[QUOTE] [b]rockchic65 wrote:[/b]
Well said, 100% agree.
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Thanks. I made a grammar mistake, but it's been corrected now.
Sebastian
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Metropolis
I respect that Brian and Roger might want to continue their legacy with Adam Lambert, but come on. You have to admit Adam can't replace Freddie. I would still go to Queen concerts, but it's not the same. Queen is Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John. You can't have Queen without Freddie and John. It's just not right, and it's not possible. Brian Roger and Adam aren't Queen+Adam. It's just Brian Roger and Adam.
Star*
Idiots will support whatever crap Brian & Roger throw at them all.
Yous lot on here are nuts supporting them.
Yous lot on here are nuts supporting them.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Queen Freddie Forever wrote:[/b]
You have to admit Adam can't replace Freddie.[/QUOTE]
He can, he does, he's done it for years and he's unlikely to stop doing it anytime soon. It's not up to you and it's not up to me. It's up to Brian and Roger. Adam's certainly good enough for them, that's all he needs. He'll do it with or without our approval.
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
Yous lot on here are nuts supporting them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not supporting them, as I haven't been to a single concert with Adam (or with Frederick, for that matter). I'm aware, though, that with or without my support, they'll keep doing it, and I think that's great for them. As I mentioned earlier, they're happy, Adam's happy, their active organisation (techies, accountants, managers, bodyguards) are happy and the thousands of fans who willingly pay the tickets tend to have a lovely time, so that's a good decision by all parts involved.
You have to admit Adam can't replace Freddie.[/QUOTE]
He can, he does, he's done it for years and he's unlikely to stop doing it anytime soon. It's not up to you and it's not up to me. It's up to Brian and Roger. Adam's certainly good enough for them, that's all he needs. He'll do it with or without our approval.
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
Yous lot on here are nuts supporting them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not supporting them, as I haven't been to a single concert with Adam (or with Frederick, for that matter). I'm aware, though, that with or without my support, they'll keep doing it, and I think that's great for them. As I mentioned earlier, they're happy, Adam's happy, their active organisation (techies, accountants, managers, bodyguards) are happy and the thousands of fans who willingly pay the tickets tend to have a lovely time, so that's a good decision by all parts involved.
The Circle of Eidolon
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
Seems like Brian has done a U turn from Adam can do this and Adam can do that and MORE to Freddie and "oh he put so much passion into "Time" what a hypocrite Brian really is.
He seems to be trying to cover his past stupid ridiculous comments over now by trying to be nice to OUR Fred.
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The Circle of Eidolon has read this post and come to the conclusion that Inspired inspires no one, while himself being inspired by an endless river of negativity towards members of a band he claims to be a fan of.
Think hard Mr Inspired you say Brian May is trying to cover his past by being nice to "our Fred". . . How little you remember from 1991 onward Brian has continued to remind everyone, in interviews on screen and written, what an amazing talent Freddie was.
Your re writing of history is shallow and based on your own uninspired attempts to point fingers at people who have done the opposite of what you claim.
Your talent for reaching uninspired depths is beyond reach.
The Circle of Eidolon has spoken. You will fail to inspire with any reply.
Seems like Brian has done a U turn from Adam can do this and Adam can do that and MORE to Freddie and "oh he put so much passion into "Time" what a hypocrite Brian really is.
He seems to be trying to cover his past stupid ridiculous comments over now by trying to be nice to OUR Fred.
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The Circle of Eidolon has read this post and come to the conclusion that Inspired inspires no one, while himself being inspired by an endless river of negativity towards members of a band he claims to be a fan of.
Think hard Mr Inspired you say Brian May is trying to cover his past by being nice to "our Fred". . . How little you remember from 1991 onward Brian has continued to remind everyone, in interviews on screen and written, what an amazing talent Freddie was.
Your re writing of history is shallow and based on your own uninspired attempts to point fingers at people who have done the opposite of what you claim.
Your talent for reaching uninspired depths is beyond reach.
The Circle of Eidolon has spoken. You will fail to inspire with any reply.
Star*
The Circle Of Eidolon Yes back in 1991 Brian may have said the odd complementary thing about Freddie but that was before he clapped eyes on the dreadful Adam Lambert and since then Brian has crowed on for the past 8 years how great he is, he never done that when Paul Rodgers was fronting Queen did he!
Brian protests too much in interviews about Adam so he must be surely hyping him and trying to sell him because of his lack of skills as a front man,
Brian protests too much in interviews about Adam so he must be surely hyping him and trying to sell him because of his lack of skills as a front man,
rockchic65
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
The Circle Of Eidolon Yes back in 1991 Brian may have said the odd complementary thing about Freddie but that was before he clapped eyes on the dreadful Adam Lambert and since then Brian has crowed on for the past 8 years how great he is, he never done that when Paul Rodgers was fronting Queen did he!
Brian protests too much in interviews about Adam so he must be surely hyping him and trying to sell him because of his lack of skills as a front man,
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I bet you're one of those people who thinks someone should remain single for the rest of your life if a partner dies?
Brian has said plenty of nice things about Freddie in interviews over the time they've been playing with Adam so you either don't bother watching his interviews or you choose to ignore that and focus only on what he say's about Adam.
