Its all commercial crap pretending to show Freddie respect they are coy and just making money. May & Taylor do not give a toss about Mercury as much as Deacon did and it shows otherwise they would have wrapped Queen up and moved on to other things like solo work or even retire. Another tour which will no doubt make them a lot of money and Brian & Roger will talk even more drivel to keep the audiences sweet about Freddie.
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rockchic65 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
rockchic65 wrote:
happystar wrote:
Adam Lambert is just like a little Barbie doll with all the designer handbags and accessories and that is what exactly he has here with the Queen back catalogue, ready made songs to make believe he is an amazing front man, when in essence he is not. He never wrote one note on any of the Queen back catalogue but the way he goes on you would think he did and to me that is the sign of a very arrogant ass hole.
You do talk some rubbish at times, listen to this, he specifically says "I didn't write any of the songs, I didn't record any" - where is that being arrogant or an asshole.
https://youtu.be/tXBABiDPxR0?t=2m13s
Adam is the least arrogant, entitled person out there, he never fails to give Freddie and the band credit, he wanted the footage of Freddie in the show he thought it important for the audience, he calls himself a guest still even though it's been six years since they started working together and if you ever saw them onstage, even though he's essentially the frontman he includes Brian & Roger a lot and acknowledges Spike & Neil in parts, he likes to share the stage, not just keep the focus on him, even in his own shows he was like that with his backing band. You can like him being with them or not, your choice, but you're completely wrong about the way he treats this collaboration.
You say that AL wanted video footage of Freddie, I don't think I've heard about that before. Considering that there is less of Freddie being seen and heard in recent times, was that also AL's idea? Infeel very strongly Freddie should be seen and heard more during the shows, too bad there has been so little of it as time went on.
IMO , a collaboration in this case would be if Q+AL worked together in the studio. So far they havent done that. AL is on stage singing the songs...yes as a guest although I feel even the Freddie speech will be dropped this tour.
It was in a Q+AL interview where it was said Adam wanted Freddie included in the show, he felt it was important to show they were celebrating Freddie and Queen's music. He's still included, just in different ways, they added the Ayo's and dropped the end bit in Bo Rhap. Aside from a couple of people on here no one mentioned them changing Bo Rhap, but then a lot of people only see one show so they wouldn't know it was any different anyway. I don't know if they'll keep the speech or not, I've no reason to think they'll drop it since some version of it has been in the show since the beginning. For me if I want to watch Freddie I can do that at home so I don't personally think they need to put any more in the show, they do enough to show respect, especially the bit with Brian on Love of My Life.
Well, I would hope AL wanted Freddie to be and heard. I'm right with AL there. But to take out the ending of Bohemian Rhapsody, and to have AL sing much of it as possible, I don't think that is the right choice. Bohemian Rhapsody isn't only a classic song for Queen it's a groundbreaking rock song. It does come across as tacky ALmis the one to sing it as much as possible...what would it hurt to keep Freddie's vocals?
A big hole is left without having as much of Freddie and John in these shows. They had so much to do with Queen history after all. Or put it this way, AL wouldn't be where he is without Queen.
It would not hurt anyone to show more of Freddie and John during these shows. It's like AL is wanted to be fit anywhere possible. Who had the idea for that?
rockchic65 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
rockchic65 wrote:
happystar wrote:
Not arrogant eh but he just wont leave Queen will he because he knows he is making money out of a dead mans brilliance and genius. He has no decision in wanting Freddies pictures on stage that is up to Brian & Roger not Adams choice. To me Lambert is still guilt ridden telling the audiences he respects Freddie and he aint trying to be like him etc...... but really he is, just look at the crown he wears, which was invented by Freddie........
You clearly don't get him because you don't want to accept him, there's no arrogance involved in him staying with Queen, why would he leave when the fans are constantly asking them to do more shows. To him it's symbiotic, all parties are benefitting and all parties are having a blast - his words. He's also said that Brian & Roger still want to be out there touring, they've said so numerous times as well, and obviously he enables them to do that. They're like family now, they love playing together, they get on offstage as well as on and anyone who knows anything about him would know he likes to work and hang out with same bunch of people as much as possible. He likes working with the same photographers for photo shoots etc, he just likes the feeling of being comfortable with people he's got to know well. What possible reason amongst all that would he want to leave for?
As to the crown (coronet), it was Brian's idea, kind of calling him the Prince to Freddie's King, to denote Freddie was the original and he's the successor. He does it jokingly, as he does most things, it's just his way, it's not meant to be taken seriously and the audience get it.
The Coronet was Brian's idea? And he kind of did it to call AL the prince to Freddie's king, and Freddie was the original and AL is the successor? Where has Brian said that? I don't recall reading or hearing him state that.
It was at one of the early shows they did and it was discussed somehwere, I can't just remember where now.
