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In recent years new research has uncovered new Information raising doubts about Bugliosis version. I have read neither Bugliosi´s nor alternative reseachers´ books, but I read a very informational review.

https://kennedysandking.com/reviews/vincent-bugliosi-tom-o-neill-quentin-tarantino-and-tate-labianca-part-1

Thanks Steven it's very sad one of the victims was pregnant.

Wow, there's life on the book thread again, AWESOME!

I used to read every true life crime book available years ago, think it was the Psych major in me. Got away from it a few years ago when I decided I needed more positivity in my life. Same with Stephen King. However, on my trip to Canada last summer, we flew in and out of Maine and had some time so we drove by Stephen King's house because I used to be such a fan. Took some pics and it looks like a home he would prob live in with fencing that looks like spider webs. Pretty cool.

I'm up for reading Peter Hince's book with y'all! I thought it was very interesting and liked the different perspective Peter gave on Freddie. He didn't seem to be too "careful" when reciting some stories, which was nice.

I know Amidds, I was so excited to see action on the book thread!

Only one brief comment on Stephen King. I've always liked his books because I think he is a master at character development. I tend to get involved and truly care about them, but I've also learned over the years that the more I like the character, the more likely Stephen is to kill them off. I still read everything he publishes, but I do get impatient with the fact that he always seems to go to what I think of Woo Woo Land at the end: Science fiction. Not a genre I like. Isn't that fence around his home fantastic? And I like the house too and could easily live in a place like that.

I just finished the novel I was reading so I'll start Queen Unseen now. Hope others join us!

Thanks for the link Steven, I skimmed it and will read in depth later. It has been a few years since I read those books, but from skimming it looks like some of those involved have changed their stories as time goes by...and we know that the more time that passes the less accurate the memories! Not saying that they didn’t revise things to be more accurate, but it is just hard to know what the actual truth is....the earlier story or the later? And then, I think the article author is also applying more current legal positions to what was happening and you can’t really do that...which goes back to my statement that I wonder if VB would have successfully prosecuted Manson in today’s court system? Not likely, in my opinion. VB had such a passion for doing the right thing, I guess it could have been an elaborate front but to me it seemed genuine, so I have a hard time believing he would use malice towards witnesses and such, as the article implies.

When it comes to JFK books, I have read a ton and who knows what is right and what happened for real? There are so many theories and “facts” on it that honestly I don’t believe any of them. I find it hard to believe that there can be so many views on it. Your article probably had nothing to do with that but I just threw it in for fun, lol!

On the Stephen King topic, for some reason I never liked his stuff. To me they seemed a little too “out there”, so I stopped trying them. I tend towards non-fiction in books anyway, so when an author gets away from something that could realistically happen, I check out, I think.

Mhz, I couldnt get get into Stephen king either I however remembered another one about the Menendez brothers that killed their parents that was another good book I have to purchase the Peter hince book do you go on Amazon to get it?

I have the Peter Hince book on Kindle, so I’m not sure if Amazon has the paper copy.

That Menendez case was a weird one too, I had forgotten about that. I’ve watched a few documentaries on it but never read anything.

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Yes, it is sad. Did your aunt share her stories with journalists or Investigators? One alternative Theory is that the Manson murders were not About Helter skelter, but about a drug deal gone awry.

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I do not know enough About VB to make a judgement About his character or intentions. Sometimes prosecutors are firmly convinced of the defendant´s guilt, but think they do not enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt. So what do they do? Turn a key witness, hire a forensic expert partial to your cause etc. Such prosecutors do not tamper out of malice, but good intentions.
I read a couple of JFK books. I know that VB was close Friends with CIA Agent David Atlee Phillips who handled Information on Oswald before the assassination.

I read a couple of Stephen King´s books in my youth, but lost interest in him as a writer many years ago. I try to read the "classics" and non-fiction books. I regularly read books in English to keep my language skills fresh. In recent months I read "The Gilded Age" co-written by Mark Twain and Freeman Dyson´s "The Scientist as Rebel" in English.

Steven, I dont think my family did they were outlaws themselves apart of the notorious gang in the 50s and 60s Hells Angel's so they knew what family meant and no snitches were allowed in their group either.I can remember as a kid them beating the hell of a guy because they heard that he snitched somebody off while he was in jail.My family on my dad side are some rough characters they wouldnt hesitate to put somebody's head in a box in the day.But on the other hand when you were family you would always be family no matter what or who you were still with.My mom left my dad and picked up with another guy in the club and she still was family till the day she died still property of the Hells Angels.

My mom met my Dad when she was 14 in 1972 she was a dancer my grandfather was a strict catholic man and so he put her out.She started dancing to support herself my dad was a hells Angel's biker and bikers always hang out where the girls are and he picked her up.So then he married her and took her to redbird a Indian compound and his home town I was born in 1973 she Dutched him 1979after the birth of my brother she rode off with another brother and became his old lady and that's all she wrote.We went to live with our strict catholic grandparents rarely seeing our parents but I guess it was for the best.I got to thinking alot about those Manson children and they were raised alot like me in those early years except my parents didnt give me drugs but they used plenty in front of me and I witnessed alot of sexual activity among adults of all genders at a young age.As far as Helter Skelter I think Charlie Manson wanted a record deal with one of the beach boys that was supposed to help him and he changed his mind and moved from the house.Sharon state moved in the house that same house so Charlie got hatred for all the rich establishment and went on that killing spree.Thats what's behind the name Helter Skelter.

Stephen, your English is excellent! I always forget that it is a second language for you.

I like to escape into fiction, but I also like non-fiction. I recently read The Pioneers by David McCullough and learned so much about the history of my state that was new for me in spite of having taught a small unit on early pioneers every year of my career. . I always have a book going. I can't help myself...…...one more thing about Stephen King. I recently gave my entire collection of his books to Good Will. The young man who helped me unload my donations for the day was thrilled. : ) King is only one of my many favorite authors,one of my absolute favorites being Pat Conroy. I do think King's Stand By Me and Shawshank Redemption are brilliant, both the books and the movies. If I'm cruising through the channels and I come upon either of those, or The Green Mile, I stop and watch even though I've seen them all many times.

Is anyone working through the Hince book? As always happens I'm finding new information that I can relate to as my knowledge base on Queen increases. I'm ready to start discussion any time.

No katydyd, I think my most people in thev60s the mad man fascinates them .But hince has an excellent book indeed.

I meant to say Charles Manson still fascinates people today.It doesnt take much to open up a discussion on that Trippy Hippy.

The song Helter Skelter was written by one of my favorite bands the beatles.Charles Manson loved the Beatles Qouted by Vincient during Charlie's trial.It was his rise up against the world who had rejected him the rich and famous he called this Helter Skelter.

That's a good point Steven, it is hard to know what anyone would do (even prosecutors) as they go for a conviction. The good part of me thinks that everyone is pure and would never do something like that....but the realist in my knows that those things do happen!

Katyd….I had planned on starting the Hince book this past weekend but ended up having to watch my granddaughters (which is all-consuming!) so I didn't get to do it. I'll be diving in today.