Has it ever occurred to you that he can love Adam and still love Freddie as well, they're different people and they have a different relationship with him but that doesn't mean he favours one over the other. Paul is a totally different type of person so it doesn't surprise me they didn't say the same types of things, the dynamic of the collaboration appeared different to me.
The Circle Of Eidolon Yes back in 1991 Brian may have said the odd complementary thing about Freddie but that was before he clapped eyes on the dreadful Adam Lambert and since then Brian has crowed on for the past 8 years how great he is, he never done that when Paul Rodgers was fronting Queen did he!
Brian protests too much in interviews about Adam so he must be surely hyping him and trying to sell him because of his lack of skills as a front man,
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I bet you're one of those people who thinks someone should remain single for the rest of your life if a partner dies?
Brian has said plenty of nice things about Freddie in interviews over the time they've been playing with Adam so you either don't bother watching his interviews or you choose to ignore that and focus only on what he say's about Adam.
Has it ever occurred to you that he can love Adam and still love Freddie as well, they're different people and they have a different relationship with him but that doesn't mean he favours one over the other. Paul is a totally different type of person so it doesn't surprise me they didn't say the same types of things, the dynamic of the collaboration appeared different to me.
Star*
Paul Rodgers is still more worthy of praise than Adam as he has more experience and can deal with massive audiences better.
Brian was making Adam out to be a showman the first day he walked out on stage which was ridiculous.
Brian is self centred and at times and he does blow those trumpets for Adam too much these days it is getting very tedious now.
Even the DJ on the radio said of Brian saying "Adam can do anything Freddie can do" "Excuse me we are talking about the late great Freddie Mercury here who is unbeatable to anyone out there"!
Brian was making Adam out to be a showman the first day he walked out on stage which was ridiculous.
Brian is self centred and at times and he does blow those trumpets for Adam too much these days it is getting very tedious now.
Even the DJ on the radio said of Brian saying "Adam can do anything Freddie can do" "Excuse me we are talking about the late great Freddie Mercury here who is unbeatable to anyone out there"!
rockchic65
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
Paul Rodgers is still more worthy of praise than Adam as he has more experience and can deal with massive audiences better.
Brian was making Adam out to be a showman the first day he walked out on stage which was ridiculous.
Brian is self centred and at times and he does blow those trumpets for Adam too much these days it is getting very tedious now.
Even the DJ on the radio said of Brian saying "Adam can do anything Freddie can do" "Excuse me we are talking about the late great Freddie Mercury here who is unbeatable to anyone out there"!
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That comment of Brian's has been taken out of context and anyone with sense would realize that.
Adam is a showman, it's what he got known for from day one and he has no problem dealing with massive audiences. Paul is not in the least showman like and has a completely different style of performing, some will prefer his more straightforward rock style, some will prefer Adam's more theatrical approach and no doubt there's people who like both for different reasons.
Brian praises lots of people, he's just been praising Steve Vai who he's at Starmus with, it's what a lot of musicians do, they praise others who they admire, can't see anything wrong with that.
Paul Rodgers is still more worthy of praise than Adam as he has more experience and can deal with massive audiences better.
Brian was making Adam out to be a showman the first day he walked out on stage which was ridiculous.
Brian is self centred and at times and he does blow those trumpets for Adam too much these days it is getting very tedious now.
Even the DJ on the radio said of Brian saying "Adam can do anything Freddie can do" "Excuse me we are talking about the late great Freddie Mercury here who is unbeatable to anyone out there"!
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That comment of Brian's has been taken out of context and anyone with sense would realize that.
Adam is a showman, it's what he got known for from day one and he has no problem dealing with massive audiences. Paul is not in the least showman like and has a completely different style of performing, some will prefer his more straightforward rock style, some will prefer Adam's more theatrical approach and no doubt there's people who like both for different reasons.
Brian praises lots of people, he's just been praising Steve Vai who he's at Starmus with, it's what a lot of musicians do, they praise others who they admire, can't see anything wrong with that.
Metropolis
I have no problems with Adam (or Paul) playing with Queen. What I do have problems with is people saying he can REPLACE Freddie Mercury. Freddie's music, style, and showmanship, as well as his ability to manipulate the audience make his one of, if not THE greatest performer of all time. Neither Paul or Adam can possibly replace Freddie. IMO, both Paul and Adam are okay performers, but to say they can replace Freddie is ridiculous.
rockchic65
[QUOTE] [b]Queen Freddie Forever wrote:[/b]
I have no problems with Adam (or Paul) playing with Queen. What I do have problems with is people saying he can REPLACE Freddie Mercury. Freddie's music, style, and showmanship, as well as his ability to manipulate the audience make his one of, if not THE greatest performer of all time. Neither Paul or Adam can possibly replace Freddie. IMO, both Paul and Adam are okay performers, but to say they can replace Freddie is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
No one has said that though, Brian recently said he can't replace Freddie in an interview and Adam say's it in every interview and on stage every night. They made a point of calling it Queen + for that reason and in a couple of Adam's latest interviews he said "Queen to me is Freddie, John, Roger & Brian, these four legends, I don't consider myself Queen I'm just a featured guest, there to sing the songs for a live show and to enable Brian & Roger to continue to play live". I've never worked out why people think he's trying to replace Freddie or that they want him to since they've all said the complete opposite from the start.