I'm torn. Half of me can't believe Brian would come up with something like that, another half me believes he could...most of know he loves Adam. Even so, the Coronet is tacky, even more so if Brian looked at it as a prince to Freddie's king. Oh hell no. I'd rather the coronet be as some gimmick or antic even.
I've watched and read so many videos, interviews, articles, it's hard to keep track. I don't recall Brian stating that, I hope he isn't as thoughtless as that.
Icy Iron Butterfly you really must get yourself to Vegas in September because all of your criticisms of this collaboration have no credibility until you stop basing them on amateur videos taken from the audience. You think your “POV” is the be all and end all and it isn’t. And, yes, I know all about the history of TSMGO and Adam sings it a hell of a lot better than Elton at the Freddie Tribute or Paul Rodgers or anyone else other than Freddie!
Iron Butterfly wrote:
I'm torn. Half of me can't believe Brian would come up with something like that, another half me believes he could...most of know he loves Adam. Even so, the Coronet is tacky, even more so if Brian looked at it as a prince to Freddie's king. Oh hell no. I'd rather the coronet be as some gimmick or antic even.
I've watched and read so many videos, interviews, articles, it's hard to keep track. I don't recall Brian stating that, I hope he isn't as thoughtless as that.
I've seen a lot of inteviews as well, don't always remember where I see/hear stuff. It's been said a few times on YouTube/Facebook, at least the bit about Brian putting it on him, not sure where I heard the other bit, unless it was someone's interpretation of it. Either way, it's done in fun, Adam loves playing dress up as he puts it and no one ever takes any of that stuff seriously, it's just him being able to indulge his love for theatrics and he sees Queen as a theatrical band so he considers it gives him permission to be over the top and ridiculous, he laughs at himself when he says it, he's even said "I'm kind of ridiculous, I know that".
SweetCaroline wrote:
Icy Iron Butterfly you really must get yourself to Vegas in September because all of your criticisms of this collaboration have no credibility until you stop basing them on amateur videos taken from the audience. You think your “POV” is the be all and end all and it isn’t. And, yes, I know all about the history of TSMGO and Adam sings it a hell of a lot better than Elton at the Freddie Tribute or Paul Rodgers or anyone else other than Freddie!
Adam has said SMGO is a bitch to sing and the hardest one due to the phrasing and how high it is. I haven't heard anyone do a good version of it and I've listened to a few covers, even Freddie would have struggled to sing it live, but I really don't like Adam singing it. The best version he did to me was the first one at the EMA's but I'm sure he'd struggle to sing it like that every night on tour and even then it wasn't great. I usually like his riffing but on that song it just didn't work for me and aside from that he couldn't keep the lyrics straight either, maybe all his concentration was going on trying to hit the notes. That's one song I would have lowered the key on, it would have worked a lot better, even a half step would have made a difference. I think the best one I've heard was JSS in 2003.
SweetCaroline wrote:
Icy Iron Butterfly you really must get yourself to Vegas in September because all of your criticisms of this collaboration have no credibility until you stop basing them on amateur videos taken from the audience. You think your “POV” is the be all and end all and it isn’t. And, yes, I know all about the history of TSMGO and Adam sings it a hell of a lot better than Elton at the Freddie Tribute or Paul Rodgers or anyone else other than Freddie!
Sweetcaroline/CNB, I explained in a reply to you days ago why I can't go. You offered to pay my way, and I don't think I could leave here even for a couple of days. Like I thought though, I would be obligated to love every little thing if I took you up on your offer...erm bribe.
My criticism has no credibility to you because I've not gone to a Q+AL concert? Ok then, make sure you never pass criticism ever again on the artists you have never seen live.
See, unlike you, I don't think my POVs is the end all and be all. I was trying to explain what was behind TSMGO after you quickly dismissed it and you posted that you didn't know what the big deal was about it. And you even tried to speak of how you think Freddie would feel. Based on what you posted, I don't think you knew and still don't know or even care about TSMGO only that it suits your Q+AL agenda. I dare say it was emotionally difficult for Elton John to sing it at the Freddie Tribute...they were close friends in case you missed it and the Tribute was only months after Freddie passed away. Very understandable all things considered.
Paul Rodgers, like I said I never liked how he sang it, and although I can see why it was sang at the time, I wish it wasn't. Of course you think AL sings it better than EJ and PR. There is so much more to the song you are simply unaware of. It was not written with any Q+ in mind at all. It was written because of what Freddie was going through. It took guts to write, produce and sing that song, more guts than any song AL has done in his solo career this far.
SweetCaroline wrote:
TSMGO, Kiev, June 30, 2012:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=weJ2q5HgxXs
Yep, there you go with the links again of AL singing it. And you can't be bothered about the history of Queen songs before AL sings them. When he does sing it, that's where and your only focus is.
What did you learn about TSMGO? Do you at least understand why it was written?
Yes, but it is wrong for you or anyone to say that song should never be played or performed because it was written for Freddie when he was so ill. As I said before, it is a tribute to him that the show and the powerful Queen music must go on!
