[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Oh the truth comes out. You want me to shut up, do you. Good luck with that. I won't be shutting up on your say so.
You are the one throwing fits if you see Freddie's name being discussed in here. All the while, AL is making money from singing songs Freddie helped create. Funny how that goes for you. I guess you must be concerned that it's not only AL keeping Freddie's and Queen's legacy alive. Already the biopic has done wonders for it. I wonder who people will be talking about years from now? Lambert singing Queen cover songs, or the biopic? Already the biopic has made history and has turned many people into Queen fans.
What are you on? Yes, I became a Queen fan after Freddie passed as did many others. I'm not ashamed of it. Does that bother you that I wasn't a fan before Freddie passed somehow? At least I can say I'm a fan of Freddie's and Queen's, damn more than I can say about you or sweetcaroline.
No one is bigging AL up you say? Are you blind or just dumb? What do you make of sweetcaroline saying she thinks AL is more creative and original than Sinatra and Como? That's bigging AL up in case you can't tell.
What to do you have to say about sweetcaroline linking to personal private stuff regards AL? A pic with a very young child, a link to his godson, and a link to a pic of his mother getting married? Of course, you see nothing wrong with that. But it's rich coming from you calling me obessed and that I have a Freddie delusion, oh the irony. Since you are sweetcaroline's spokesperson and defender, maybe...and you actually should ask her why she posts what she does at times. I know she posted more than once she thinks AL as a second son, and then turns around to say how gorgeous, sexy beast, he is. That's not healthy for anyone while on that topic. When I do the exact same things about Freddie, what sweetcaroline does for AL, and when I post post everything I can find about Freddie, then you can say I'm obessed and have a Freddie delusion. Alas, my dear, you couldn't find it if you tried, because I haven't done it. It's so much easier for you to turn the tables on me and to try to ream me out. All you prove is that you want and need things done your way to suit you and sweetcaroline's way.
Yes, I admire and respect Freddie. The man's talent and guts is still what stands out to me the most. If that's a problem for you, and it's clear it is, that's your problem. Do I like AL? Sure I do. I don't fawn or lust over everything the guy has done or is currently doing.
You have the gall to come screeching at me on a Queen board throwing your crap because of your many issues with me, and you wouldn't be here at all if not for AL singing the Queen songs. [/QUOTE]
I agree. They are behaving like extremists.
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Singers back in the day weren't really creative and original. They stood up there and sang, usually songs other people wrote. Even if they wrote some songs, they didn't worry about costumes and lighting and themes and every other thing that goes into a show nowadays, as they didn't have to. No, I don't think they were especially creative or original because they didn't have to be. I do think Adam is very creative in all ways except song writing. That is not what he is particularly good at, so far. I like him singing Queen best. His solo music is OK and I listen to it for his voice. I think there are other types of music his voice is better suited to. His voice singing Queen's fabulous music is a marriage made in heaven for MY ears. I am not talking about anyone else. His voice gives me chills like a few opera singers I love and that is why I admire him. I also like him as a human being. He seems like a nice man who no one ever has anything but nice things to say about. That is also unusual in this day and age.
I don't bring things over (just once or twice) and I don't post pics, tweets, etc. I am not that invested other than I see him once in every tour (his own and QAL). I am a fan of the voice, not a crazy follow him everywhere and on twitter,etc. I don't do that. I get pleasure out of the music he sings. I just get annoyed when I see all the bashing of him and absolutely ugly things that are said. It isn't fair and it isn't right and you are one of the big offenders. You give him zero credit. If you don't think his singing with Queen has garnered a lot of new fans in the last 6 years, you are not very bright. I think you just don't want Adam getting any credit, as usual. The biopic is wonderful for Queen and so is QAL. There is a reason each tour has gotten bigger and is usually close to sold out. No other singer could accomplish that with Queen as no one has the range to sing the entire catalog like Adam. Think what you like, but I disagree.[/QUOTE]
I disagree because there were singers from back in the day who were creative and original. Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Aretha Franklin to name three examples. More recently, Jagger, Bowie and Mercury were also consideried original and creative. Many before those artists too. AL isn't original. Take his recent 'hippie' photoshoot which has him wearing clothes that were a big part of 60s and 70s fashion...nothing original there.
