the next year in 1976 he decided to call one of Abba's songs after Rhapsody by naming it "Mamma Mia" from the opera section of Rhapsody !
He did later admit he had nicked those words from Rhapsody lol[/QUOTE]
Fake news!
The coincidence was just that: coincidence, and he said so. 'Mamma Mia' was written, recorded and released before 'Bo Rhap'.
mvdk · Member since
I honestly think it's a bit silly to say something about the quality of the music when comparing Queen and Abba. They were making different music for a different audience. It's like comparing Bach with Debussy. It's different in it's style and that doesn't necessarily mean that one is better than the other.
Personally I think there is quality in both of them. When you listen to the less familiar songs from Abba, there are some real pearls to discover. And isn't that the same with Queen, take for instance 'Jealousy' or 'Doing All Right'?
When you listen to 'I Let The Music Speak', 'The King Has Lost His Crown' or 'I'm A Marionette' I think there is undeniable quality in it. Whether you appreciate that quality or not, that's another question...
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
Fake news![/QUOTE]
I actually enjoy seeing you say this.
With most people it's annoying, as it's usually a showing of cognitive dissonance from those can't deal with new information that conflicts with their beliefs.
But with you it's pretty perfect.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
Well its gonna end soon and either Vocal Harmony will get banned from this site or Vocal Harmony needs to grow some and man up and be a lot more mature or get off this site and use facebook.[/QUOTE]
Ha, nice try.
The person you're attempting to tarnish is one of the most respected members of this forum (and likely several decades older and wiser than you). He worked for the band, and is thus one of the most knowledgeable people here.
Star* · Member since
Real Wizard : if VH worked for the band then shame on him for slagging Freddies solo work and saying Lambert is better.
Us fans know the music is great where Freddie is concerned.
He is NOT a real ardent Queen fan he only worked for the band and one of Freddies slaves.
The Fairy King · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]mvdk wrote:[/b]
..... It's like comparing Bach with Debussy. .[/QUOTE]
Always finish on the Bach....never on Debussy...
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
if VH worked for the band then shame on him for slagging Freddies solo work and saying Lambert is better.
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Assuming VH did that (I'm sceptical of your claims since you lied about 'Mamma Mia'), so what? Having worked for somebody doesn't preclude having your own opinion. Loads of people think Frederick's solo work was lacklustre and mediocre, considering he was such a talented composer who not only could do better, but habitually did.
Same for people allegedly claiming Adam is better: they're entitled to that view (or any other). You may agree or disagree, and that's absolutely fine, but that's not by any means an indicator of personal qualities or lack thereof.
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
Us fans know the music is great where Freddie is concerned.
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Oh, the true Scotsman fallacy... there's a difference between being a fan and being deluded into thinking everything he did was pure gold. It wasn't.
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
He is NOT a real ardent Queen fan
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If being 'a real ardent Queen fan' implies giving up critical thinking, then it's quite a compliment not to be one.
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
he only worked for the band and one of Freddies slaves.
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So nice of you to bring slavery, as if that in any way validated your personal attacks. Between this and the 'Mamma Mia' lies, you don't seem to have too much credibility, do you?
mike hunt · Member since
I agree! Freddie is my favorite entertainer/Musician, I'll stick up for him if I feel someone is overly harsh just for the sake of it, but there is plenty of songs and a few albums I don't like. What was he thinking? Those type of songs...In fairness to Happystar, he clearly doesn't like everything Freddie did. He stated he doesn't like Innuendo or Made In Heaven. We also disagreed on Barcelona...I think It's one of his best work, he's not over the moon about it and prefers Hot Space. I think his problem with Vocal Harmony is that VH goes on and on and on and on and on about every Freddie flaw. So I think Happystar is more a proper fan who is not in love with every single thing Fred did. I still remember a member here I think his name is Bob called me a Freddie only fan because I stuck up for Freddie, and didn't like the Queen + thing... Nevermind Brian May is in my top 3 or 4 favorite musicians and own Brian and Roger's solo work. Not very nice Bob! VH is equally Guilty of that nonsense. We don't like Lambert and there is nothing wrong with that...
mike hunt · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
Well its gonna end soon and either Vocal Harmony will get banned from this site or Vocal Harmony needs to grow some and man up and be a lot more mature or get off this site and use facebook.[/QUOTE]
Ha, nice try.
The person you're attempting to tarnish is one of the most respected members of this forum (and likely several decades older and wiser than you). He worked for the band, and is thus one of the most knowledgeable people here.
[/QUOTE]
Not sure why VH opinion is more valid than Happystar....Who cares if he worked for them....for all we know he might be working for Brian now telling him too tell everyone how great Adam is and he's God's gift to the human Race. It wouldn't shock me....I love the old Brian, not the version that say's all nonsense like Paul was Freddie's favorite singer Just to promote the tour or Adam is a gift from God, or he was brought to tears after watching Ramek performance of Freddie. Even if those Joyful tears were really tears of horror.
Star* · Member since
Mike: Yeah we all know Brian is a very good liar and knows how to get a reaction to the things he wants to sell or promote.
