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Iron Butterfly doesn't understand the subtleties of performing. She thinks GDML is Adam actually trying to be sexy. I guess everything is black and white for her.

Sealion wrote:

Looks are important. As mentioned before, Elvis is a great example. As are many singers in today’s pop business. You can be very successful without being able to sing better than my neighbour. ;-). But if you don’t have the right look, you will probably never get your foot into any music label’s door.

I still remember, when Paul Potts or Susan Boyle came on stage on“Britain got talent“. The jury was mocking them and didn’t take them seriously, before they started singing. They got through by sheer talent. But if they didn’t have that huge stage, where the judges had to listen to the audience‘s cheers, would they have gotten a chance in the music business? Probably not.

It’s different in rock music. I don’t think looks are as important here. I certainly never became a Queen-fan, because I found the band members“cute“. Although I know, that women were especially attracted by Roger back in the days. So maybe I‘m wrong.

It also depends on your first experience with the singer. If you listened to him/her on the radio/record, before you ever saw him/her, their looks might be unimportant. If you see him/her first (or at the same time as he/she is singing), the look is very important.

It’s our human nature:
The sense of sight is our most important sensory organ. We decide, if someone is likable in less than a second. And we can’t control that.

I guess everyone is different then. I can't say I ever judge music based on how cute the band are, there have been odd singers/musicians I've thought were cute but if they aren't talented I would never buy their music or go to a show. A good example is David Essex, thought he was absolutely gorgeous, but voice wise nah. Equally, I wouldn't consider Elton John good looking or sexy, at least to me, but he's hugely successful and still touring even now. One of my favourite bands is Foreigner, I loved Lou's voice but looks wise he wouldn't appeal to me and I wouldn't consider him sexy.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Why are you saying looks are THE most important thing to me? You just want it to be to make your point. You completely ignored my post. And you never answered my question. Would you love Freddie as much if he were fat and ugly? You don't know the answer. And the crawling on the floor is Adam's theatricality, not his sexiness. Obviously you don't know the difference. And part of his sexiness is his intelligence, his wit and his kindness. And his large penis. Threw that last one in to see if you were paying attention.

Yes, I would love Freddie if he was "fat and ugly". Like I said, it's the talent, determination and courage he had that stands out to me the most. DOOL video anyone? About as far away as far as one might get, and guess why it stands out to me so much? The beautiful lyrics, the beautiful vocals and how it all came together, and Freddie's courage it took to do the video.
You are the one explaining about AL's looks. It's obvious it means something to you, and that's a pretty big deal in your being a fan of his. I don't think you would like AL if he were "fat and ugly".

*Waiting for sweetcaroline to come by post links of pics and her posts of how sexy she thinks AL is*

someonewholikesadam wrote:

You mean like Susan Boyle?

I guess she would fit the bill, though I was thinking males, looking at it from the perspective of who I'd find attractive or not.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Iron Butterfly doesn't understand the subtleties of performing. She thinks GDML is Adam actually trying to be sexy. I guess everything is black and white for her.

I understand, thanks. If you actually read what I posted I said that GDML is a sexy song to begin with...and it doesn't need AL crawling around on the floor.

Further to your point IB, I like to be entertained. When I first heard any of Adam's albums, I thought these songs are okay. Some are even pretty darn good. But it's when I see him PERFORM that he takes me to another level. His songs live are ALWAYS better than the album version. I've seen quite a few singers/bands that have excellent musical talent but have almost fallen asleep at their concerts. And, yes, looks are important to me on a certain level. But let's talk about one of my first loves. James Brown. No one could ever consider him good-looking but he was such an AMAZING performer. What catapults Freddie and other great entertainers to stratospheric heights is their ability to PERFORM. That's usually a combination of things but not always all of them. Vocal talent, charisma, dancing, connection with audience, playing an instrument, looks, etc. Maybe looks mean nothing to YOU but you better believe they have a LOT to do with the success of many entertainers.

@rockchick65
Of course (most) human beings are sensible enough to revise the first impression we had of a person. But the first sight can never be wiped out completely.
Another aspect are of course our explanations: When we go to a concert, we‘re usually much more open to like someone, because of his musical talent, stage presence or whatever. When we’re dating, looks are much more important (usually) ;-)

in the end, humans are just shallow. It’s our animalic side: Good looking, strong people are attractive, because they are good breeders. Thankfully tastes differ. But looking at worldwide stars in the music and show business I can’t remember completely unattractive ones.

You're right. I probably wouldn't like Adam as much if he were "fat and ugly." But as I said before, I also wouldn't like him if he were drop-dead gorgeous and talentless. He's the complete package to me. And probably to Sweet Caroline too. And to most of his "older" fans. Nothing wrong with it and certainly nothing pathetic about it (as one poster put it). Human nature.

Sealion wrote:

@rockchick65
Of course (most) human beings are sensible enough to revise the first impression we had of a person. But the first sight can never be wiped out completely.
Another aspect are of course our explanations: When we go to a concert, we‘re usually much more open to like someone, because of his musical talent, stage presence or whatever. When we’re dating, looks are much more important (usually) ;-)

in the end, humans are just shallow. It’s our animalic side: Good looking, strong people are attractive, because they are good breeders. Thankfully tastes differ. But looking at worldwide stars in the music and show business I can’t remember completely unattractive ones.

I would say looks do have some importance in dating etc, at least you have to find the person attractive, good looking isn't the same thing IMO, I can find people attractive for lots of reasons.

It is different with entertainers, after their obvious talent, stage presence and personality matter but looks don't really factor in for me.

Well, Adam certainly isn't good looking in this old fuzzy video. He looks like a young Richard Simmons. But I LOVE this performance. So, if I were to analyze what's attractive to me, it's not so much looks as performance style. Seems my favorite artists have the same theatrical style of performance. James Brown, Madonna, Prince, Adam Lambert, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBlmcak7cuA

someonewholikesadam wrote:

You're right. I probably wouldn't like Adam as much if he were "fat and ugly." But as I said before, I also wouldn't like him if he were drop-dead gorgeous and talentless. He's the complete package to me. And probably to Sweet Caroline too. And to most of his "older" fans. Nothing wrong with it and certainly nothing pathetic about it (as one poster put it). Human nature.

That's too bad that you say you probably wouldn't like AL if he was fat and ugly.
It's just staggering to me that so much emphasis is put on his looks by you. What if he God forbid he was seriously injured? His voice had issues? Would you still like him as much then?

rockchic65 wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Well, Adam certainly isn't good looking in this old fuzzy video. He looks like a young Richard Simmons. But I LOVE this performance. So, if I were to analyze what's attractive to me, it's not so much looks as performance style. Seems my favorite artists have the same theatrical style of performance. James Brown, Madonna, Prince, Adam Lambert, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBlmcak7cuA

Yeah, I can't say I was a fan of his Glam Nation look either, the shaved up one side hair and ten ton of glitter etc but I did love his performance style, and vocally he did some insane stuff on that tour. Adam does have stage presence, no matter what look he's going for.

Iron Butterfly

What are you talking about??? I think you have an iron skull.