Queen + Genesis

...played together once in 1971 (January 9).

And according to this book released last year by Genesis' tour manager, that show was the night John Deacon met the rest of Queen - says Brian May.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36759481-my-book-of-genesis

He also says the story of Genesis trying to steal Roger isn't true, but suggests that Queen may have wanted to steal Phil Collins instead !


Now that we know how they would show up to gigs around 1970-71 with a made up story that they changed their name from Smile to Queen on the drive there (because they used the Smile name to book gigs, since it was an established name), I wouldn't put it past them to have made up that story about Genesis themselves. It wouldn't be the first time a struggling young band would do whatever it took to create a buzz (read: ZOMG GENESIS WANTED OUR DRUMMER, LOOK HOW GREAT WE ARE), and it wouldn't be the last.

Great find!! Interesting story.

Thank you for this indeed very interesting.

Interesting read, thanks. Glad the drummer swap never happened. Hmm, Phil Collins singing "Galileo".

Great post, it's stuff like this, infomation that members come across and share here, that makes this site interesting.

Queen related story's told from a different prospective can alway shed more light, or even a different light on some subjects.

Excellent, finally a decent post...
maybe we can get on a roll and have a few more like this without the usual crap.

So was the meeting with Deacon just by chance then? would love to know more about that.

^Crazy.

Whatever the truth really is, the final band lineup was the best for everyone involved IMO.

Then again, I think Phil Collins solo is superior to Genesis. I don't think Roger would have ever been anywhere as successful at any point in time by going solo, and Collins would have clashed with Freddie's or Brian's ego. Every Queen member does their best by keeping each other in check and never on their own.

[QUOTE] [b]Golden Salmon wrote:[/b]

I think Phil Collins solo is superior to Genesis.[/QUOTE]

Have you listened to Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway?

Spend six months with those albums, and reassess.

Face Value is a good album, but nothing else comes remotely close to the Gabriel years and A Trick Of The Tail.

^I'm most certainly biased as I grew up with Phil Collins and "...But Seriously", and then went on to really enjoy many of his own hits and album tracks. Naturally, I also explored Genesis and somehow it never really felt as interesting to me, or to my taste. Granted, I only listened to the hits and since they didn't make an impression on me, I stopped right there. I can hardly be objective when I don't know enough about either act.

[QUOTE] [b]Golden Salmon wrote:[/b]

^I'm most certainly biased as I grew up with Phil Collins and "...But Seriously", and then went on to really enjoy many of his own hits and album tracks. Naturally, I also explored Genesis and somehow it never really felt as interesting to me, or to my taste. Granted, I only listened to the hits and since they didn't make an impression on me, I stopped right there. I can hardly be objective when I don't know enough about either act.[/QUOTE]

Duke is a good album to start with then, as it's kind of a gateway to the earlier stuff. 1977 and earlier they were full on progressive rock - a whole different animal from what Phil became on his own. He didn't even write the material - it was mostly Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford holding the fort.

And then there's Brand X, where he flexed his chops as a drummer.

There's so much more to Phil than his schmaltzy pop hits. But I won't lie - a lot of the 1972-77 stuff is a pretty challenging listen. But like a lot of the best music, repeated listens are greatly rewarded. It is wonderful art.

If you like Queen II, then there's no reason why you shouldn't dig Selling England.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Have you listened to Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway?

Spend six months with those albums, and reassess.
[/QUOTE]

Is this the intense Genesis reeducation camp?

^ I'm in for that! Heheh

[QUOTE] [b]oligneisti wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Have you listened to Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway?

Spend six months with those albums, and reassess.
[/QUOTE]

Is this the intense Genesis reeducation camp?[/QUOTE]

Damn right it is, if you think Collins' solo catalog is better than Lamb. It's indefensible.

Mr Wizard mentioned Brand X. I never understood why Collins pursued the solo career he did, as Genesis became more commercial. I was hoping to hear more Brand X material or at least a more challenging solo style, kind of moving away from where most of the Genesis material was heading. His choice seemed to almost blur the lines between his solo work and that of the band.

I remained much more of a Gabrial fan than a Collins fan, and much more a fan of that early to mid 70's Genesis period than most of their 80's output.

Great live band, but in a very different way to the way Queen were.