Some day when the remaining guys are no longer able to perform, the critics will be weeping and gnashing their teeth with regret especially the idiots who refuse to go because there is no Freddie!
Some day when the remaining guys are no longer able to perform, the critics will be weeping and gnashing their teeth with regret especially the idiots who refuse to go because there is no Freddie!
I’m done posting until June 7.
rockchic65 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
I'm torn. Half of me can't believe Brian would come up with something like that, another half me believes he could...most of know he loves Adam. Even so, the Coronet is tacky, even more so if Brian looked at it as a prince to Freddie's king. Oh hell no. I'd rather the coronet be as some gimmick or antic even.
I've watched and read so many videos, interviews, articles, it's hard to keep track. I don't recall Brian stating that, I hope he isn't as thoughtless as that.
I've seen a lot of inteviews as well, don't always remember where I see/hear stuff. It's been said a few times on YouTube/Facebook, at least the bit about Brian putting it on him, not sure where I heard the other bit, unless it was someone's interpretation of it. Either way, it's done in fun, Adam loves playing dress up as he puts it and no one ever takes any of that stuff seriously, it's just him being able to indulge his love for theatrics and he sees Queen as a theatrical band so he considers it gives him permission to be over the top and ridiculous, he laughs at himself when he says it, he's even said "I'm kind of ridiculous, I know that".
Usually I'd go look for it, but I don't have time to trawl through past interviews, articles, and videos right now.
If AL had a cape and Coronet for his own solo shows, I'd still think it was tacky as heck, but IMO when done with Brian and Roger, I think it's tacky and distasteful. I do know many Glamberts have stated it's a passing of the torch type thing and that's how it's seen by some in that fan base, so of course they would love it. For me, it's impossible to pass the torch, especially from Freddie to AL. I will never think AL has free reign to do what he wants during these shows, because a fact, these shows aren't his.
The Coronet came as such a shock to me honestly. I wasn't happy from the first time I saw it. A cape was added during the last shows, I don't know what gives. It's one of the most distasteful Q+AL things I've seen. To think there is that, and even less of Freddie and John, you can tell some things will never sit well with me. These are the main ones.
SweetCaroline wrote:
I’m done posting until June 7.
I will believe it when I see it. ;-)
Iron Butterfly wrote:
Well, I would hope AL wanted Freddie to be and heard. I'm right with AL there. But to take out the ending of Bohemian Rhapsody, and to have AL sing much of it as possible, I don't think that is the right choice. Bohemian Rhapsody isn't only a classic song for Queen it's a groundbreaking rock song. It does come across as tacky ALmis the one to sing it as much as possible...what would it hurt to keep Freddie's vocals?
A big hole is left without having as much of Freddie and John in these shows. They had so much to do with Queen history after all. Or put it this way, AL wouldn't be where he is without Queen.
It would not hurt anyone to show more of Freddie and John during these shows. It's like AL is wanted to be fit anywhere possible. Who had the idea for that?
I don't know who's idea the Bo Rhap thing was, I've never seen any interviews where it was mentioned, it just disappeared after the three lyric flubs last year. Maybe he just thought he'd be less likely to mess up if he sang the whole thing, but that's just me wondering, he's never mentioned it to my knowledge. I personally found the balance with Freddie in the show just right at the show I went to.
SweetCaroline wrote:
Yes, but it is wrong for you or anyone to say that song should never be played or performed because it was written for Freddie when he was so ill. As I said before, it is a tribute to him that the show and the powerful Queen music must go on!
Some day when the remaining guys are no longer able to perform, the critics will be weeping and gnashing their teeth with regret especially the idiots who refuse to go because there is no Freddie!
How you twist things. I gave my explanations in this thread. You think my POV is wrong.
I still don't think you understand the meaning behind the song, act I'd go as far as to say you don't care about the song, just suits your obvious Q+AL agenda.
You really shouldn't go there about how you feel that people will be weeping and gnashing their teeth with regret. I am truly sorry I've not seen Freddie with Queen live, Bowie, Led Zeppelin, and so many more. I'm unlikely to ever see Elton John live. That's a regret. If I miss seeing Q+AL live, no biggie, I can live with it. Q+AL is not Queen to me after all. If I attended a show last year, and my mother ended up dying during the time I was away that would have been devastating. Why do you think I had to turn your offer erm bribe down that you gave on QOL...my mother is very ill for nearly a year and I don't want to leave her because she is that ill. I will say that here cause I don't see you posting on QOL in the last couple of days.
I think when Q+AL is over, it will be you gnashing your teeth crying, screaming, because without Brian and Roger, AL is very unlikely to ever draw in the crowds, roll in the money the way he is doing with Q+AL.
AL is taking the easy way out, IMO in rolling in the money, by usually singing Queen songs and letting his solo musc be a second piroity. Deep down, I think he knows his own solo career can never achieve what Q+AL has, or many other artists have achieved. It some of his fans who should realise that too.