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The songs are still loved to this day, and as i recall a lot of Rogers solo stuff has failed too !
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Thistle
Bowie and Jagger's version of Dancing In The Street is loved to this day by some - doesn't mean it's not shite. Justin Beiber is loved by many - doesn't mean he's not shite. We like Hot Space - doesn't mean everyone else does, or that it's not shite. Music is subjective - you need to understand and accept.
mike hunt
That's the point happystarr is trying too make.......Just because an album is a failure and most fans hate it doesn't mean someone who enjoys an album like Hot Space is wrong....VH keeps saying the album was a failure everytime happstarr say's he enjoys it. I agree with happystarr in that it doesn't matter if it was a failure as long as you enjoy it. Me personally, a few songs I like....a few middle of the road songs and some terrible ones. I heard worse albums by big bands. Metallica lu lu and St. Anger for example and many others.
Thistle
I agree with a lot of what Happystar says - he just goes about it the wrong way. He states his opinion as fact. We three like Hot Space, but that doesn't make it "loved to this day" lol.
I have noted that VH likes to niggle (he's never done me a bad turn though, tbf) - but so does HS. They both need to stop haranguing each other. That said, HS has had a lot of bile deleted, whilst the majority of responses have been respectful in their disagreement. He needs to accept that rather than bang on that his opinion is disrespected.
I have noted that VH likes to niggle (he's never done me a bad turn though, tbf) - but so does HS. They both need to stop haranguing each other. That said, HS has had a lot of bile deleted, whilst the majority of responses have been respectful in their disagreement. He needs to accept that rather than bang on that his opinion is disrespected.
mike hunt
I wouldn't say I like the album, but it's not horrible in my opinion. I do think it's they're worst album. At least The Works, Magic and The Miracle have songs I always go back to....Hot Space doesn't have anything like Princes and who wants to live Forever, Hammer To Fall, Hard Life. Except for Under Pressure. It's all subjective of course.
Thistle
There is no Queen album I dislike (I used to hate Flash, but recently "re-discovered" it) and don't get the bad rap that Magic and The Miracle get. But the one that puzzles me most is Hot Space - I think it's got lots of nice tracks lol. I go back to every album sooner or later!
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
It doesn't necessarily mean he disliked the album before it was released.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't necessarily mean he liked it, either. The point is, if his role suffered from the new approach, if things didn't go as he wanted them to from a musical perspective, if the one song he got full credit for wasn't true to his original vision... then why would he like it?
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Roger and Brian are on record now as disliking Hot Space. yet, when it was released they both defended it. Only after that initial wave of publicity was over did they disown the album.[/QUOTE]
Roger, yes. But Brian's never disowned it per se. He's even gone as far as saying that without it there'd be no 'Thriller', which is ridiculous and exaggerated even for Queen.
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
If it was successful like The Game, I'm sure they would all express their love for it, including John. [/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. 'Dust' was a success and Roger still didn't like it. He liked the money he earned thanks to it, but not the song. In a parallel universe where 'Hot Space' had been a 'Thriller', that wouldn't necessarily stop John from disliking it.
It doesn't necessarily mean he disliked the album before it was released.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't necessarily mean he liked it, either. The point is, if his role suffered from the new approach, if things didn't go as he wanted them to from a musical perspective, if the one song he got full credit for wasn't true to his original vision... then why would he like it?
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Roger and Brian are on record now as disliking Hot Space. yet, when it was released they both defended it. Only after that initial wave of publicity was over did they disown the album.[/QUOTE]
Roger, yes. But Brian's never disowned it per se. He's even gone as far as saying that without it there'd be no 'Thriller', which is ridiculous and exaggerated even for Queen.
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
If it was successful like The Game, I'm sure they would all express their love for it, including John. [/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. 'Dust' was a success and Roger still didn't like it. He liked the money he earned thanks to it, but not the song. In a parallel universe where 'Hot Space' had been a 'Thriller', that wouldn't necessarily stop John from disliking it.
Saint Jiub
Saint Jiub
[QUOTE] [b]Thistleboy1980 wrote:[/b]
I agree with a lot of what Happystar says - he just goes about it the wrong way. He states his opinion as fact. We three like Hot Space, but that doesn't make it "loved to this day" lol.
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BINGO!
I agree with a lot of what Happystar says - he just goes about it the wrong way. He states his opinion as fact. We three like Hot Space, but that doesn't make it "loved to this day" lol.
