Well Freddie was not trained with his voice yet he became the worlds greatest male rock singer, so make you wonder that training aint that good after all.
I bet the person that won American idol when Lambert was in the contest was not trained either, natural talent is what its all about.[/QUOTE]
To my knowledge Kris didn't have vocal training, he didn't have anywhere near the range or skill of Adam but he had a pleasant easy listening kind of voice and could play guitar and piano.
There's for and against regards training, it can give you the edge when it comes to longevity, knowing how to protect your voice, how to complete a long tour without damage and how to hit the notes without cracking or straining, but you probably lose something in the raw feel and strain of rock singing which goes into making it seem more authentic.
snifflese · Member since
Actually, Runner, Adam can sing every song in the Queen catalog in the original key, which pretty much no one else can. If fact, Brian May said that Adam can hit high notes that Freddie could not, esp. in live performances. We both know that Freddie sometimes had off nights if you are being honest about it. One of the most amazing things about Adam, whether you care for his voice or not, he is amazingly consistent. There are no off nights and off key performances no matter how long the tour is. I am not touting Adam over Freddie but these are facts. Freddie is the original and there will never be anyone like him, but there are aspects to Adam's voice that are very, very solid. That is probably due to Freddie's not being a trained singer. He might not have known some of the things he needed to do to maintain his voice like a trained singer would. Adam is very careful with his voice and you can hear it from concert to concert. When he has several shows in a few short days, he might sing a little lower and leave out a couple of the stratospheric notes. Other times they are back in, if there is more recovery time. No one ever notices unless you listen to many, many of the concerts. A little manipulation of the songs does not impact the quality at all. It is just a little different that night and everyone still loves it!
Star* · Member since
Snifflese You do sell Adam to the chimney tops and back but i still am not impressed, Why do you bother with your drivel trying to make out he is the bees knees when he has nver had a number one single or been voted best male vocalist ever? He is a "Z" lister as far as pop singers go, and i would probably say he is not as big as "One Direction" he is in the mould of "Callabro" or "Jackpack" just west end musical singers and that is it. Freddie done a hell of a lot more than Lambert did on stage, he played piano he was very active on stage, climbing scaffolding, and getting the audiences into a frenzy. Lambert does not exactly make any effort on stage and i find his performance quite lazy and sloppy. Mercury is the greatest male vocalist & Performer hands down, and your Lambert comes no were near the quality and richness of a Freddie Mercury performance so please cut the bull and look a little bit closer to your screen and see Lambert for what he really is, mediocre and that is been over generous.
SweetCaroline · Member since
You can have a good or great voice but it takes more than that to be a successful live performer.
Adam said he was nervous at that first full QAL concert in Kiev but you would never know it.
This may not be a good example but when my daughter was in high school she went to an event at a college where you are critiqued by a vocal expert. The girl who performed before her could hardly sing because she was shaking like a leaf. My daughter said she was nervous too but she had a big broad smile on her face the whole time. The judge wrote a special note to her that her stage presence was excellent and she should consider pursuing anything that would put her in front of an audience. Besides performing in many local stage shows she became a TV reporter-anchor person for over 20 years and now she teaches journalism and radio/tv production.
SweetCaroline · Member since
happystar, I ask you again — which LIVE performance did you attend for either a solo or QAL performance with Adam?
Adam was not promoted as much as other singers have been. I’m surprised that Simon Cowell didn’t latch onto him like he did with One Direction.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
Snifflese You do sell Adam to the chimney tops and back but i still am not impressed, Why do you bother with your drivel trying to make out he is the bees knees when he has nver had a number one single or been voted best male vocalist ever? He is a "Z" lister as far as pop singers go, and i would probably say he is not as big as "One Direction" he is in the mould of "Callabro" or "Jackpack" just west end musical singers and that is it. Freddie done a hell of a lot more than Lambert did on stage, he played piano he was very active on stage, climbing scaffolding, and getting the audiences into a frenzy. Lambert does not exactly make any effort on stage and i find his performance quite lazy and sloppy. Mercury is the greatest male vocalist & Performer hands down, and your Lambert comes no were near the quality and richness of a Freddie Mercury performance so please cut the bull and look a little bit closer to your screen and see Lambert for what he really is, mediocre and that is been over generous.
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No one could ever accuse him of being lazy he just has a different way of doing things. There's tons of singers who don't throw themselves around the stage, climbing scaffolding etc, doesn't make them lazy or worse than anyone else, they all have their own type of persona.
