At least this QueenZone poster has no homophobia :
"Lambert is a star of gay scene not rock star. "
someonewholikesadam
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Iron Butterfly
I'm getting a migraine so I will be quick. And I hope I make sense.
I am not getting into what is considered homophobia to AL fans or not. I've lived through homophobia, it was horrible. I'd rather be called a c**t any day than some of what I've been called and gone through. I think homophobia is too easily tossed around where AL is concerned. To shout about homophobia as to why AL isn't selling, as popular as some other artists well, I think that's bullcrap to be blunt.
I'm not going to answer why someone else thinks and feel the need and want to put out there that AL is a c**t. That's for that person to explain...or not. Would anyone be offended if a poster said Kylie M, Cher, Madonna, Diana Ross were/are stars of the gay pop scene? Genuine question.
I am not getting into what is considered homophobia to AL fans or not. I've lived through homophobia, it was horrible. I'd rather be called a c**t any day than some of what I've been called and gone through. I think homophobia is too easily tossed around where AL is concerned. To shout about homophobia as to why AL isn't selling, as popular as some other artists well, I think that's bullcrap to be blunt.
I'm not going to answer why someone else thinks and feel the need and want to put out there that AL is a c**t. That's for that person to explain...or not. Would anyone be offended if a poster said Kylie M, Cher, Madonna, Diana Ross were/are stars of the gay pop scene? Genuine question.
Liliane
Bullet with Butterfly Wings: do you honestly believe that Adam Lambert has not been held back at all in some way by homophobia? I do not believe that homophobia is the only reason why Adam has not been more successful but it definitely did play a part. You only need to look at some of the hateful comments made about Adam on the Internet to see that some people do really dislike him just because he is gay and "dares to shove his gayness down their throats." Some of the comments posted by someonewholikesadam are very good examples.
http://youtu.be/qcZn72qXFZA
http://youtu.be/qcZn72qXFZA
Iron Butterfly
Ok where is the proof he has been held back? I've read that countless times in the past few years, and no one could back it up. So, no, I don't believe it with no proof. Where is the proof of it? Genuinely would like to know about it?
Sorry, I won't click on your link, migraine at the moment and not up to watching videos right now. I will check it when I can, but what is the video about? What should I be looking for?
Sorry, I won't click on your link, migraine at the moment and not up to watching videos right now. I will check it when I can, but what is the video about? What should I be looking for?
someonewholikesadam
Bullet, I am not claiming that Adam has been held back by homophobia. Although I do believe that what he did on the AMAs pissed off a lot of execs and that did hold him back in a big way. I am only posting these comments to demonstrate why I feel the constant need to defend Adam on QueenZone and to bolster my comment that many on QueenZone are mean, miserable and hateful.
LOTV
As usual any kind of criticism is jumped on by the apologists and accused of being miserable.
I went with an open mind and I was determined to enjoy it, sadly I just didn't feel it. If you read what I write both above and in other threads I have/had no problem with Adam. Jesus I even state I've enjoyed past gigs. Also, I'm not reviewing in comparison to Freddie I'm taking as I found.
I didn't say it wasn't entertaining, of sorts, it's just not rock n roll anymore. BWBW to answer your question they played OK, but not particularly fast and Roger's drumming is pretty plodding now. If you like musical theater - fine, I'm sure you had a great night singing along to the safe set list and rehearsed posturing.
The atmosphere pre gig summed it up - like going to the theater but with less buzz. Queen are old and boring now. Time to quit. I'm glad I saw this version when they were really good in Chicago and Nottingham.
I went with an open mind and I was determined to enjoy it, sadly I just didn't feel it. If you read what I write both above and in other threads I have/had no problem with Adam. Jesus I even state I've enjoyed past gigs. Also, I'm not reviewing in comparison to Freddie I'm taking as I found.
I didn't say it wasn't entertaining, of sorts, it's just not rock n roll anymore. BWBW to answer your question they played OK, but not particularly fast and Roger's drumming is pretty plodding now. If you like musical theater - fine, I'm sure you had a great night singing along to the safe set list and rehearsed posturing.
The atmosphere pre gig summed it up - like going to the theater but with less buzz. Queen are old and boring now. Time to quit. I'm glad I saw this version when they were really good in Chicago and Nottingham.
Iron Butterfly
AL doesn't need defending, he doesn't give TwoFux. Before, during and even now some of his fans feel the need and want to defend him at the drop of a hat. The Glamberts that do that are not helpful, especially when there is nothing to back up claims of homophobia for example. I still have no proof whatsoever that homophobia has ever held AL back.
Many on QZ are mean, miserable and hateful you say? What a mind blowing, sweeping statement. Is it law or Glambert code that one must fawn, agree with everything to do with AL? Because it sure seems that way to me. What are you hoping to do by defending AL? That people end up 'supporting' him so much that he can do no wrong? That people are supposed to believe claims of homophobia and feel sorry for AL? Simply put, it's not helping him. If I were him, I'd be very ashamed and embarrassed to have fans that cry foul if someone dares post opposing views of AL. I've been the best of some Glamberts since Q+AL started, but I've seen the worst too. Those who think it's fate that Freddie died, and along came AL to step in his shoes to give life to Brian and Roger, the claims of hate and homophobia nare among the worst.