AL's songwriting isn't his strong suit. For the past while, he's been pretty focused on covers songs, everything from Queen covers to Cher covers. I'm not just saying this as a Queen fan, but as someone who actually likes some of AL's solo music...I'd hate for the guy to be known as the guy who has sang cover songs more than his solo music. Take the most recent event, there was more cover songs he sang than his own music. His own choice to do it that way apparently. I think it's a shame he had nothing new to sing there, what a way it would be to get the gears grinding for his upcoming solo music, that's how I look at it. If that's being negative, Debbie Downer and a hater to AL in your eyes, so be it.
I'm glad...and honestly relieved that you aren't the type to track and follow AL's every move, onstage and especially off stage. I have mentioned this before that I read Adamtopia every now and then, and the way AL's movements are followed, even what he likes on social media...that's a bit unsettling. Even more unsettling is when certain things are brought to Queen boards, yes the personal moments and pics that sweetcaroline is known to bring up on Queen boards. It's mind boggling to me. I swear if you could ever find me doing what sweetcaroline has done, and for years, yes call me obessed and that I have a Freddie delusion. I haven't done any of that type of thing, but it's tit for tat and you want to defend sweetcaroline no matter what she posts. Got it. She can do no wrong in your eyes, and I'm always wrong in your eyes.
I haven't bashed AL lately, unless my comments about the most recent event and AL riding on coattails was bashing in your eyes. I'm not the type ( to say the least ) to think everything is sunshine and rainbows, sorry that's not me. Of course, I get called negative, a hater, that I hate AL, Debbie Downer, whatever you can think to throw around about me. But you see, that's not me either, I'm not always negative, and nor am I always postive. Things aren't so black and white. You pretty much have proved here again tonight you want me to shut up to suit and appease you. Also that you have me pegged that no matter what I post, will not be good or acceptable enough. I don't post to suit anyone. If I hate something I will say so, if I like or love something I will say that as well.
I understand that you like and admire AL. Believe me or not, so do I, I just don't fawn over everything the guy says and does. It's not simply black and white. But do I hate AL? Nope.
I do respect and admire Freddie, you bet I do, but I'm not a stepford when it comes to him. Freddie has left the world with such a legacy, that it's in no danger of disappearing any time soon. Its because of the biopic the music is such a big deal right now. It's not because of Lambert. I'm sorry, but not really sorry that you seeing Freddie's name mentioned in this sub forum gets to you that much. I won't be sorry for doing it, or being his fan. It's a shame to me, at least two people come here and don't bother to look more into his career, or bother to discuss him. All the while saying AL is God's gift, the only one who can do Freddie justice, carry Freddie's torch, etc etc.
Range has never meant much to me, but the emotion in the music and vocals is what matters to me. Freddie definitely had it, no doubt. The emotion in the lyrics and how he sang certain things, is amazing. Take the last couple of Queen albums. I'll say it right now, it's bloody awe inspiring what Freddie and the other guys did with the music. Of all the things you and sweetcaroline miss out on by being so focused on AL, is the music and the legacy of the man who did more than pave the way for Lambert. Freddie literally wrote, sang and put together a good chunk of the music AL has been singing for years now with Brian and Roger. Think about that next time you think there is too much Freddie on message boards or in Q+AL shows and you want to try to ream me out for my views on Freddie.
Yes, you want me to shut up and change how I feel about AL to suit you. That's what it boils down to. Only the music itself can change my mind, and definitely someone who has an ax to grind about me won't change my mind. It is really alarming how angry and upset you become at me. It's not just a one time thing either. Almost every time you post here, you become angry/upset at me. You want to try to turn tables on me, saying I'm obessed about Freddie etc. It's views I post on a message board, nothing I post should end up bothering you as much as it obviously does. The more you post and your strong reactions towards me, the more I think Queen boards aren't for you. I don't plan on going away, shutting up, changing how I feel, to suit your needs and wants. It was a damn power trip you were on when you first started to post here a year or so ago...and you still are on it by the looks of things.
