Yeah it is very sad indeed to see May & Taylor humiliate themselves in this way, i thought they were very classy up until
they got desperate taking Adam Lambert on board and then trashing Queen and loosing a hell of a lot of fans by the wayside.
Seems the best bands never did reform because they just left what they reaped and left it at that. (Smart move that)
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]
Yeah it is very sad indeed to see May & Taylor humiliate themselves in this way, i thought they were very classy up until
they got desperate taking Adam Lambert on board and then trashing Queen and loosing a hell of a lot of fans by the wayside.
Seems the best bands never did reform because they just left what they reaped and left it at that. (Smart move that)[/QUOTE]
i think you'll find that many of the world's biggest rock bands have changed lineup/reformed and continued (successfully) many times:
Beatles (12), Stones (5), Eagles (10), ac/dc (11), Who (5), Floyd (5), Fleetwood Mac (7), Purple (9), Rainbow (9), ELO (7), Thin Lizzy (8).
Ten bands - and I count 80+ line-up changes (The Beatles from 62-70 had a 12 changes)
gasman...Gasman...G-A-S-M-A-N !
Star* · Member since
Sure many bands have reformed but they were your average run of the mill bands and never had Freddie Mercury as lead singer who was arguably exceptional.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]Sure many bands have reformed but they were your average run of the mill bands and never had Freddie Mercury as lead singer who was arguably exceptional.
[/QUOTE]
Actually Queen have sold over 300 million sales.
Greatest Hits by Queen is the biggest selling album here in the UK ever by any band!
Thistle · Member since
I think you're quoting Wikipedia, Jazz+, which actually states that ESTIMATES are between 170m and 300m. Quite a big difference between the lower and upper estimates lol.
Just a couple of years ago, Queen GH was sitting at around 25m sales worldwide.
The same wiki pages you're reading from also put The Beatles, Elvis, MJ and Elton in the top four, with even Taylor Swift and Eminem selling more than Queen. In arguably the biggest market (the US), the top selling artists are The Beatles, Elvis, The Eagles, Billy Joel, MJ and Elton.
It doesn't really matter what list I've looked at in recent times, it's the same set of artists occupying the top spots (even if their positions on that list differ from time to time).
Star* · Member since
If you look at Queen's Greatest Hits on vinyl there is a sticker on it saying it is the Uks biggest selling album ever.
Quite an achievement and makes me so proud to be a Queen fan.
Leaves The Beatles and anyone else in the shade !
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Thistle wrote:[/b]
I think you're quoting Wikipedia, Jazz+, which actually states that ESTIMATES are between 170m and 300m. Quite a big difference between the lower and upper estimates lol.
Just a couple of years ago, Queen GH was sitting at around 25m sales worldwide.
The same wiki pages you're reading from also put The Beatles, Elvis, MJ and Elton in the top four, with even Taylor Swift and Eminem selling more than Queen. In arguably the biggest market (the US), the top selling artists are The Beatles, Elvis, The Eagles, Billy Joel, MJ and Elton.
It doesn't really matter what list I've looked at in recent times, it's the same set of artists occupying the top spots (even if their positions on that list differ from time to time).[/QUOTE]
and Jizz+ is also confusing two very different sales columns - one being "claimed sales" and the other being "certified"
only certified sales actually count
but if Jizz+ want's to go by claimed sales - which is where he gets Queen's 300 million from, then he should also look at the same column for Elvis, Michael Jackson, Eagles - who all beat Queen's claimed 300 million by quite some distance...and at the top of that list?
BEATLES = 600 ,million +
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Thistle wrote:[/b]
I think you're quoting Wikipedia, Jazz+, which actually states that ESTIMATES are between 170m and 300m. Quite a big difference between the lower and upper estimates lol.
Just a couple of years ago, Queen GH was sitting at around 25m sales worldwide.
The same wiki pages you're reading from also put The Beatles, Elvis, MJ and Elton in the top four, with even Taylor Swift and Eminem selling more than Queen. In arguably the biggest market (the US), the top selling artists are The Beatles, Elvis, The Eagles, Billy Joel, MJ and Elton.
It doesn't really matter what list I've looked at in recent times, it's the same set of artists occupying the top spots (even if their positions on that list differ from time to time).[/QUOTE]
This ^^^. The sad fact for anyone quoting sales figures as proof of levels of success is that Queen studio album sales lag quite a way behind a lot of the biggest artists
In The States there album sale were never on a similar level to Pink Floyd, Zeppilin, Fleetwood Mac and the others you have listed. .
World wide the figures look better but it was Greatest Hits that really sold in huge numbers and it is hat album that raised there recorded profile.
The 170 to 300 million sales figures are quoted as record sales not just album sales, so probably include singles too.