Many on QZ are mean, miserable and hateful you say? What a mind blowing, sweeping statement. Is it law or Glambert code that one must fawn, agree with everything to do with AL? Because it sure seems that way to me. What are you hoping to do by defending AL? That people end up 'supporting' him so much that he can do no wrong? That people are supposed to believe claims of homophobia and feel sorry for AL? Simply put, it's not helping him. If I were him, I'd be very ashamed and embarrassed to have fans that cry foul if someone dares post opposing views of AL. I've been the best of some Glamberts since Q+AL started, but I've seen the worst too. Those who think it's fate that Freddie died, and along came AL to step in his shoes to give life to Brian and Roger, the claims of hate and homophobia nare among the worst.
Liliane
LOTV, as a Glambert, I actually have no problem with your post at all. At least you gave them a chance and went to see them before forming an opinion. In my book, if you've seen them, then your opinion is valid even if I might disagree with you.
I have always lurked for a while in this forum but have never posted until now. I lurk because I am interested to know what non-Adam fans think about the QAL concerts. I love QAL and have seen them 6 times. The music of Queen is just iconic and QAL is awesome live. But I do agree with all of you who are hardcore Queen fans that the set list could be better. I was also very disappointed to see them drop IL and SYW even though I have followed QAL only since 2014. I could imagine how you must all feel about the set list...
I have always lurked for a while in this forum but have never posted until now. I lurk because I am interested to know what non-Adam fans think about the QAL concerts. I love QAL and have seen them 6 times. The music of Queen is just iconic and QAL is awesome live. But I do agree with all of you who are hardcore Queen fans that the set list could be better. I was also very disappointed to see them drop IL and SYW even though I have followed QAL only since 2014. I could imagine how you must all feel about the set list...
Liliane
Bullet with Butterfly Wings: I see you often tend to generalize about Glamberts, that we all think Adam is perfect, that we always feel the need to defend him...Glamberts are individuals as well, you know? We also so have the right to an opinion don't we? Just like you have yours? I personally do not think Adam is perfect at all, he is human after all. I can understand that he is not everyone's cup of tea and there is nothing wrong with that. I just want to discuss freely without being accused at every turn that I am defending him...Anyway, the video I linked is an interview of Adam after the debacle of the AMAs. Adam did some suggestive moves and kissed his male bassist on stage. As a result he was uninvited by ABC to some of the promotional events that he had lined up on their channel. If you look at the video, it was clear enough that homophobia was on full display. CBS who did the interview showed Madonna and Britney kissing but blurred the kiss between Adam and his bassist. You asked for proof so I put the link. You could also see the attitude of the interviewer who basically wanted to force an apology from Adam for daring to kiss a guy on stage and offending his young fans and their parents.. If that is not homophobic to you, then I have no idea what you think constitutes homophobia. Over the years, I have heard that some fans heard radio djs mention that they would not play music by that f**...and the list goes on. In fact, if you read interviews by fellow gay artists such as Darren Hayes from Savage Garden, Lance Bass from N'Sync, Justin Tranter...they all said that the music industry is very homophobic and pretty much all said that Adam would have done better if he was not gay...Here are some links if you are interested. Sorry for being off topic, since homophobia was discussed so just thought I'd participate in the discussion. I am not saying that homophobia is the only reason Adam is not successful, but it is definitely a factor. There are a lot going behind the scenes in the music industry that we don't know about, only the people in the industry itself would really know what is going on...
http://www.newnownext.com/singer-songwriter-justin-tranter-talks-about-the-queer-meaning-behind-selena-gomezs-good-for-you/12/2015/
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/pride/7834056/savage-garden-darren-hayes-coming-out-reactions-interview
http://www.ontopmag.com/article/23460/Lance_Bass_Adam_Lambert_Not_Being_Pushed_By_Record_Label_Because_Hes_Gay
http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/catt_gravitt/
http://www.newnownext.com/singer-songwriter-justin-tranter-talks-about-the-queer-meaning-behind-selena-gomezs-good-for-you/12/2015/
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/pride/7834056/savage-garden-darren-hayes-coming-out-reactions-interview
http://www.ontopmag.com/article/23460/Lance_Bass_Adam_Lambert_Not_Being_Pushed_By_Record_Label_Because_Hes_Gay
http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/catt_gravitt/
Iron Butterfly
Nah, not you, Lillane, I didn't mean to lump you in with the defense at the ready.You have been pretty interesting to talk with over on QOL. Like I say, I've seen the best and worst of some Glamberts through the years, I've been a part of such discussions since Q+AL started and have been almost ever since.
Speaking of which, I think those articles have been posted over on QOL before by someone, so I won't bother clicking on those again. But it's been said AL has had no airplay since he came out publicly which I know is wrong. I listen to online radio often, and indeed his music has been played and shown since then. GT was played locally here. ET Canada clearly supports AL, I've seen reports about him often in the past few years. That's two examples. I don't know what his next solo music will bring, but i hope claims of homophobia will have nothing to do with it. IMO, he needs stronger songs and production, time will tell if it will be included.
