(1:09:07) (when asked about reactions to the movie)
BM: I think some of it is a misconception. I think some people thought it was supposed to be a documentary, and it’s not. So they start picking holes and saying, you know, “This is compressed and this is in the wrong order.” That’s not what a film is about. You know, the film is about trying to find an inner truth in a sequence of events, whereas a documentary is just stringing the events together and bits of film from the time. So I think there’s a bit of a misconception.[/QUOTE]
Inner truth my ass. The film lies no matter how you twist and turn it . And May is shown as the saint while Freddie is shown as a jerk. Full stop. Thats what this awful movie is showing. And May is getting on my nerves. He clearly lost it.
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Why is The Works tour lowpoint?????
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-Sun City
-their show became stale in their eyes
-they were on the verge of breaking up, not least because of the tensions from Mercury having gotten a 3x bigger advance for his solo album than the band got for The Works
It's not far fetched to suggest that had Live Aid not happened they may well have called it quits in 85.
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Holy shit - as I expected - the movie and the lies has its effects. The solo album advance was NEVER EVER any issue. And The WOrks tour was awesome.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Why is The Works tour lowpoint?????
[/QUOTE]
-Sun City
-their show became stale in their eyes
-they were on the verge of breaking up, not least because of the tensions from Mercury having gotten a 3x bigger advance for his solo album than the band got for The Works
It's not far fetched to suggest that had Live Aid not happened they may well have called it quits in 85.
[/QUOTE]
Holy shit - as I expected - the movie and the lies has its effects. The solo album advance was NEVER EVER any issue. And The WOrks tour was awesome.
[/QUOTE]
This stuff was known and spoken about years before the film came out.
Money was a source of competition and conflict between the band members from the day they started making money until circa 1988.
By 1984-85 Queen was falling apart (and not just because of Sun City), travelling in separate limos to gigs. It was all business. And then Mercury hired a guitarist to sound like Brian for his solo album. You think that didn't create further friction? Then his album bombed, which cost Columbia a pile of money, and they dropped him (it was supposed to be a two album deal). You'd better bet your life he went crying back to the band with his tail between his legs. If anything, the film didn't go far enough in depicting this.
The fact that the band played well on stage says nothing about the internal state of affairs at the time. Live Aid was a second lease on life for them. The entire experience humbled Mercury, and the happy scenes you see in the videos for One Vision hadn't existed for years.
Sorry / not sorry if all this ruins your rose tinted view. Being a fan of a band means accepting their story warts and all - not just your own personal version of it that filters out the inconvenient truths.
Rami · Member since
@runner_70: You are spot on. I agree with every aspect of your statements.
@The Real Wizard: I have been on this forum for many years now (mostly quiet) and always read your posts with great interest and a large amount of respect. In fact, to me you are one of the most prominent and important experts on this forum. So I cannot believe that you have fallen for this giant hoax that is the "Bohemian Rhapsody" movie. It is so obvious full of Brian May and his, let's say very special view of truth that he should be ashamed.
Perhaps you shouldn't take the Freddie Mercury documentary "The Great Pretender" too seriously. It was the obvious blueprint of the storyline of the movie. Out of the blue, everybody slams Paul Prenter, as he is needed as the big villain in the movie. And Freddie crawling back to Queen "with his tail between his legs" (what a ridiculous phrase by Jim Beach!) after Mr. Bad Guy. Yeah, that was very clever plot hatching. Historical revisionism on two levels (documentary and movie).
And to be honest with you, I think you know that very well, because it doesn't take that much intelligence to get it. However, for some reason you feel the need to defend Brian May on this forum, probably because you think (or know) that some "official people" are visiting this forum and reading the posts. OK, that is your choice. But I think it is every Freddie Mercury fan's duty to openly speak out, as the movie is damaging his legacy, imprinting a totally false (and negative!) image of him into people's minds.
Rami · Member since
Concerning the Works Tour: Roger himself has stated it as one of his favourite tours.
Rami · Member since
As far as I know, Freddie wanted to release the Barcelona album on Parlophone and therefore Parlohphone bought Freddie out of the contract with Columbia (who happily agreed). So when do you think Columbia "dropped" him to make Freddie "crying back to the band"? A couple of weeks after the release of "Mr. Bad Guy"? It doesn't fit into the given time-frame.
Actually, Mr. Bad Guy was a small success in Europe, if you check the charts. In 1985, the first three singles off the album were played indeed on German radio with I Was Born To Love You being a well-known hit. In fact, I became a fan through these singles as a twelve-year-old (turning thirteen). Also, the album itself was not unheard of at all.
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Rami wrote:[/b]
@runner_70: You are spot on. I agree in every aspect of your statements.
@The Real Wizard: I have been on this forum for many years now (mostly quiet) and always read your posts with great interest and a large amount of respect. In fact, to me you are one of the most prominent and important experts on this forum. So I cannot believe that you have fallen for this giant hoax that is the "Bohemian Rhapsody" movie. It is so obvious full of Brian May and his, let's say very special view of truth that he should be ashamed.
