Continuity question about Freddie's last days.

I'm attaching the photo of the contract they signed with Neptune Productions on the 1st of November 1972. Note that he was, legally, Frederick Bulsara (at some point between his birth and this date he was no longer 'Farrokh').

Here's the first page of the contract they signed with Trident Audio Productions on that same date (1st of November 1972). Again, his legal name was Frederick Bulsara rather than Farrokh (or Freddie, or Fred, or Freddy, or anything else for that matter).

Last page of the 1st of November 1972 contract with Trident. Note that it says 'Frederick Bulsara' (though his signature was indeed 'Freddie Bulsara').

27th of March 1977, Queen and Trident Audio Productions finally get rid of each other. Note that his name was 'Frederick Mercury' by then.

On his death certificate, his name's written (by hand, by a qualified and certified professional - someone whose perspective is far more relevant for this than mine or 'a person online who got annoyed by it') as 'Frederick Mercury' and it also mentions 'Frederick Bulsara'.

You are just an attention seeker. Look at the album Covers hard to spot "Frederick Mercury " anywhere . And now STFU with your nonsense you sad idiot

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

You are just an attention seeker.[/QUOTE]

If so, why are you giving me attention? Is your life so empty and pathetic?

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

Look at the album Covers hard to spot "Frederick Mercury " anywhere[/QUOTE]

So? Album covers don't mention John's Music Man bass. Does it mean it didn't exist? Album covers don't mention Brian's great-grandparents. Does it mean they never existed? Album covers don't mention Roger's Alfa Romeo. Does it mean he never drove one?

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

And now STFU [/QUOTE]

I won't. But nice to see you're upset enough to use that kind of language without any provocation. Your arguments must be so sound!

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

with your nonsense[/QUOTE]

It's not nonsense and I already provided evidence backing up why I refer to him as Frederick. Instead of insulting me, why don't you check it out?

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

you sad[/QUOTE]

I'm not sad, but thank you for caring so much about my mood. Why am I such an important part of your life?

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

...idiot[/QUOTE]

What's 'sad' and 'idiot[ic]' is to try to offend somebody else just because they don't use the same name you're using to refer to a defunct musician.

If you want to refer to him as 'Freddie', or 'Fred', or 'Freddy', that's absolutely fine. I won't be moaning and whining about it, since you're more than entitled to call him like that.

Likewise, if I refer to him as 'Frederick' that's absolutely fine as well. Is your life so pathetic and empty that you've got to call me a 'sad idiot' just because I use a different (and completely valid) way to call him?

It is you who are talking nonsense then, and once you're proved wrong (as you've been on this thread, repeatedly) you just go to personal insults.

I too find the whole Frederick nonsense super annoying but I respect Sebastian squarely due to his vast knowledge on Queen's music and overall valuable contributions to this forum.
Live and let live, I guess :).

I still don't understand why it's such a big deal. It's like getting upset over someone saying 'awesome' rather than 'great'. It's not like I'm trying to force everyone else to call him 'Frederick'... and, by the way, it's not nonsense: it's his name. It'd be nonsense to call him 'Steve' or 'Epaminondas', but 'Frederick' was his name, unlike those two.

To be accurate Seb under English Law anyone CAN call themselves whatever the hell they like (. https://deedpolloffice.com/change-name).In law, you can simply adopt a new name and start using it.
There's no legal requirement to officially chamge ones name although it's of course possible and sometimes beneficial to do so. The only way to find out what he was legally called woudl be to check his passport or bank records.

As far as we can tell there's no documentary evidence that F Bulsara ever did LEGALLY become F Mercury ( whatever that F stood for). We do know that been any suggestion that he legally became Fredetick Bulsara so the contract with trdent is ambigouos seeing as it lists 2 different names between first and last pages I'd suggest it may even be void as there's no "henceforth known as" to explain the difference.
and the "Frederick mercury on the severance contract is also no guarantee that he ever LEGALLY changed his name only that at some point he was called FREDERICK in writing though it appears he still signed as Freddie. Just becasse someone typed his name as Frederick doesn't mean he ever used it. In fact the available information indicates that HE only ever called himself Freddie.