As to equating chart hits with talent, that doesn't work either, there are lots of talented singers/bands out there who haven't made it big in chart hits.
snifflese · Member since
There are lots of people who run around the stage and they suck. Personally I am not into singers running around like a crazy person and climbing scaffolding. To each his own. I care about the singing!! Idiots can also get an audience into a frenzy, but that doesn't mean squat to me either. You are just avoiding the idea that Adam can sing in the orignal key which no one else can really do except he and Freddie! You can have the most wonderful voice in the world and never have a #1 hit. Taylor Swift has sold Lord knows how many albums, but her songs are drivel and she honestly can't sing without autotone. Wow! I am really excited about her #1's. Big deal!
SweetCaroline · Member since
Someone just posted this on Twitter. I had totally forgotten that Adam performed solo on the James Corden show 3 years ago:
Sniflese: You sound so bitter that Lambert has never had a number one hit for a number one hit means people love the record.
Freddie had musical skill and you are wrong about anybody can get an audience in to a frenzy - well they cannot, it takes a really skilled front man to keep an audiences attention, and many fans have told me that Freddie was very magnetic in that you could not keep your eyes off him, and before you say that is what Adam does for you well your a woman with a sad teenage crush like the other three stooges on here and you all secretly have teenage crushes on him. When you actually grow up you will feel like a right plank.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]happystar wrote:[/b]
Sniflese: You sound so bitter that Lambert has never had a number one hit for a number one hit means people love the record.
Freddie had musical skill and you are wrong about anybody can get an audience in to a frenzy - well they cannot, it takes a really skilled front man to keep an audiences attention, and many fans have told me that Freddie was very magnetic in that you could not keep your eyes off him, and before you say that is what Adam does for you well your a woman with a sad teenage crush like the other three stooges on here and you all secretly have teenage crushes on him. When you actually grow up you will feel like a right plank.[/QUOTE]
I do agree it is a skill to keep the audience's attention and not just anyone can do it, it takes a certain amount of confidence and definitely charisma but there's so many different ways to achieve that and running around and climbing things or launching yourself into the audience is just one. Good examples are The Foo's, Dave's brilliant at that, running around generating energy and another is Jared Leto with his crowd surfing and the very weird way he has of getting his fans to sing on cue, he's like some kind of cult leader. Adam has charisma and gets the audience on board, just in a totally different type of way, more with eye contact, facial expressions and being fun. Any way you can work an audience has it's merits and each way won't connect with everyone.
There's lots of songs that don't make it to No1 that are great and there's a ton of great songs on albums that are never released as singles. SSOR, KQ, NIH, the first three charting Queen singles didn't reach No 1 and Liar & KYA didn't even chart, but I doubt you think they're all rubbish.
SweetCaroline · Member since
Adam is a mesmerizing live performer who commands the stage.
When will his critics in this forum reveal they have seen him in person and not just on YouTube?
SweetCaroline · Member since
If you have a spare 55 minutes, listen to this podcast where Adam is called the best male vocalist on the planet and why. If you can scroll to the last 15 minutes, that’s the part about Adam:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/Prjk7vTrWVg
Holly2003 · Member since
Ted Neeley's a better singer than Lambert, and in the genre of music Lambert is best at i.e. musical theatre.
Lambert is not a rock singer and off the top of my head, the following rock singers have great range AND soulful voices (unlike Lambert who has the range but his voice lacks soul).
Brent Smith
Ville Valo
Amy Lee
Myles Kennedy
Chester Bennington RIP :(
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Ted Neeley's a better singer than Lambert, and in the genre of music Lambert is best at i.e. musical theatre.
Lambert is not a rock singer and off the top of my head, the following rock singers have great range AND soulful voices (unlike Lambert who has the range but his voice lacks soul).
Brent Smith
Ville Valo
Amy Lee
Myles Kennedy
Chester Bennington RIP :([/QUOTE]
I disagree with the lacks soul, depends on what he's singing but he can have a very soulful voice. That said I completely disagree with the notion of anyone being the best singer on the planet, it's just plain daft, there's a ton of amazing singers out there and whoever you're a fan of will be the best in you're eyes, it's not objective and how can it be when everyone responds to different sounds for different reasons and even different styles of music. Someone who's an opera buff isn't gonna think Chester Bennington was a great singer.
Not a Ted Neeley fan myself and I personally don't think he's better than Adam, he has a totally different type of voice anyway, I prefer Balsamo The problem is Adam may have started out in that type of music but it's not what he likes to do so it's hard to tell how good he could be at it if he really tried, I'm betting very but I doubt we'll ever find out.
Holly2003 · Member since
Lambert has never sung a Queen song with any soul. For example, he sings Somebody to Love like he's in a west end musical.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that opera/chester bennington comment. I said Chester was a rock singer who has a great range and a soulful voice. I didn't say he could sing opera.
I doubt sweetcaroline has heard of any of these people and yet still insists Lambert is the best at every genre -- the way I used to think of Fred many years ago in my teens.