You are 100% i am a passionate Queen fan and have been from 1974 and my comments reflect everything i have experienced from the moment i heard them in october 1974. But i am not so stupid like many to accept Lambert just because Brian says "Freddie would have loved him" or "He is the best thing to have happened to Queen since 1991" No i do not thing you can create magic by picking someone out on a tv show, i think these days a lot of hype and media makes the public think they are special when in essence they are not. Lambert is no where skilled on stage as Freddie was and it clearly shows. I do not give a fig if Vocal Harmony worked for the band but hey if i had said that he would be the first to say "wheres the proof" "source"? A lot of sarcastic nymphs on here who in my opinion did not appreciate Freddie, instead they take the piss by making jokes of his teeth, and they think that is acceptable, well its cruel and disgusting. True meaning of the word Queen fan is to cherish and love who they were and enjoy the music from back then. No matter what anyone says on here the true essence of Queen was and always will be 1971 - 1991. Without Freddie & John (magical ingredients) Queen have no appeal to me as they are washed up.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
Mike: Yeah we all know Brian is a very good liar and knows how to get a reaction to the things he wants to sell or promote.
You are 100% i am a passionate Queen fan and have been from 1974 and my comments reflect everything i have experienced from the moment i heard them in october 1974. But i am not so stupid like many to accept Lambert just because Brian says "Freddie would have loved him" or "He is the best thing to have happened to Queen since 1991" No i do not thing you can create magic by picking someone out on a tv show, i think these days a lot of hype and media makes the public think they are special when in essence they are not. Lambert is no where skilled on stage as Freddie was and it clearly shows. I do not give a fig if Vocal Harmony worked for the band but hey if i had said that he would be the first to say "wheres the proof" "source"? A lot of sarcastic nymphs on here who in my opinion did not appreciate Freddie, instead they take the piss by making jokes of his teeth, and they think that is acceptable, well its cruel and disgusting. True meaning of the word Queen fan is to cherish and love who they were and enjoy the music from back then. No matter what anyone says on here the true essence of Queen was and always will be 1971 - 1991. Without Freddie & John (magical ingredients) Queen have no appeal to me as they are washed up.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with some of what you said, and I'm a Queen fan since 74 also I think being a fan of Queen means supporting all the members, not just two, so from that perspective I don't agree they are washed up at all, they are out there still doing their thing and making a lot of people very happy. If it wasn't working they wouldn't still be pulling in the fans.
Also the Idol thing doesn't wash, Adam was in no way your typical Idol contestant and should never have had to resort to that to get a break. These shows have changed, they're no longer aimed at your local karaoke singer, a lot of the contestants have been doing music and have even put out albums independently before going on the show, it's just a platform to get seen now.
Just one more thing and I know you can't speak for everyone but why do people just mention Brian in relation to the Queen + thing, like it's only his decision. I notice on facebook and everywhere Roger never gets any flak, just Brian? Just curious.
MisterCosmicc · Member since
ABBA. Can’t stand that music. Their releases are blah. Why did they get huge?
Vocal harmony · Member since
Please allow me to set the record straight.
Despite what some on here have said my views are, I have never claimed Adam Lambert is superior to Freddie.
What I have said (and its there to read if anyone can be bothered to search through the years of argument and debate) is that Lambert appears to be a more consistent live singer than Freddie and seems more able to use the full range of his voice than Freddie was. Whether or not you like the sound or singing style of his voice. It's easy enough to go through the hours of YouTube footage and compare it to audience recordings of the original lineup if you're so enclined. Does this indicate that I think Freddie was bad, no good a second rate singer. . . No it just means I am aware of what were his limitations. When I think back to the 80's I thought Steve Perry of Journey and Ronnie James Dio were more able to deliver a consistently stable vocal live than Freddie, but back then as now Freddie has always been my favourite singer and front man, and on an average night he was better than most and on a good night he was the best. If having an opinion that allows other singers to be compared I'm clearly a mindless heretic!
My view of Mr Bad Guy is that it is not a great album, Freddie left to his own devices was no better than any other member of the band, and obviously needed the artistic conflict with the others to bring the best out of him or someone in the studio with him who could match him for vocal ability and musicianship, hence the Barcelona album is so much better because Freddie was being pushed by the amazing talents of the people he was working with.
Mr Bad Guy, to me sounds like some great song ideas that were never allowed to mature and as such in places sound like very well produced demos for a future Queen album. It amazes me that Freddie, having escaped the confines of being a band member, ended up with largely faceless session musicians playing a watered down version of what I imagine Brian, Roger and John would have ended up playing.
The outcome was not the stunningly amazing album that some expected and the sales certainly didn't reflect what the record company and Freddie had expected and what Freddie's advance needed.
These are my views on those two subjects and to me it's frightening that some (Two or three) on here can conclude from this that I am not a Queen fan,or that I'm a Freddie hater or an Adam Lambert fan. I guess if you have a blanket view that everything involving Freddie is untouchable you'll never see anything for what it really is.
dysan · Member since
BTW - no one on Pointess named Made In Heaven or The Miracle, or Heaven For Everyone. But some names The rolling stones 1989 album Steel Wheels.
Star* · Member since
VH : Lambert been a consistent singer does not necessarily mean he is a better singer than Freddie was.
Do not forget Freddie was more physical on stage than Lambert is and he played the hell out of his piano where as Lambert does not push himself to he limits like Freddie did.
Freddie used to be drenched from head to toe in sweat because he worked his arse off on that stage and you really cannot compare Adam Lambert to Freddie not even in the same sentence.
That is like comparing Madonna to Vera Lynn !
