Adam Baboolal
Surely, in 2017, you'd both realise there are no tapes to compile. Truth is, they compiled those tapes to digital many years ago.
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Sebastian
One of the best threads ever.
Chopin1995
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
One of the best threads ever.[/QUOTE]
True! A few weeks ago I went through it all and copied interesting stuff to my notebook. But one question comes to mind.
Quote - 'Innuendo started as the first track in early november 1989.'
So what they were doing between March and October 1989 if Innuendo was the first track started in November? All sources say that Innuendo sessions started in March. Of course they still worked on The Miracle (shooting videos, interviews...) so they didn't have that much time? Just jam sessions?
One of the best threads ever.[/QUOTE]
True! A few weeks ago I went through it all and copied interesting stuff to my notebook. But one question comes to mind.
Quote - 'Innuendo started as the first track in early november 1989.'
So what they were doing between March and October 1989 if Innuendo was the first track started in November? All sources say that Innuendo sessions started in March. Of course they still worked on The Miracle (shooting videos, interviews...) so they didn't have that much time? Just jam sessions?
Togg
Maybe Innuendo will get the 30 year treatment?
mrsparkle
let's just hope they don't wait for the 40th anniversary!
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Chopin1995 wrote:[/b]
All sources say that Innuendo sessions started in March.
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A letter from Frederick to the fan club in late 1989 mention they'd start the sessions off in November.
The album, at least my copy, hasn't got any months on the liner notes.
All sources claiming March are on-line and they may have copied from each other... I read somewhere that (perhaps 'As It Began'?) cited 'Delilah' as having been demo'd in March, which would be the reason why at least one site jotted that down as the starting date and everybody else copied... but, if we're allowing that, then the actual starting date should be around 1987, as that's when 'All God's People' was started off.
All sources say that Innuendo sessions started in March.
[/QUOTE]
A letter from Frederick to the fan club in late 1989 mention they'd start the sessions off in November.
The album, at least my copy, hasn't got any months on the liner notes.
All sources claiming March are on-line and they may have copied from each other... I read somewhere that (perhaps 'As It Began'?) cited 'Delilah' as having been demo'd in March, which would be the reason why at least one site jotted that down as the starting date and everybody else copied... but, if we're allowing that, then the actual starting date should be around 1987, as that's when 'All God's People' was started off.
cmi
Seb, do you think All God's People started around 1987 as a band?
I thought a demo was recorded by FM and Mike Moran in 1987 during (pre-)Barcelona sessions, but the band recorded a proper 'new' version from scratch in 1988 during 'The Miracle' sessions, which was completed during 'Innuendo' sessions in 1990.
I thought a demo was recorded by FM and Mike Moran in 1987 during (pre-)Barcelona sessions, but the band recorded a proper 'new' version from scratch in 1988 during 'The Miracle' sessions, which was completed during 'Innuendo' sessions in 1990.
Chopin1995
Thanks Seb for the explanation!
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]cmi wrote:[/b]
Seb, do you think All God's People started around 1987 as a band?
I thought a demo was recorded by FM and Mike Moran in 1987 during (pre-)Barcelona sessions, but the band recorded a proper 'new' version from scratch in 1988 during 'The Miracle' sessions, which was completed during 'Innuendo' sessions in 1990.[/QUOTE]
Even if that'd been the case, the alleged March demo of 'Delilah' wasn't necessarily a band thing either... so, if that counts as the start of the sessions, then the very first demo of 'All God's People' should also qualify.
Still... as far as it's been reported, it was meant to be a solo thing but even at early stages Frederick was adamant Brian guested on it. Does it count as a band thing then? Keep in mind 'Fight from the Inside', 'Is this the World We Created', 'Procession', 'God Save the Queen' and a few others also featured just two band members.
And then gradually John and Roger also got involved and it became a Queen thing.
In any case, all of those dates precede Spring 1989. If we're counting 'Delilah', we should count that one too. And if we're not counting 'All God's People', then early demos of 'Delilah' shouldn't count either and November 1989 is an accurate date for the beginning of the proper sessions (just like August 1975 can be counted as the beginning of the proper 'Opera' sessions, even though they later rescued an October 1974 rendition of the National Anthem and put it at the end of the record).
Seb, do you think All God's People started around 1987 as a band?
I thought a demo was recorded by FM and Mike Moran in 1987 during (pre-)Barcelona sessions, but the band recorded a proper 'new' version from scratch in 1988 during 'The Miracle' sessions, which was completed during 'Innuendo' sessions in 1990.[/QUOTE]
Even if that'd been the case, the alleged March demo of 'Delilah' wasn't necessarily a band thing either... so, if that counts as the start of the sessions, then the very first demo of 'All God's People' should also qualify.
Still... as far as it's been reported, it was meant to be a solo thing but even at early stages Frederick was adamant Brian guested on it. Does it count as a band thing then? Keep in mind 'Fight from the Inside', 'Is this the World We Created', 'Procession', 'God Save the Queen' and a few others also featured just two band members.
