The one thing Hot Space got right

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

I gave the wrong impression if I came across as saying using synths and machines renders a work mediocre. Using them so basically and so lazily is what renders it lacklustre.

Your opinion!

Yes, of course. Have I claimed otherwise?

Sebastian wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

I gave the wrong impression if I came across as saying using synths and machines renders a work mediocre. Using them so basically and so lazily is what renders it lacklustre.

Your opinion!

Yes, of course. Have I claimed otherwise?

Of course. You were eating Whimpy's hamburgers. There's no doubt you'd go against policy ;-)

I don't eat burgers...

Good to hear, because not eating burgers seems to be the only attribute that distinguish you from Mr.Right.
Except for your unmistakable signature - replying word by word when something does not fit in your schizophrenic scheme.
Although if all you have to say is "Better than what? ... So? ... Have I claimed otherwise?" then the trouble is for nothing.

Can you return to the topic with more articulate thoughts? Until now you said everybody knows Hot Space is mediocre. That is all?

Whereas your remarks on Let Me Live were so substantial and thought-provoking...

And where is Sebastian trolling, threatening, abusing and insulting? Because Mr Right does all those, and very frequently at that.

Seriously, is there any reason for your apparent bash-Sebastian quest? I don't agree with, or even like, everything he has to say, but at least he supports his views with reasonings and/or data. That I can respect. To equate him with Mr Right is utter BS and seriously lessens my respect for you. I did not previously have any opinion on you, but now I do.

And yes, that the use of synth drums and bass on Hot Space is dull and unoriginal (by the standards of 1982) is very much defensible, and that Hot Space is a mediocre album is not just the dominant view among Queen-fans, but among music enthusiasts in general.

Sebastian wrote:

The problem wasn't that they were following trends. The problem was that they did so with a mediocre record. . . . . .

. . . . 'Hot Space' took them a lot longer and cost them a lot more than 'Queen II' but it was quite poorly executed. They had a great drummer but largely replaced him (on the first side) with horrible computerised programming; they had a great bassist but largely replaced him (on the first side) with cheesynths. That was the problem.

. . .. . sometimes they did a mediocre job ('Hot Space').

It would be interesting, but almost impossible, to find out where those decisions came from.

Was it the band's choice during the writing and rehearsal stage or was it Mack's input and influence that lead them away from playing to their strengths. As has been mentioned already, those songs from Hot Space played live sounded better and certainly more organic (despite the use of Synth Bass on Staying Power) Live drums brought some life to the rhythm.

When it comes to "bullshit, bullshit, my post" attitude, Mr.AlwaysRight exceeds Mr.Right by far.

Queen fans are too biased, too immersed in the sound of the band from the 70's, to impartially judge Hot Space.
The dominant view of an already idiosyncratic group, who became more radical over time, is irrelevant to me.

What if "The Prophet's Song" is mediocre and "Back Chat" is brilliant?

Ah, yes. "I'm right, you're all idiots who are biased and radical."

How about providing an argument. You know, just for a change.

You're missing my point, and a few general points.
No one is idiot, having a bias isn't something shameful, and I can't be right or wrong as long as I only put a question.

I love Hot Space more than any 70's Queen album, and I've been listening to Queen on a steady basis for decades.

The Prophet's Song was ruined by the "and now I know, and now I know, and now I know, oooh-woah-oh-oh-oh" crap.

Well put, these are the words to use when speaking about Hot Space, "I love it" or "I hate it", not "it's a mediocre job", which may sound like a competent evaluation, but in fact speaks more of unfulfilled personal expectations than of the actual album value.

Maybe we were mediocre back in '82, with our unreasonable expectations and limited musical horizons.
I didn't love it nor hate it, just didn't comprehend it, it was like hitting a wall (of my ignorance probably).

As much as I think it’s the worst Queen album, I just brought it on vinyl in Japan.

So there you go.

I always went back and forth on what's Queen's worst album...Time has settled that for me, my opinion Hot Space Is that album...I don't love it or Hate It...but It's the album that aged the worst. Aside from Under Pressure there Is no standouts. The Works has The four singles, and I like Keep Passing The Open Windows, Is This The World That We Created was nice as well...I Go Crazy was a nice addition. Magic has the singles and Princes Of The Universe. Gimmie The Prize I like more than Put Out The Fire....The Miracle Is uneven as well, but has better tracks than Hot Space.

aristide1 wrote:

Good to hear, because not eating burgers seems to be the only attribute that distinguish you from Mr.Right.

Who?

aristide1 wrote:

Except for your unmistakable signature - replying word by word ...

I do not reply word by word. I reply sentence by sentence. A word is not a sentence. You may benefit from going back to primary school and learn the difference.

aristide1 wrote:

...when something does not fit in your schizophrenic scheme.

I'm not schizophrenic. Then again, if someone who can't understand the difference between 'word' and 'sentence' tries to diagnose someone else, is there any credibility left?

aristide1 wrote:

Although if all you have to say is "Better than what? ... So? ... Have I claimed otherwise?" then the trouble is for nothing.

I'm sure I've said more than that. Then again, you can't even understand the difference between 'word' and 'sentence', so it's not a big surprise you cannot read properly.

aristide1 wrote:

Can you return to the topic with more articulate thoughts?

Of course. I have. Some may agree, some may disagree, and that's fine.

aristide1 wrote:

Until now you said everybody knows Hot Space is mediocre.

I didn't at any point say that. Cor, you really cannot read at all!

aristide1 wrote:

That is all?

No. Then again, you seem to be utterly unable to understand any of that...

aristide1 wrote:

Well put, these are the words to use when speaking about Hot Space, "I love it" or "I hate it", not "it's a mediocre job"

Actually, all those three ('I love it', 'I hate it' and 'it's a mediocre job') are valid words to use.

aristide1 wrote:

in fact speaks more of unfulfilled personal expectations than of the actual album value.

Not quite - 'I love it' or 'I hate it' are more about personal expectations. Mediocrity, depending on how you define it, could be - for some extent - measured. Of course, not everybody would agree with said assessment, but it still doesn't mean it should be banned. And, yes, if anyone thinks 'The Prophet's Song' is mediocre, I don't see anything wrong with that: I disagree, but I'm not gonna whine and throw a pathetic tantrum over that like you do.

aristide1 wrote:

Maybe we were mediocre back in '82, with our unreasonable expectations and limited musical horizons.

That's not the definition of 'mediocre'. Then again, you can't even tell the difference between 'word' and 'sentence', so grasping the meaning of a term like 'mediocre' is certainly way out of your league.

aristide1 wrote:

I didn't love it nor hate it, just didn't comprehend it, it was like hitting a wall (of my ignorance probably).

Well, you don't comprehend loads of things, including primary-school-level vocabulary, so of course this (and many other things) would be way beyond you. Not a big shock.

I would be more than happy to counter your superb reasoning, but after you repeated "Then again, if someone who can't understand the difference between 'word' and 'sentence'..." 20 times I realized it's a bad moment.
Maybe some other time, when you will regain control of yourself.