Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?[/QUOTE]
But Freddie was not originally short for Frederick. It was a nickname.[/QUOTE]
+1
Just as if I went through customs and said my name was MATTY they'd ask "Ah, Matthew...two T's or one?"
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Dr Magus wrote:[/b]
Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?[/QUOTE]
Considering what some people call me on the internet just because I say 'Frederick', yeah. The fact he's named Frederick on his death certificate and the contracts with Trident (as 'Frederick Bulsara') and out of Trident (as 'Frederick Mercury') isn't enough - they just moan and whine and call me names because I write 'Frederick' instead of 'Freddie'.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Dr Magus wrote:[/b]
Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?[/QUOTE]
Considering what some people call me on the internet just because I say 'Frederick', yeah. The fact he's named Frederick on his death certificate and the contracts with Trident (as 'Frederick Bulsara') and out of Trident (as 'Frederick Mercury') isn't enough - they just moan and whine and call me names because I write 'Frederick' instead of 'Freddie'.[/QUOTE]
Internet bullies (just like real life bullies) don't like people who stand out from the crowd. They're easy prey, because they represent what they themselves want to be: interesting.
It's easier to break someone else down than to build oneself up.
Jeremy · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote
Internet bullies (just like real life bullies) don't like people who stand out from the crowd. They're easy prey, because they represent what they themselves want to be:
[/QUOTE]
It's why our beloved President Trump is getting so much undeserved flak.
This is really a historic document and I confess I had not actually given much thought as to how he became a British citizen. Besides "Frederick", it also clears up the Farookh/Farrokh/Farok debate. That was a good one, too.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jeremy wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote
Internet bullies (just like real life bullies) don't like people who stand out from the crowd. They're easy prey, because they represent what they themselves want to be:
[/QUOTE]
It's why our beloved President Trump is getting so much undeserved flak.[/QUOTE]
Your "beloved" president's disapproval rate is currently at 60%.
Also - leave politics out of music threads, please and thank you.
Wiley · Member since
I'll always find it annoying that people call Freddie Frederick. It's just not the norm - nobody called him that.
I still respect Sebastian for his insightful contributions to this forum and I've stopped calling those out as it's pointless and, I've since learned, he's factually correct.
But everytime I read Frederick I feel the same as if someone had called him FREDDY. (Eeek!)
That's my problem, though.
Actually I find it funny that it's now a running joke (i.e. calling John Johnerick)
Sebastian · Member since
'It's just not the norm' does not equal 'it's wrong'. The 'norm' was, for centuries, to hit and rape the woman you wanted, and/or to own her as property, that didn't make it right. The 'norm' has been, for ages, to elect corrupt politicians and to privilege the glorification of voluntary ignorance over doubt, research and inquiry.
'Freddie' is in the same category as 'Rog', 'Bri' and 'Jack': I don't see anything wrong with any of those, and I won't throw a fit if someone refers to them that way. It's just a matter of parallelism: either I call them all by shortened forms, or I call them all by the name as found on legal documents. It's not an obligation, it's a choice. A choice I'm happy to make.
So, yes: Robert Plant and James Page (instead of Bobby and Jimmy), Stephen Howe, Andrew Gibb, Michael Jackson (rather than 'Mike' or 'Mick') and so on. Subverted in that, reportedly, Ray Charles was in fact 'Ray' (rather than 'Raymond') on his birth certificate. Likewise, presumably, 'John' Deacon and 'John' Lennon were both named 'John' and not 'Jonathan' ('John Harris', on the other hand, was indeed 'Jonathan'). By the way, the English singer who did the 'Let Me Live' demo back in '83 was indeed named 'Roderick'!