Speaking of which, I think those articles have been posted over on QOL before by someone, so I won't bother clicking on those again. But it's been said AL has had no airplay since he came out publicly which I know is wrong. I listen to online radio often, and indeed his music has been played and shown since then. GT was played locally here. ET Canada clearly supports AL, I've seen reports about him often in the past few years. That's two examples. I don't know what his next solo music will bring, but i hope claims of homophobia will have nothing to do with it. IMO, he needs stronger songs and production, time will tell if it will be included.
Iron Butterfly
Nah, not you, Lillane, I didn't mean to lump you in with the defense at the ready.You have been pretty interesting to talk with over on QOL. Like I say, I've seen the best and worst of some Glamberts through the years, I've been a part of such discussions since Q+AL started and have been almost ever since.
Speaking of which, I think those articles have been posted over on QOL before by someone, so I won't bother clicking on those again. But it's been said AL has had no airplay since he came out publicly which I know is wrong. I listen to online radio often, and indeed his music has been played and shown since then. GT was played locally here. ET Canada clearly supports AL, I've seen reports about him often in the past few years. That's two examples. I don't know what his next solo music will bring, but i hope claims of homophobia will have nothing to do with it. IMO, he needs stronger songs and production, time will tell if it will be included.
Speaking of which, I think those articles have been posted over on QOL before by someone, so I won't bother clicking on those again. But it's been said AL has had no airplay since he came out publicly which I know is wrong. I listen to online radio often, and indeed his music has been played and shown since then. GT was played locally here. ET Canada clearly supports AL, I've seen reports about him often in the past few years. That's two examples. I don't know what his next solo music will bring, but i hope claims of homophobia will have nothing to do with it. IMO, he needs stronger songs and production, time will tell if it will be included.
Mave
@LOTV - I think your opinion is 1 of every 1000 that visits the current tour, judging by the hugely positive press and other visitors.
If you visit more than once you will obviously notice things that are "studied" - but I noticed the same in 1986 when I saw them play 5 times. The shows were exactly the same - you'd know exactly where Freddie would be at certain moments, when he would throw his drink, when he would speak, when Brian would speak etc...like theater :-)
If you visit more than once you will obviously notice things that are "studied" - but I noticed the same in 1986 when I saw them play 5 times. The shows were exactly the same - you'd know exactly where Freddie would be at certain moments, when he would throw his drink, when he would speak, when Brian would speak etc...like theater :-)
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]Mave wrote:[/b]
@LOTV - I think your opinion is 1 of every 1000 that visits the current tour, judging by the hugely positive press and other visitors.
If you visit more than once you will obviously notice things that are "studied" - but I noticed the same in 1986 when I saw them play 5 times. The shows were exactly the same - you'd know exactly where Freddie would be at certain moments, when he would throw his drink, when he would speak, when Brian would speak etc...like theater :-)[/QUOTE]
Yes indeed. As i, and others, have said Queen have done this since the 70's. Brian's line "we were gonna do this with the London Philharmonic but they didn't turn up" used at Hyde Park did a whole world tour.
People on here need to lose the dislike for Lambert and the band they claim to be fans of, or think before they spout their crap.
@LOTV - I think your opinion is 1 of every 1000 that visits the current tour, judging by the hugely positive press and other visitors.
If you visit more than once you will obviously notice things that are "studied" - but I noticed the same in 1986 when I saw them play 5 times. The shows were exactly the same - you'd know exactly where Freddie would be at certain moments, when he would throw his drink, when he would speak, when Brian would speak etc...like theater :-)[/QUOTE]
Yes indeed. As i, and others, have said Queen have done this since the 70's. Brian's line "we were gonna do this with the London Philharmonic but they didn't turn up" used at Hyde Park did a whole world tour.
People on here need to lose the dislike for Lambert and the band they claim to be fans of, or think before they spout their crap.
LOTV
It's getting embarrassing watching them shamefully punt NOTW anniversary for commercial gain when they couldn't be arsed playing the thing.
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]LOTV wrote:[/b]
It's getting embarrassing watching them shamefully punt NOTW anniversary for commercial gain when they couldn't be arsed playing the thing.
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I was one of those who was of the opinion that they really missed an opportunity to play a very different setlist on this tour. I felt that the imagery was slightly at odds with the largely greatest hits package, but if you read Brian's recent comments on the sudject it becomes much clearer where the band are, and where most of the ticket buying tans are too.
Understanding and agreeing are two different things but, being hostile towards something that doesn't agree with your thoughts or beliefs is why the world is so fucked up today.
It's getting embarrassing watching them shamefully punt NOTW anniversary for commercial gain when they couldn't be arsed playing the thing.
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I was one of those who was of the opinion that they really missed an opportunity to play a very different setlist on this tour. I felt that the imagery was slightly at odds with the largely greatest hits package, but if you read Brian's recent comments on the sudject it becomes much clearer where the band are, and where most of the ticket buying tans are too.
Understanding and agreeing are two different things but, being hostile towards something that doesn't agree with your thoughts or beliefs is why the world is so fucked up today.