I have no problems with Adam (or Paul) playing with Queen. What I do have problems with is people saying he can REPLACE Freddie Mercury. Freddie's music, style, and showmanship, as well as his ability to manipulate the audience make his one of, if not THE greatest performer of all time. Neither Paul or Adam can possibly replace Freddie. IMO, both Paul and Adam are okay performers, but to say they can replace Freddie is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
No one has said that though, Brian recently said he can't replace Freddie in an interview and Adam say's it in every interview and on stage every night. They made a point of calling it Queen + for that reason and in a couple of Adam's latest interviews he said "Queen to me is Freddie, John, Roger & Brian, these four legends, I don't consider myself Queen I'm just a featured guest, there to sing the songs for a live show and to enable Brian & Roger to continue to play live". I've never worked out why people think he's trying to replace Freddie or that they want him to since they've all said the complete opposite from the start.
Star*
We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false .
Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation and now watered down to two men and a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably. People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?
Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation and now watered down to two men and a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably. People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?
rockchic65
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false .
Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation and now watered down to two men and a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably. People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?[/QUOTE]
No one's being short changed if they enjoy the shows, there's nothing false about their advertising, they've been fully open about who the band is made up of and no one's going expecting to see original Queen so if they'r happy to pay to see two members of the band with Adam and some other musician's then that's their choice, no one's forced if they don't want to. Foreigner have only one original band member left but they still go by foreigner, they don't even add a + but people still go to see them play the music of foreigner because they love it and Kelly does justice to the songs. I saw them live and they were great. There's plenty bands like that with only one or two original members who are still out there and using their name without adding a +, at least Brian & Roger have made it very clear Adam isn't a replacement Freddie and the same when they toured with Paul.
We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false .
Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation and now watered down to two men and a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably. People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?[/QUOTE]
No one's being short changed if they enjoy the shows, there's nothing false about their advertising, they've been fully open about who the band is made up of and no one's going expecting to see original Queen so if they'r happy to pay to see two members of the band with Adam and some other musician's then that's their choice, no one's forced if they don't want to. Foreigner have only one original band member left but they still go by foreigner, they don't even add a + but people still go to see them play the music of foreigner because they love it and Kelly does justice to the songs. I saw them live and they were great. There's plenty bands like that with only one or two original members who are still out there and using their name without adding a +, at least Brian & Roger have made it very clear Adam isn't a replacement Freddie and the same when they toured with Paul.
AlbaNo1
Is there an example of another band with a long term line up who had to change key personnel who also use this “+” name convention?
I’m sure someone will come up with one but it’s definitely not the common approach. It’s a compromise between forming a new band name and just keeping the old one entirely.
I’m sure someone will come up with one but it’s definitely not the common approach. It’s a compromise between forming a new band name and just keeping the old one entirely.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false .[/QUOTE]
Legally, it's not false. It's not up to you and it's not up to me and it's not up to anyone but Roger and Brian, and they can call themselves whatever they want to without your permission (or without mine, or without anyone else's for that matter).
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation[/QUOTE]
So?
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably.[/QUOTE]
Considering he earns good money for singing rock music, he's not a 'wannabe'. Considering he's been hired by two people at the top of their league to sing their material and has spent years touring all over the place doing that before large paying audiences, he's definitely not 'failed', let alone 'miserably'. Whether you like his voice or not (that aspect is far more subjective), he's a success, and a large one - case in point, here we are talking about him.
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?[/QUOTE]
Do you care this much for financial injustice? If so, do you campaign against detrimental political decisions, religious leaders selling tickets to heaven, governments cutting funding from schools and hospitals, app companies scamming the elderly, faith healers, etc? Or do you only care about 'big' problems such as two rock stars in their seventies (Roger's ever so nearly there) having picked a young singer you don't care for and touring with him?
We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false .[/QUOTE]
Legally, it's not false. It's not up to you and it's not up to me and it's not up to anyone but Roger and Brian, and they can call themselves whatever they want to without your permission (or without mine, or without anyone else's for that matter).
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation[/QUOTE]
So?
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably.[/QUOTE]
Considering he earns good money for singing rock music, he's not a 'wannabe'. Considering he's been hired by two people at the top of their league to sing their material and has spent years touring all over the place doing that before large paying audiences, he's definitely not 'failed', let alone 'miserably'. Whether you like his voice or not (that aspect is far more subjective), he's a success, and a large one - case in point, here we are talking about him.
[QUOTE] [b]Inspired wrote:[/b]
People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?[/QUOTE]
Do you care this much for financial injustice? If so, do you campaign against detrimental political decisions, religious leaders selling tickets to heaven, governments cutting funding from schools and hospitals, app companies scamming the elderly, faith healers, etc? Or do you only care about 'big' problems such as two rock stars in their seventies (Roger's ever so nearly there) having picked a young singer you don't care for and touring with him?