For the same reason, I prefer sticking to actual names instead of nicknames: Philip Edney (not 'Spike'), John Brough (not 'Teddy Bear'), Saul Hudson (not 'Slash'), Stefani Germanotta (not 'Lady Gaga'). I don't mind people who had one birth name but changed it to something else: so I do refer to 'Elton John' as 'Elton John' and not 'Reginald Dwight' (or 'Reggie') - but that could potentially call into question my aforementioned chocies for 'Slash' and 'Lady Gaga'. Still, none of this is written on stone, so you can find me writing 'Bono', 'Sting' or 'Charlie Sheen' once in a while (though I try my best to refer to them as Paul Hewson, Gordon Sumner and Carlos Estévez, respectively), and that's absolutely fine - unlike some internet trolls, I won't throw a tantrum over that.
In fact, my signature states that 'Bo Rhap' (not 'Bohemian Rhapsody') hasn't got 180 vox (not 'vocals'), which is true by the way - but I did it to save characters. I made another conscious choice: I'd rather keep 'Frederick' (not in small part to annoy those wankers who seem to then lose their minds - if they ever had minds to begin with) and shorten 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'vocals' instead.
By the way, I seem to remember at least one instance of Roger (not Rog) having penned a letter to the Fan Club and spelling the shortened form of Frederick's name as 'Freddy'. So there!
Star* · Member since
Melina Mercury to the close friends not Fred or Freddy.
matt z · Member since
Oh God. ....u got it started.
Must be a slow day for news.
emrabt · Member since
What about Meatloaf?
Marvin Aday?
Meat loaf aday?
Michael Aday?
Meat Loaf?
Lee Aday?
Meat Loaf Lee Aday?
YourValentine · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
'It's just not the norm' does not equal 'it's wrong'. The 'norm' was, for centuries, to hit and rape the woman you wanted, and/or to own her as property, that didn't make it right. The 'norm' has been, for ages, to elect corrupt politicians and to privilege the glorification of voluntary ignorance over doubt, research and inquiry.
'Freddie' is in the same category as 'Rog', 'Bri' and 'Jack': I don't see anything wrong with any of those, and I won't throw a fit if someone refers to them that way. It's just a matter of parallelism: either I call them all by shortened forms, or I call them all by the name as found on legal documents. It's not an obligation, it's a choice. A choice I'm happy to make.
So, yes: Robert Plant and James Page (instead of Bobby and Jimmy), Stephen Howe, Andrew Gibb, Michael Jackson (rather than 'Mike' or 'Mick') and so on. Subverted in that, reportedly, Ray Charles was in fact 'Ray' (rather than 'Raymond') on his birth certificate. Likewise, presumably, 'John' Deacon and 'John' Lennon were both named 'John' and not 'Jonathan' ('John Harris', on the other hand, was indeed 'Jonathan'). By the way, the English singer who did the 'Let Me Live' demo back in '83 was indeed named 'Roderick'!
For the same reason, I prefer sticking to actual names instead of nicknames: Philip Edney (not 'Spike'), John Brough (not 'Teddy Bear'), Saul Hudson (not 'Slash'), Stefani Germanotta (not 'Lady Gaga'). I don't mind people who had one birth name but changed it to something else: so I do refer to 'Elton John' as 'Elton John' and not 'Reginald Dwight' (or 'Reggie') - but that could potentially call into question my aforementioned chocies for 'Slash' and 'Lady Gaga'. Still, none of this is written on stone, so you can find me writing 'Bono', 'Sting' or 'Charlie Sheen' once in a while (though I try my best to refer to them as Paul Hewson, Gordon Sumner and Carlos Estévez, respectively), and that's absolutely fine - unlike some internet trolls, I won't throw a tantrum over that.
In fact, my signature states that 'Bo Rhap' (not 'Bohemian Rhapsody') hasn't got 180 vox (not 'vocals'), which is true by the way - but I did it to save characters. I made another conscious choice: I'd rather keep 'Frederick' (not in small part to annoy those wankers who seem to then lose their minds - if they ever had minds to begin with) and shorten 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'vocals' instead.
