[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
I still say he cannot sing: He has a bad timing (listened to SMGO and he was constantly 1-2 seconds behind the music), bad pronounciation, his yodeling is annoying and unnecessary and his voice is paperthin in the upper register. He might hit high notes but it sounds atrocious. Like a goat hence he is known as the goatboy everywhere. [/QUOTE]
There's only a couple of people call him a goat, you being the main one. The paperthin voice thing is maybe because you are listening on video, you can't have missed all the comments by people who've been to a show and say the complete opposite, his voice just doesn't pick up that well on vids, but he has an extremely powerful voice. Everyone's voice sounds different once you switch from chest to head/falsetto but live it definitely doesn't sound thin.
Don't know if there's any sound engineers on this board but I'd love to know their take on that if there is, I once read an explanation by one of why he sounds so different live (they'd actually seen him) and it made sense.
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[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Both the new QE guy and Martel are miles apart from Adam, who is second only to Freddie![/QUOTE]
You've generally seemed alright sparring with Queen fans while appearing to be open-minded about Adam's role in this incarnation of the band, but now you've completely lost the plot.
If you think Lambert is closer to Mercury in voice than Marc Martel, then you need to give your ears a wash and attain some basic musical literacy. Lambert is a good front man, but tonally and stylistically he is nothing like Mercury, while Martel is a dead ringer 95% of the time. It's not even debatable.
If your love for Lambert has resulted in this much bias and dogmatic disregard for what is so obviously true and you have no desire in investigating why you're so embarrassingly wrong, then you should take your activities to an Adam Lambert forum and stop wasting your time here. This place is out of your league.
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Keep in mind, sweetcaroline is no Queen fan. Very obvious an AL fan only. Her own posts prove it. This s one such example.
Its true Marc sounds amazingly like Freddie. It takes me aback sometimes.
I think in this case Caroline meant second only to Freddie in talent level not how he sounds, at least that's how I read what she put, but I could be wrong.
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[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Brancelli wrote:[/b]
just rewatched the gridlock performance. Very good, Powerful. His "rock voice" is more suited for Zeppelin or GNR. Not Queen.
This is one heck of a performance for Adam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS38hz5PERU[/QUOTE]
Don't hate me, or call me negative, but I don't like him covering WLL at all. I know it's held up as some sort of example that he can sing rock, but there are better harder rock songs he has done. TYMD at one show in particular was pretty damn good, I wish that version was still up on YouTube.
He has improved, I will give hm that, but songs like Stone Cold Crazy isn't his strongest point, IMO. Things like Save Me suit him better than I thought possible.
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Hey Iron, I can respect that. We're all different, and people like are gonna have differing appeals. That's natural as human beings. What I do believe is that you are a music lover, and not a troll here. Glad to have different and sometimes similar opinions, and discuss respectfully. Some people just insult (Caroline, again, I think I did go over the line with you, was a bit frustrated . . . I apologize). It's good to have an open discussion, and I do try to see opposing points of view to my own, as difficult as it may be. Some are just cretinous though and worth ignoring.[/QUOTE]
Thanks so much. Music is one of my passing for sure, although there is quite a bit of music I like, very few I love and a passionate about. Queen for sure. I get seated by some for the opinions I do have and share, especially about Q+AL.
[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
I think in this case Caroline meant second only to Freddie in talent level not how he sounds, at least that's how I read what she put, but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Well let's see if she answers for herself ;-).
If she was saying AL was only second to Freddie in talent level,well that's wrong too. AL can't play an instrument , his song writing is nowhere near Freddie's, he doesn't command a crowd like Freddie did, etc etc.
So hell no AL is not second only to Freddie at all in any way, shape or form. It's world's apart.
Comparing Lamefart to Freddie is like comparing McDonalds with a 5star restaurant. Just silly thinking about comparing them
rockchic: Listen to his timing: He is always one or two seconds early or too late. Sure you gonna say that he does it on purpose but he doesnt nail one single song timing wise and it sounds atrocious . Why cant you guys accept critic where it is necessary. Yoedling scales doesnt make you a great singer - the same as doing pentatonic scales on guitar without feeling. And feeling and depth is whats lacking as well as far as Lame-Berts vocals go
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
rockchic: Listen to his timing: He is always one or two seconds early or too late. Sure you gonna say that he does it on purpose but he doesnt nail one single song timing wise and it sounds atrocious . Why cant you guys accept critic where it is necessary. Yoedling scales doesnt make you a great singer - the same as doing pentatonic scales on guitar without feeling. And feeling and depth is whats lacking as well as far as Lame-Berts vocals go[/QUOTE]
Why can't you accept that everyone has different taste in music and what you consider yodelling is what others consider riffing and love it. Lots of glam metal, glam rock, rock bands did/do the riffing because it's what gets an audience reaction, it's powerful, at least to a lot of people. As to feeling and depth, that's perception as well, you might not see that in Adam but plenty do. It's one of the things that gets mentioned in reviews and by fans, especially WWTLF.