Perhaps you shouldn't take the Freddie Mercury documentary "The Great Pretender" too seriously. It was the obvious blueprint of the storyline of the movie. Out of the blue, everybody slams Paul Prenter, as he is needed as the big villain in the movie. And Freddie crawling back to Queen "with his tail between his legs" (what a ridiculous phrase by Jim Beach!) after Mr. Bad Guy. Yeah, that was very clever plot hatching. Historical revisionism on two levels (documentary and movie).
And to be honest with you, I think you know that very well, because it doesn't take that much intelligence to get it. However, for some reason you feel the need to defend Brian May on this forum, probably because you think (or know) that some "official people" are visiting this forum and reading the posts. OK, that is your choice. But I think it is every Freddie Mercury fan's duty to openly speak out, as the movie is damaging his legacy, imprinting a totally false (and negative!) image of him into people's minds.
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SPot on - I fear it is too late. Lots are buying the lies in this movie and the real Queen story will fade away. Sad but true
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Why is The Works tour lowpoint?????
[/QUOTE]
-Sun City
-their show became stale in their eyes
-they were on the verge of breaking up, not least because of the tensions from Mercury having gotten a 3x bigger advance for his solo album than the band got for The Works
It's not far fetched to suggest that had Live Aid not happened they may well have called it quits in 85.
[/QUOTE]
Holy shit - as I expected - the movie and the lies has its effects. The solo album advance was NEVER EVER any issue. And The WOrks tour was awesome.
[/QUOTE]
This stuff was known and spoken about years before the film came out.
Money was a source of competition and conflict between the band members from the day they started making money until circa 1988.
By 1984-85 Queen was falling apart (and not just because of Sun City), travelling in separate limos to gigs. It was all business. And then Mercury hired a guitarist to sound like Brian for his solo album. You think that didn't create further friction? Then his album bombed, which cost Columbia a pile of money, and they dropped him (it was supposed to be a two album deal). You'd better bet your life he went crying back to the band with his tail between his legs. If anything, the film didn't go far enough in depicting this.
The fact that the band played well on stage says nothing about the internal state of affairs at the time. Live Aid was a second lease on life for them. The entire experience humbled Mercury, and the happy scenes you see in the videos for One Vision hadn't existed for years.
Sorry / not sorry if all this ruins your rose tinted view. Being a fan of a band means accepting their story warts and all - not just your own personal version of it that filters out the inconvenient truths.
[/QUOTE]
You either have no clue about Queen at all or you really believe the crap you have just written. Or you have Brian May dementia. I guess The Works tour did not happen before Live Aid right?They had a 2 year break right?
RobbyBloodshed · Member since
Mr Bad Guy gets so much hate and is called a flop, time after time.
These numbers are great for ANY artist. Forget comparing it Queen. You surely can say “I personally don’t like it, it didn’t have Queen production, it is synth oriented”. That’s purely opinion....On the other hand, numbers don’t lie. It did well. It has catchy tunes that obviously the rest of Queen liked enough to have on MiH. (Brian must have really hated Mr Bad Guy, at that time....as he willingly went to the final mix listening, as seen in the picture.)
https://www.facebook.com/tenement66/photos/a.610196542352832/2096540440385094/?type=3
Mr Bad Guy gets so much hate and is called a flop, time after time.
These numbers are great for ANY artist. Forget comparing it Queen. You surely can say “I personally don’t like it, it didn’t have Queen production, it is synth oriented”. That’s purely opinion....On the other hand, numbers don’t lie. It did well. It has catchy tunes that obviously the rest of Queen liked enough to have on MiH. (Brian must have really hated Mr Bad Guy, at that time....as he willingly went to the final mix listening, as seen in the picture.)
https://www.facebook.com/tenement66/photos/a.610196542352832/2096540440385094/?type=3
Great posting. Guess he forgot the listening Session as well
bucsateflon · Member since
It was supposed to do better than Queen, or else there was no point to go solo...
AlbaNo1 · Member since
Brian as an artist has hardly created anything at all in the last 20 years in music.
A lot of his output in any medium , such as Queen in 3D, takes from what has already been created.
Brian must be fully aware of the timelines leading up to Live Aid. It’s not like it’s an off the top of the head recollection he made at short notice. Given the years that have gone in to deciding how to make the movie it would be uppermost in his mind.
Rami · Member since
German Album Charts:
1985 Mr. Bad Guy - Peak 11 / 21 Weeks
German Single Charts:
1985 I Was Born To Love You - Peak 17 / 13 Weeks
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b]
It was supposed to do better than Queen, or else there was no point to go solo...[/QUOTE]
What? Which sane person /record executive expects a solo album doing better than the main band. Almost never the case. Mr Bad Guy only flopped in America. Queen flopped in America since Hot SPace. So what?
