I respect you on here and it really pains me to go into it, but here goes.
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
What's a stan? [/QUOTE]
[b]Quick Google search 'stan meaning' and you get:
stan
/stan/
INFORMAL
noun
1.
an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity.
"he has millions of stans who are obsessed with him and call him a rap god"
verb
1.
be an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity.
"y'all know I stan for Katy Perry, so I was excited to see the artwork for her upcoming album"
It comes from the song "Stan" by Eminem, about one of his obsessive fans.
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[QUOTE] Pakistan?[/QUOTE]
[b]C'mooooon! :D
[QUOTE]Nah. The guy had been arrested and searched and gone on trial. And then acquitted by the same defense of these guys. People mj associated with Brett Barnes, Lennon's kid etc have all stated that although he was weird he was not that kind of dude.[/QUOTE]
O.J. was acquitted, but i'm sure we all agree he was guilty AF. ;)
Getting acquitted on a technicality, like the absence of any hard evidence isn't rare.
Child abuse is especially notorious for being hard to prove in court.
Kids that hung out with MJ and who weren't molested, were usually famous kids he was smart enough to not touch.
It was always some kid that came from 'troubled', 'sick' or/and 'poor' families.[/b]
[QUOTE]The information is out there, however if he were proven a serial molester then I'd be right there with u on it. But that has yet to happen, even with the DA Tom Sneddon abusing chain of custody protections for evidentiary procedures.[/QUOTE]
[b]The Jordan Chandler penis drawing should have been proof enough. The testimonials from (now) 5 kids, staff and parents/family isn't enough? [/b]
[QUOTE]It's law vs contrivance and the way these guys are currently changing their stories AND all the inconsistencies presented as "fact" (including robson's wife claiming she had no idea how to deal with his "breakdown" (see UNEMPLOYMENT; in fighting and potential divorce) don't help their case at all.
They act as people with something to hide.[/QUOTE]
[b]Where are they changing their stories? They have been consistent, unlike some of the members of the Jackson family. Who are only attacking Wade for cheating on what's-her-face-Jackson with whom Wade had a relationship with ages ago.
Nothing that has been brought to the table to prove MJ didn't systematically abuse kids, really.
Just a smear campaign to discredit these guys. I mean REALLY low stuff, even going after their families/kids. Pretty much is a testament how desperate people are to protect the goose that is laying the golden eggs.
You are pointing out the same 'facts' to discredit Wade with some (i'm sorry to say) lame attempts to no avail i'm afraid.
Do you think that this is easy on any relationship? Whatever happens between people doesn't mean it proves or disproves offences that happened to these boys.[/b]
[QUOTE]The "charitable" group they had INITIALLY stated that robesons wife was a previous victim of abuse. [/QUOTE]
[b]It's Robson by the way. Easy going after Wade isn't it, as he is the most high profile of the bunch. You have nothing on Safechuck? ;)
Where is the empathy? Who are you trying to protect? [/b]
[QUOTE]Within the week the alleged "documentary" aired, all that information was altered in their website and charitable org (one in which earnings can't be scrutinized) changed to reflect the STORY presented as "fact" in the alleged "documentary"
I.e. she's no longer a victim of abuse because that would be inconsistent with the story they presented in the film, among the other things.
I don't want to change this into a mjj discussion and derail it like so many other threads are being derailed. But the information and sources are out there as is testimony in trial and via depositions.
Not my responsibility if people are lazy and want to do any research on something that's involving a music icon and a lawsuit of 1.5 BILLION dollars
Objectivity is out the window sometimes. I watched the films. And like most things i weighted the sides.
If it comes out that any of those things were credible and not just encouraging words (the faxes, videos etc were sent to dozens of people throughout that guys life for encouragement, he visited and donated to victims, ECU ward patients, burn victims, veterans etc and didn't put it out on blast all the time)
If it comes out that he WAS that kind of dude and not simply portraying a role and JW doctrine then I'll say the dude was a monster. But until then, I'll rely on what dude stood for, the good he'd done and what can be proven.
That's about it. Won't burden this FLASH thread with MJJ recourse anymore. [/QUOTE]
[b]Ah, the 'research' card. I wondered when it would come up and there it is. People that debunk the stuff 'you' people come up with clearly didn't do their 'research'?
But seriously, the thing is though, when you have pre-conceived ideas and you really don't want to believe this (even subconsciously) then the chanced are that you will find a lot of "evidence" that this must be all an elaborate scheme to get money.
I have been an MJ fan for most of my life, pre-dating Queen and have a pretty extensive MJ collection. When the Jordon Chandler allegations were all over the news it went by me (i was pretty young still) and of course i did hear about it, but it didn't phase me. MJ was God.
The second set of allegations after the Martin Bashir documentary was the tipping point, but i was relieved he was acquitted. Now i could bury my head in the sand again and still listen to his stuff. The person MJ was by now clearly a troubled human being yes, but a paedophile? Nah.
After reading a lot of books (pre-dating this DOCUMENTARY) on the man, seeing documentaries and looking into the court documents i just can't deny this shit anymore. As much as it hurts for me to admit.
Now what happens? Do i still listen to his music? Yes, but not everything. :D
Also: Going on a rant and then quickly closing the door in my face by not wanting to engage and going offtopic is kind of a dick move. You could've replied in the MJ thread under Personal and just simply link to it in that thread. Make it clickable though, otherwise Moog. ;) [/b]
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