You guys were comparing Adam to CROONERS, which is an entirely different animal than rock and rollers and the people you listed above. I was only talking about Sinatra and Como in comparison to Adam. I thought that was the discussion. Buble was also thrown in there and while he is a lovely man with a wonderful Christmas show, it is like one from the 1970's. therefore I don't put him on the creative list either. He pretty much copies all of the crooner's songs from years ago. I hardly call that original but I can enjoy people singing who aren't original like him. It is all about the voice. The originality, whether they wrote the music, don't mean squat if the vocals are lacking. And for me the vocals are never lacking when Adam sings. Whether or not you believe it, I listen to lots of different kinds of music and a lot of classical and opera and that is my yard stick. Adam compare more than favorably with those kind of singers. For me it is all about the voice, not all the other side things which some of you are so concerned about. Different view points, I guess!
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
You guys were comparing Adam to CROONERS, which is an entirely different animal than rock and rollers and the people you listed above. I was only talking about Sinatra and Como in comparison to Adam. I thought that was the discussion. Buble was also thrown in there and while he is a lovely man with a wonderful Christmas show, it is like one from the 1970's. therefore I don't put him on the creative list either. He pretty much copies all of the crooner's songs from years ago. I hardly call that original but I can enjoy people singing who aren't original like him. It is all about the voice. The originality, whether they wrote the music, don't mean squat if the vocals are lacking. And for me the vocals are never lacking when Adam sings. Whether or not you believe it, I listen to lots of different kinds of music and a lot of classical and opera and that is my yard stick. Adam compare more than favorably with those kind of singers. For me it is all about the voice, not all the other side things which some of you are so concerned about. Different view points, I guess![/QUOTE]
Sweetcaroline was the one compairng AL to crooners. She's the one who brought it up, because she feels AL is more original and creative than Sinatra and Como. Do go back and read it, it's all still there.
I get that you like AL for his voice. He's not to everyone's taste, hell nor is Freddie for that matter.
For Freddie, I put all of his talent together, his song writing, his piano playing, his vocals, his onstage ability to achieve what he and Queen achieved and honestly it's pretty incredible what he and the other guys came up with. AL has released three medicore albums, nothing groundbreaking on it. He doesn't play instruments, his main thing is his voice. And he uses that mainly to sing other people's music.
Put a sock in it, icy, I said Sinatra and Como did not write their own songs and then I posted a link to all of the songs written by Sammy Cahn and Jimmy Van Heusen.
I did not diss them as singers of those songs.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Put a sock in it, icy, I said Sinatra and Como did not write their own songs and then I posted a link to all of the songs written by Sammy Cahn and Jimmy Van Heusen.
I did not diss them as singers of those songs.
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You need some music and artist appreciation. You specifically said AL is more creative than Sinatra and Como. Why do you feel AL is more creative and original than those two legends, do tell. Or put a sock in it before you rush to big up Lambert.
You think because Sinatra and Como didn't write the songs they sang, that it makes AL more creative and original than them. Has AL been a part of a ground breaking musical movement? Has he ever been groundbreaking on TV? Has he sold the amount of albums Sinatra and Como has? Has AL's career lasted as long as Sinatra's and Como's Short answer, no he hasn't done any of that. And of course you think AL is more original and creative, but based on what exactly?
Icy, I second Caroline, put a sock in it! You keep changing the parameters of the discussion and what was originally said. You are the one always talking about Adam not writing songs, therefore, he is not creative. It is not his sweat and blood in them, but Freddies's. Great! But most of the crooners didn't write their music and as far as creative or original, yea, I think Adam is an extremely creative individual from his staging of shows, his wardrobe, his ideas about what he would like to do. He is into fashion and seems to think a lot about presentation. You can't reinvent the wheel at some point. We have already had a meat dress, a singer who hides her face in ridiculous mask things and people singing on trapezes. There isn't much left anymore, Icy. Of course, artists are going to do things that have already been done. Writing a song is not the only measure of creativity, but I do think the crooners just sang because that is what they did back then, so I can't gauge how creative a Crosby or Como really was. They were extremely successful and well known, but I can't comment on their creativity. I do know that Adam is very creative based on my definition, which differs from person to person.