[QUOTE] [b]scallyuk wrote:[/b]
HE only ever called himself Freddie.
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Well there's a tape of him calling himself "Frederick" so it happened at least once.

Remember when he first changed his name it was in Panchgani India not England.
It's clear (to me at least based on the evidence) he used Frederick, at least early on, at a guess i'd say it was the name he picked right back at school, which was then shortened by others and stuck.

I know that you can change your name at anytime, but the point is that the name he changed it to was, at least on the day he signed with Trident, on the day he signed out of Trident and on the day he died, 'Frederick'.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the name on his passport was indeed 'Freddie' and not 'Frederick'. Still, in that case, whoever typed the contract wrote 'Frederick' (either 'Bulsara' or 'Mercury') and F. (whatever 'F.' stood for) signed it, therefore accepting that someone else was referring to him as 'Frederick'.

Also, on his death certificate, his doctor wrote 'Frederick Mercury', which, again, is good enough for me. He even lists 'Frederick Bulsara' as his previous name. Again, that's good enough for me.

I'm not trying to force anyone to call him 'Frederick', I just prefer to use the long form of people's names. I prefer 'James' to 'Jimmy', 'Matthew' to 'Matt' and 'Joseph' to 'Joey', simple as that. I'm not throwing a fit if someone says 'Matt', 'Joey', 'Jimmy' or 'Freddie', by the way - I'm absolutely fine with that and I won't call them a 'sad idiot' just for choosing a different pathway to the one I'd go for. In fact, I fall for that from time to time so you can easily find posts of mine mentioning 'Steve Howe' (not 'Stephen'), 'Rick Wakeman' (not 'Richard') and, indeed 'Fred(die) Mercury', and that's absolutely fine as well.

A few years ago, I met someone whose name was 'Ricky'. Not Richard, but Ricky. That's what it said on his passport, his NHS documentation and his bus pass. Not Richard, Ricky. So, indeed, I called him Ricky.

In Frederick's case, I go for the name on his contracts and his death certificate. If anybody else disagrees and wants to call him 'Fred' or 'Freddie', that's absolutely fine. But I don't see the point in calling me names just because I'm doing something else. It'd be as stupid as me insulting someone else for spelling 'mom' instead of 'mum' (or vice-versa... or for not hyphenating 'vice-versa'... or for calling it a 'dash' rather than a 'hyphen'... or for using ellipsis too often...)

By the way, I do hate it when people write 'u' instead of 'you', but I don't throw a tantrum over that. But I suppose I'm the one who takes these things too seriously...

I've always been a fan of the book: A Narrative of the Life of Freddie Douglas....

It's essential reading when one wishes to understand the hemorrhaging crap of the U.S.A..

Also the Curtis Mayfield song Frederick's Dead.
I don't see the problem here

[QUOTE] [b]scallyuk wrote:[/b]

To be accurate Seb under English Law anyone CAN call themselves whatever the hell they like (. https://deedpolloffice.com/change-name).In law, you can simply adopt a new name and start using it.
There's no legal requirement to officially chamge ones name although it's of course possible and sometimes beneficial to do so. The only way to find out what he was legally called woudl be to check his passport or bank records.

As far as we can tell there's no documentary evidence that F Bulsara ever did LEGALLY become F Mercury ( whatever that F stood for). We do know that been any suggestion that he legally became Fredetick Bulsara so the contract with trdent is ambigouos seeing as it lists 2 different names between first and last pages I'd suggest it may even be void as there's no "henceforth known as" to explain the difference.
and the "Frederick mercury on the severance contract is also no guarantee that he ever LEGALLY changed his name only that at some point he was called FREDERICK in writing though it appears he still signed as Freddie. Just becasse someone typed his name as Frederick doesn't mean he ever used it. In fact the available information indicates that HE only ever called himself Freddie.
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The point your making doesn't really prove anything. Whether or not you can find any evidence Freddie's name change was done legally or not, his name (Fredrick) appears on legal documentation as outlined by Seastian and there is recorded prove of him calling himself by that name.

As for runner-70's responses. . . It's all he is capable of. The guy's a fool.

Frddie’s death certificate showed his name as Frederick Mercury, and his Will is in the name of Freddie Mercury, both which would indicate he very possibly did change his name officially.