's the live stuff...!
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]
Brian, in that he sees himself as being a perfectionist
[/QUOTE]
Only when it fits him... a perfectionist wouldn't have allowed the archivist to release stuff with so many glaring errors; a perfectionist wouldn't have allowed the recent Kerry album to have such a hideous cover; a percetionist wouldn't have greenlit the appalling lack of proof-reading and copy-editing on a number of products.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]
Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because Freddie wasn't around to say no?
john bodega · Member since
I can't be sodded spending any more money on Queen, I liked the Rainbow stuff in theory but the older it gets, the worse the vocal processing sounds. Some songs I have to turn off mid-sentence before they give me a thrombo.
Togg · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
I have to say the Rainbow release was excellent, and it's a shame they didn't continue down that route, I think most of the issues stem from Jim Beach, he seems very removed from what fans actually want and focused on purely cashing in as much as possible, which given he is basically the soul business mind behind the group is not surprising.
[/QUOTE]
I don't know how true that is. Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen. I'm more willing to believe that it is Brian and to lesser extent Roger. Brian, in that he sees himself as being a perfectionist, and Roger in that he just sees anything that goes out as being something that can be bootlegged/counterfeited. The main problem is that Brian still bizarrely thinks of Queen as an ongoing project, not something that ended in 1991 with a posthumous album and single. It's their material, but it's kind of sad they have an archive of hours and hours of unreleased music and there's plenty in there that would be amazing. Then there's the live stuff...!
[/QUOTE]
Years ago I was in London, and I walked round a corner only to be faced with Roger and friend heading towards the WWRY show, I tried to catch them up and speak to Roger but not wishing to but-in to his conversation waited until there was a natural break, during that time he was royally slagging off Jim for not allowing 'something' to go ahead and he seemed very agreeved that he hadn't been consulted, anyway that being said I've always felt that Jim held much of the power, even Greg has commented from time to time that Jim is the one to get past, but certainly if Brian or Roger has a dislike for something it's not happening. Considering Queen have been playing live and running as a working band longer now without Freddie than with I'd say Brian was right to consider it an ongoing project, just because you don't like the idea they carried on doesnt mean it officially stopped when Freddie died... the only people that can call that are to two remaining members, Deep Purple is still going, Pink Floyd were still going until very 2005, Genesis were still going until 2008, ACDC, The Who, The Rolling Stones... etc etc It's a band if someone leaves it doesn't mean the band ends...