PS Adam was sure groundbreaking on TV! Remember that out there AMA performance that almost tanked his career? Most folks are not going to forget that one, so check in the box for that!! So being groundbreaking isn't always positive, either! It is useless to discuss this because you keep changing the discussion and you think he is not. Great, I do not care, I happen tho think otherwise. I also think at the end of the day, Adam will be remembered which is more than most singers can ever say. As long as he is happy and making good money what more does there need to be? I wouldn't say the poor Freddie could possible have been happy! Is it worth it?
Thanks, snifflese! I’m done with this conversation because it is pointless. Adam is the current front man of the current configuration of Queen and that is that no matter who likes it and who doesn’t.
I have too much to do to get ready for Christmas and out of town visitors to waste my time with brain dead zombies who thrive on negativity and trouble.
If I am in the Lambert “bubble” at least it is a nice, warm, happy one!
I invite all the unhappy crybabies to join me! Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! :-). :-). :-). :-). :-)
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
Thanks, snifflese! I’m done with this conversation because it is pointless. Adam is the current front man of the current configuration of Queen and that is that no matter who likes it and who doesn’t.
I have too much to do to get ready for Christmas and out of town visitors to waste my time with brain dead zombies who thrive on negativity and trouble.
If I am in the Lambert “bubble” at least it is a nice, warm, happy one!
I invite all the unhappy crybabies to join me! Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! :-). :-). :-). :-). :-)
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No, you are done because you can't even explain why you think AL is more original and creative than Sinatra and Como. You don't even have any thought of your own to even try to back it up. What, no copying and pasting tweets and articles to back you up and try to prove how you are 'right' this time?
You are in an AL bubble. Must be lonely in there being so focused only on him, and nothing else. I pity the guy having a "fan" like you. You think your views and the ones that agree with your views, are the only ones that matter. You want Queen boards as your personal playground to big up and promote AL, while saying Queen fans are homophobic and that's why AL isn't accepted. No damn wonder why you are now under your thrid or fourth ban from QOL. You are currently under a year long ban. What the hell does that say about you? You throw fits when you can't get your own way, and you are so quick to call people as negative and crybabies...and you are a cry baby yourselfz the biggest one I have come across on the internet. You are 70+ years old, one would think you would know better, but if you don't by now, you are never gonna learn. Your head is so far up AL's ass, it's not funny. It's shocking actually. You aren't so positive yourself, if at all. Oh boo hoo, AL didn't get nominated for this or that, he didn't win for this or that, he didn't get to pay tribute to Bowie and George Michael on award shows, his music doesn't get played because AL is gay, he doesn't sell as much as certain other artists,...all the things you have gnashed your teeth about.
Maybe Santa can bring you a new pair of dentures, or glasses. Common sense would be great too!
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Icy, I second Caroline, put a sock in it! You keep changing the parameters of the discussion and what was originally said. You are the one always talking about Adam not writing songs, therefore, he is not creative. It is not his sweat and blood in them, but Freddies's. Great! But most of the crooners didn't write their music and as far as creative or original, yea, I think Adam is an extremely creative individual from his staging of shows, his wardrobe, his ideas about what he would like to do. He is into fashion and seems to think a lot about presentation. You can't reinvent the wheel at some point. We have already had a meat dress, a singer who hides her face in ridiculous mask things and people singing on trapezes. There isn't much left anymore, Icy. Of course, artists are going to do things that have already been done. Writing a song is not the only measure of creativity, but I do think the crooners just sang because that is what they did back then, so I can't gauge how creative a Crosby or Como really was. They were extremely successful and well known, but I can't comment on their creativity. I do know that Adam is very creative based on my definition, which differs from person to person.