Like I previously said, you obviously don't feel any connection to his voice except aversion but it's definitely not the same for everyone and it has nothing to do with skill. I feel no connection whatsoever to lots of people's voices but it doesn't make them bad, just not for me.
The timing thing if you listen to songs like IWIA, WATC etc, it's obvious it's a stylistic effect, do you seriously think someone who's sung in theater shows all their life and then done a lot of singing where you don't use clicks both solo and in a band before Idol can't keep to the timing of a song. Haven't heard SMGO live since they didn't do it last year and it is weird phrasing wise so that may not be on purpose I wouldn't know. I do know he's previously said it's the hardest one of the songs to sing. Also I haven't seen one review, good or bad, or any other person mention the timing and there were definitely no timing issues at the show I saw - Liverpool 2017 if you wan't to subject yourself to more wailing just to check.
"Stylistic thing" when you cannot hold the timing to one single song. I give upo. Case closed. Glamberts are just pathetic. And I listen to LOTS oif old school rck stuff with high vocals. Not a single single is yodeling up and don unnecessariily like Lame-Bird does. Listen to Bruce Dickinson or Michael Kiske from Helloween. The latter has even are more high pitched voice but he is singing awesome without doing the "riffing" as you put it (never heard "riffing" when it comes to vocals" tbh - but as Glamerts are knowitalls and always have an excuse for his lukewarm singing no need to argue there as well): His voice is unlistenable to me. And on his studio recordings there are lots of autotuning vocal effects. If he was such an inconic winger he would not need those. Just saying....
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
"Stylistic thing" when you cannot hold the timing to one single song. I give upo. Case closed. Glamberts are just pathetic. And I listen to LOTS oif old school rck stuff with high vocals. Not a single single is yodeling up and don unnecessariily like Lame-Bird does. Listen to Bruce Dickinson or Michael Kiske from Helloween. The latter has even are more high pitched voice but he is singing awesome without doing the "riffing" as you put it (never heard "riffing" when it comes to vocals" tbh - but as Glamerts are knowitalls and always have an excuse for his lukewarm singing no need to argue there as well): His voice is unlistenable to me. And on his studio recordings there are lots of autotuning vocal effects. If he was such an inconic winger he would not need those. Just saying....[/QUOTE]
Riffing means Vocal ornamentation, melsimatic vocal runs (in classical music) same thing - extending a syllable over a run of notes and Michael Kiske does a lot of that.
https://youtu.be/_qy4s3F9P6I?t=48m49s Iron maiden example.
https://youtu.be/jYDuNB1u_qc?t=2m15s Avantasia - what would you call that? Good but what do you call it because I would think that's what you mean by yodelling, but if not then maybe you could explain and link a vid showing what you do mean, maybe we're at cross purposes on that one.
Autotune is used for effect especially on EDM/Pop music and Adam has that on some of his studio stuff but not because he can't sing as he clearly proves live.
No yodeling at all in this clips. Yodeling for ms is up and down and up and down as the annoying tool does on WATC and all those other songs where it is absolutely unnecessary. Got it now???
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
No yodeling at all in this clips. Yodeling for ms is up and down and up and down as the annoying tool does on WATC and all those other songs where it is absolutely unnecessary. Got it now???[/QUOTE]
Well that's still riffing, just more scales involved, and still personal preference. You obviously don't like it but from a technical standpoint it's far harder to do than just riffing on virtually the same note. He's incredibly talented as a singer, just not the way you would like.
He has no talent at all-especially when it comes to annoying yodeling and timing. He is ALWAYS off timing wise. Stylistic thing my ass
If you think, Lambert is off-beat on SMGO then Google the term “syncope“. It‘s done on purpose. I have seen him singing that song in Cologne and Wembley this tour. It was brilliant.
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
If you think, Lambert is off-beat on SMGO then Google the term “syncope“. It‘s done on purpose. I have seen him singing that song in Cologne and Wembley this tour. It was brilliant. [/QUOTE]
Was trying to remember the term to post it earlier, but it's probably better to google syncopated rhythm since syncope also means fainting and loss of blood flow to the brain - although watching the way he sings that's also a possibility lol.