And then gradually John and Roger also got involved and it became a Queen thing.
In any case, all of those dates precede Spring 1989. If we're counting 'Delilah', we should count that one too. And if we're not counting 'All God's People', then early demos of 'Delilah' shouldn't count either and November 1989 is an accurate date for the beginning of the proper sessions (just like August 1975 can be counted as the beginning of the proper 'Opera' sessions, even though they later rescued an October 1974 rendition of the National Anthem and put it at the end of the record).
cmsdrums
And should we count Queen II work as commencing as 1966/67 because Brian wrote ‘White Queen’ then, and News of the World as 1974 ish due to Roger demoing Sheer Heart Attack then?!?
Golden Salmon
Weren't there some earlier versions of All God's People by Freddie, titled "Creatures of the Night" or "Africa"? I read something long ago, perhaps I'm mixing things up.
Also, there's an Italian fan convention short recording of a 1989 Innuendo demo, which sounded very similar to the final version although Freddie's vocals are noticeably rougher.
Also, there's an Italian fan convention short recording of a 1989 Innuendo demo, which sounded very similar to the final version although Freddie's vocals are noticeably rougher.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
And should we count Queen II work as commencing as 1966/67 because Brian wrote ‘White Queen’ then[/QUOTE]
Actually, he wrote it (lyrics at least) in 1969, but there's no evidence of him recording any bit of it then. The difference with 'Delilah', 'All God's People' and 'God Save the Queen' is that what they committed to tape long before the sessions proper wound up on the final cut. Same for loads of things pre-1991 which were included on the posthumous album.
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
and News of the World as 1974 ish due to Roger demoing Sheer Heart Attack then?!?[/QUOTE]
If any bits that he did in 1974 ended up in 1977, then it's the same case as 'Delilah' and 'All God's People' ... and 'God Save the Queen'.
[QUOTE] [b]Golden Salmon wrote:[/b]
Weren't there some earlier versions of All God's People by Freddie, titled "Creatures of the Night" or "Africa"?
[/QUOTE]
As far as I know:
- 'Creatures of the Night' is a Kiss song.
- 'Music of the Night' is a Phantom of the Opera song.
- 'Africa by Night' is a rumoured title for 'All God's People'.
Regarding 'Creatures of the Night': No evidence whatsoever of Frederick being involved with it at all.
Regarding 'Music of the Night': There's that (possibly apocryphal) story of Frederick having been considered for that musical, and there's also the rumour of him having rehearsed it on piano at some point. Totally unrelated to 'All God's People'.
Regarding 'Africa by Night': There's no official statement ever mentioning that title. When Mr Moran talked about it, no working titles were mentioned.
And should we count Queen II work as commencing as 1966/67 because Brian wrote ‘White Queen’ then[/QUOTE]
Actually, he wrote it (lyrics at least) in 1969, but there's no evidence of him recording any bit of it then. The difference with 'Delilah', 'All God's People' and 'God Save the Queen' is that what they committed to tape long before the sessions proper wound up on the final cut. Same for loads of things pre-1991 which were included on the posthumous album.
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
and News of the World as 1974 ish due to Roger demoing Sheer Heart Attack then?!?[/QUOTE]
If any bits that he did in 1974 ended up in 1977, then it's the same case as 'Delilah' and 'All God's People' ... and 'God Save the Queen'.
[QUOTE] [b]Golden Salmon wrote:[/b]
Weren't there some earlier versions of All God's People by Freddie, titled "Creatures of the Night" or "Africa"?
[/QUOTE]
As far as I know:
- 'Creatures of the Night' is a Kiss song.
- 'Music of the Night' is a Phantom of the Opera song.
- 'Africa by Night' is a rumoured title for 'All God's People'.
Regarding 'Creatures of the Night': No evidence whatsoever of Frederick being involved with it at all.
Regarding 'Music of the Night': There's that (possibly apocryphal) story of Frederick having been considered for that musical, and there's also the rumour of him having rehearsed it on piano at some point. Totally unrelated to 'All God's People'.
Regarding 'Africa by Night': There's no official statement ever mentioning that title. When Mr Moran talked about it, no working titles were mentioned.
Riku M
@sebastian, Africa by night is mentioned in the Freddie solo collection.
Sebastian
Thanks. I stand corrected then: it's got an official mention, but no mention by live witnesses.
ggo1
I think there is a difference between reworking an old demo versus, here is a new song for our next album. For me they start work on the next album once they start writing new songs with the intention of putting it on the next album. So all gods people wasn't written with the intention of putting it in what was to become innuendo, so I don't think you cam say that work started on Innuendo when they made the first demo of it. Just my opinion . Anything they demoed after The Miracle was locked would possibly be considered the start of work on that album. Of course they also worked on some Miracle b sides around then too, so who knows?