PS Adam was sure groundbreaking on TV! Remember that out there AMA performance that almost tanked his career? Most folks are not going to forget that one, so check in the box for that!! So being groundbreaking isn't always positive, either! It is useless to discuss this because you keep changing the discussion and you think he is not. Great, I do not care, I happen tho think otherwise. I also think at the end of the day, Adam will be remembered which is more than most singers can ever say. As long as he is happy and making good money what more does there need to be? I wouldn't say the poor Freddie could possible have been happy! Is it worth it?[/QUOTE]
No dear, not on your say so I won't be putting a sock in it, or shutting up, and I know that's exactly what you are after.
I don't think you and sweetcaroline would recongise creativity and originality from anyone who isn't Lambert.
You think a same sex kiss that AL did on an awards show was groundbreaking? Erm, it wasn't. Shock value for some, I'm sure, but groundbreaking? Nope.
What will AL be remembered for, genuine question for you? His solo music or the covers he has done?
AL will be remembered for courageously defying assholes like you!
It was groundbreaking, dearie, first time there was man on man in a prime time show. Everyone remembers it unfortunately, but it doesn't fit your own very limited agenda, speaking of agenda. It remains to be seen as he is still a young man. Seems to me that Freddie's halo has been shined since he departed. He certainly wasn't held in high esteem back in the day. They were considered weird, different and then there was the unspoken gay thing. Freddie did not have the world wide acclaim back then that he has now. So, you just never know what remains to be seen. I do recognize creativity and originality, but you have a built in bias that does not allow you to see it in Adam. Therefore, There is no point to this discussion. You have your story and I don't agree with it.
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
It was groundbreaking, dearie, first time there was man on man in a prime time show. Everyone remembers it unfortunately, but it doesn't fit your own very limited agenda, speaking of agenda. It remains to be seen as he is still a young man. Seems to me that Freddie's halo has been shined since he departed. He certainly wasn't held in high esteem back in the day. They were considered weird, different and then there was the unspoken gay thing. Freddie did not have the world wide acclaim back then that he has now. So, you just never know what remains to be seen. I do recognize creativity and originality, but you have a built in bias that does not allow you to see it in Adam. Therefore, There is no point to this discussion. You have your story and I don't agree with it. [/QUOTE]
Not quite groundbreaking. It was done for shock value, spur of the moment IIRC. I've seen same sex kisses by males on TV before that.
Queen were legendary for Bohemian Rhapsody, Hyde Park, South American shows, Live Aid before Freddie passed away. Need I go on? Point is, many things Freddie and Queen did made history and was legendary while Freddie was alive. Don't try to make it seem only since he passed away, that he has that status.
Does it bother you in recent years that Freddie is held in high regard? He didn't have it easy especially in his last years. Even so, he kept on working and singing his heart out. And yes, I respect all of that, and so much more no matter how weird, freaky, some people thought he was while he was still alive.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
AL will be remembered for courageously defying assholes like you!
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Alrighty then.
You are incapable of discussing things rationally. How has he 'courageously defied assholes like me'? TwoFux? Sorry, he didn't even write that by himself, it took four other writers as well as AL to come up with it.
I just hope the guy never has to deal with some of what Freddie dealt with. That's the definition of courage, not some guy who wears heels while riding a bike onstage that you think brave. Remember when you posted that on QOL? You say I'm an asshole, while your own head is firmly up AL's ass. I'd rather you think of me as an asshole any day, than where your head is always at.
There is the big Freddie hang up!!! Everything in the world does not revolve around Freddie, even if it does in your world. People don't compare the original to QAL for flaws. They just go to be entertained and enjoy the concert. They want to see a front man who is fun and has a fabulous voice and see world famous rock musicians and icons. It is not much deeper than that for normal people. For people like you who can't get their own head out of their own butt, that is your problem, not mine or the millions who go and love the show, Adam, Roger, and Brian. That is enough for 99% of the population. You can live in your never never land and commiserate with poor Freddie while your life passes in misery, because that is what it sounds like to me.