By the way, I seem to remember at least one instance of Roger (not Rog) having penned a letter to the Fan Club and spelling the shortened form of Frederick's name as 'Freddy'. So there![/QUOTE]
Nice post, Seb :-)
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Wiley wrote:[/b]
I'll always find it annoying that people call Freddie Frederick. It's just not the norm - nobody called him that.
I still respect Sebastian for his insightful contributions to this forum and I've stopped calling those out as it's pointless and, I've since learned, he's factually correct.
But everytime I read Frederick I feel the same as if someone had called him FREDDY. (Eeek!)
That's my problem, though.
Actually I find it funny that it's now a running joke (i.e. calling John Johnerick)
[/QUOTE]
Thes Sebastian guy wants to look clever by calling Freddie Frederick when NOBODY called him that not even his mother. He is just an attention whore.
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
'It's just not the norm' does not equal 'it's wrong'. The 'norm' was, for centuries, to hit and rape the woman you wanted, and/or to own her as property, that didn't make it right. The 'norm' has been, for ages, to elect corrupt politicians and to privilege the glorification of voluntary ignorance over doubt, research and inquiry.
'Freddie' is in the same category as 'Rog', 'Bri' and 'Jack': I don't see anything wrong with any of those, and I won't throw a fit if someone refers to them that way. It's just a matter of parallelism: either I call them all by shortened forms, or I call them all by the name as found on legal documents. It's not an obligation, it's a choice. A choice I'm happy to make.
So, yes: Robert Plant and James Page (instead of Bobby and Jimmy), Stephen Howe, Andrew Gibb, Michael Jackson (rather than 'Mike' or 'Mick') and so on. Subverted in that, reportedly, Ray Charles was in fact 'Ray' (rather than 'Raymond') on his birth certificate. Likewise, presumably, 'John' Deacon and 'John' Lennon were both named 'John' and not 'Jonathan' ('John Harris', on the other hand, was indeed 'Jonathan'). By the way, the English singer who did the 'Let Me Live' demo back in '83 was indeed named 'Roderick'!
For the same reason, I prefer sticking to actual names instead of nicknames: Philip Edney (not 'Spike'), John Brough (not 'Teddy Bear'), Saul Hudson (not 'Slash'), Stefani Germanotta (not 'Lady Gaga'). I don't mind people who had one birth name but changed it to something else: so I do refer to 'Elton John' as 'Elton John' and not 'Reginald Dwight' (or 'Reggie') - but that could potentially call into question my aforementioned chocies for 'Slash' and 'Lady Gaga'. Still, none of this is written on stone, so you can find me writing 'Bono', 'Sting' or 'Charlie Sheen' once in a while (though I try my best to refer to them as Paul Hewson, Gordon Sumner and Carlos Estévez, respectively), and that's absolutely fine - unlike some internet trolls, I won't throw a tantrum over that.
In fact, my signature states that 'Bo Rhap' (not 'Bohemian Rhapsody') hasn't got 180 vox (not 'vocals'), which is true by the way - but I did it to save characters. I made another conscious choice: I'd rather keep 'Frederick' (not in small part to annoy those wankers who seem to then lose their minds - if they ever had minds to begin with) and shorten 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'vocals' instead.
By the way, I seem to remember at least one instance of Roger (not Rog) having penned a letter to the Fan Club and spelling the shortened form of Frederick's name as 'Freddy'. So there![/QUOTE]
Did it ever come to your small mind that a person has a nickname because he likes it?? Or is it too much for your non existing intelligence? DO you call your friends (if you have any) also by their "official" name you idiot?
emrabt · Member since
And he's stealing it from you!
oligneisti · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Did it ever come to your small mind that a person has a nickname because he likes it?? Or is it too much for your non existing intelligence? DO you call your friends (if you have any) also by their "official" name you idiot?
[/QUOTE]
He has a preference. You don't have to like it but you can also just ignore it. I would never call Freddie Frederick but Sebastian has never tried to coerce me to use that name. Sebastian, on the other hand, has provided interesting information on Queen through the years and for that I am thankful.