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BINGO!
mike hunt
[QUOTE] [b]Thistleboy1980 wrote:[/b]
There is no Queen album I dislike (I used to hate Flash, but recently "re-discovered" it) and don't get the bad rap that Magic and The Miracle get. But the one that puzzles me most is Hot Space - I think it's got lots of nice tracks lol. I go back to every album sooner or later! [/QUOTE]
Me too, I go through my Hot Space stages as well....
There is no Queen album I dislike (I used to hate Flash, but recently "re-discovered" it) and don't get the bad rap that Magic and The Miracle get. But the one that puzzles me most is Hot Space - I think it's got lots of nice tracks lol. I go back to every album sooner or later! [/QUOTE]
Me too, I go through my Hot Space stages as well....
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]mike hunt wrote:[/b]
That's the point happystarr is trying too make.......Just because an album is a failure and most fans hate it doesn't mean someone who enjoys an album like Hot Space is wrong....VH keeps saying the album was a failure everytime happstarr say's he enjoys it. I agree with happystarr in that it doesn't matter if it was a failure as long as you enjoy it. Me personally, a few songs I like....a few middle of the road songs and some terrible ones. I heard worse albums by big bands. Metallica lu lu and St. Anger for example and many others.[/QUOTE]
A certain person has stated in the past that it's a better album than Inuendo, which they claim was hurried and just not as good.
We all have our favourite albums and tracks. I'm not one of those people who claims everything was better than anyone else because it had the name Queen on it. I actually like Hot Space because some of it went in different directions, I like it more than The Works and A Kind Of Magic although both those albums had some great songs on them.
Despite liking Hot Space I'm very aware that it didn't sell as well as they or the record company thought it would, and both Milton Kynes and Leeds were not sold out either was the American tour, they also played less dates at MSG and LA forum. So in many respects, compared to previous releases, the album failed.
That's the point happystarr is trying too make.......Just because an album is a failure and most fans hate it doesn't mean someone who enjoys an album like Hot Space is wrong....VH keeps saying the album was a failure everytime happstarr say's he enjoys it. I agree with happystarr in that it doesn't matter if it was a failure as long as you enjoy it. Me personally, a few songs I like....a few middle of the road songs and some terrible ones. I heard worse albums by big bands. Metallica lu lu and St. Anger for example and many others.[/QUOTE]
A certain person has stated in the past that it's a better album than Inuendo, which they claim was hurried and just not as good.
We all have our favourite albums and tracks. I'm not one of those people who claims everything was better than anyone else because it had the name Queen on it. I actually like Hot Space because some of it went in different directions, I like it more than The Works and A Kind Of Magic although both those albums had some great songs on them.
Despite liking Hot Space I'm very aware that it didn't sell as well as they or the record company thought it would, and both Milton Kynes and Leeds were not sold out either was the American tour, they also played less dates at MSG and LA forum. So in many respects, compared to previous releases, the album failed.
mike hunt
Can't argue with that post.....It did fail, but it's not all bad. Some good stuff on it. Innuendo I love, I feel the strength of the band Freddie's vocals and The guitar work by Brian were highlighted Again. Freddie was focused on his work instead of partying...Roger came up with 2 good songs, though his drum work on that album was flat compared with his older stuff from the 70's.
Star*
Mike : Yeah i agree Rogers drums were flat on innuendo and as VH pointed out i prefer Hot Space more because it was more uplifting and innuendo was quite dark and depressing ,to me the atmosphere was serious when i listen to that album, maybe its a pre - doom and gloom feeling as what was ahead was Freddie's death and you get hints of sadness in those songs! Queen had entered into some form of black tunnel and it showed in that album.
Thistle
Happystar - in terms of music, yes Hot Space is more fun and uplifting. I get why you think Innuendo is dark, but the way I see it is that it's beautiful. It's Freddie saying goodbye, and the fact that his vocals are so strong is testament to the man, who worked right up until his body could take no more.
Star*
Yes i know Freddie worked so hard right up until the end, but if he had been healthy there would have been a lot of those songs that he would have rejected or changed.
He was a man of perfection but because he was gravely ill, he just wanted to sing anything and "Delilah" is proof of that and it could be the worst Queen track ever!
He was a man of perfection but because he was gravely ill, he just wanted to sing anything and "Delilah" is proof of that and it could be the worst Queen track ever!