Yes they have a couple of years in The States of major success but failed to build on it and never progressed beyond playing arena venues, so many other bands went a lot further.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]This ^^^. The sad fact for anyone quoting sales figures as proof of levels of success is that Queen studio album sales lag quite a way behind a lot of the biggest artists
In The States there album sale were never on a similar level to Pink Floyd, Zeppilin, Fleetwood Mac and the others you have listed. .
World wide the figures look better but it was Greatest Hits that really sold in huge numbers and it is hat album that raised there recorded profile.
The 170 to 300 million sales figures are quoted as record sales not just album sales, so probably include singles too.
Yes they have a couple of years in The States of major success but failed to build on it and never progressed beyond playing arena venues, so many other bands went a lot further.[/QUOTE]
even more staggering, that Zep and Floyd were not singles bands - therefore their worldwide sales numbers are solely albums - without the benefit/boost of singles promoting each LP.
so, in reality a huge slice of Queen's sales numbers were singles - therefore the sales revue is diluted.
for example (for Gerry): for every 100 records sold
Zep/Floyd record sales = 100 LPs = £500
Queen record sales - (likely) 60LPs + 40 singles = £340
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b] If you look at Queen's Greatest Hits on vinyl there is a sticker on it saying it is the Uks biggest selling album ever.
Quite an achievement and makes me so proud to be a Queen fan. Leaves The Beatles and anyone else in the shade ![/QUOTE]
I hardly think Greatest hits albums count in isolation. Queen and the Beatles have released many Greatest Hits compilations. You'd need to add up combined sales of ALL of them to make a fairer comparison.
So, when you've combined certified (not claimed) UK sales figures for:
GH, GHII, GHIII, Queen Rocks, Absolute Greatest, Deep Cuts 1, 2, & 3, Forever, Platinum Collection, Liver Killers, On Fire, Montreal, at the Beeb, On Air, Hungarian Rhapsody, Live magic, Live at Wembley, Rainbow, Hammy Odeon
vs
Hollywood Bowl, Live at Beeb, On Air, Essential Beatles, Greatest Hits, Red Album, Blue Album, 20 golden hits, rock n roll music, past masters 1, past masters 2, number 1s, anthology 1, 2, 3, One, Love
then you'll have an accurate compilation comparison
Moreover, - you should be comparing like for like.
[b]Beatles biggest selling original LPs [/b](UK figures)
Sgt Pepper 4.5m
Abbey Road 3.2m
Rubber Soul 2.5m
White album 2.2m
[b][color=blue]Revolver 1.75m[/color] [/b]
[b]Queen's biggest selling original LP [/b] (UK figures)
[b][color=blue]Made In heaven - 1.7 million[/color] [/b]
so queen's biggest-selling original recording doesn't even match the Beatles 5th best selling original LP.
One final point in this argument:
Sgt Pepper sold 4.5m in the UK - without any single included to promote it.
Queen's Greatest Hits had 17 singles promoting it!
another reason why YOUR comparison just doesn't work.
brENsKi · Member since
well, Gerry - unlike yourself - I don't post statements that can't be backed up with actual facts.
I've had a quiet afternoon, so, I've managed to seek out the WORLDWIDE total album sales list for the biggest sellers: For a band who had one album sell 25 million (to date), Queen are surprisingly way down the list. Beatles album sales more than double that of Queen - which for a band that had only half the recording life of Queen's is quite incredible. Even Rihanna (who's been around (10 minutes, comparatively) to Queen, has out-sold Queen.
Top-selling artists worldwide from 1954 to 2016, based on certified album sales (in millions)
The Beatles - 257.7
Elvis Presley - 206.8
Michael Jackson - 169.7
Madonna - 164.4
Elton John - 159.4
Led Zeppelin - 137.2
Garth Brooks - 135.8
U2 - 135.6
Mariah Carey - 128.3
Eagles - 125.8
Celine Dion - 120.8
Pink Floyd - 114.1
Rihanna - 114.0
Whitney Houston - 110.2
AC/DC - 108.7
Billy Joel - 98.8
Bruce Springsteen - 97
Queen - 95.6
Barbara Streisand - 95.1
The Rolling Stones - 93.9
Brenski Out of date figures are just not good enough and very outdated.
In fact you are the one going about sales figures and not me. You should contact many authors of Queen biographies and tell them that they are wrong and you are right
including the Queen fan club, fool.
The Circle of Eidolon · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]
Brenski Out of date figures are just not good enough and very outdated.
In fact you are the one going about sales figures and not me. You should contact many authors of Queen biographies and tell them that they are wrong and you are right
including the Queen fan club, fool.[/QUOTE]
We The Circle of Eidolon have read this thread and now feel we should ask Jazz+a question.
What year are you, Jazz+, living in? We ask this because the post you are answering contains figures published this year.
Are you a time traveler or able to jump parallel universes. If you believe the figures to be out dated you clearly don't belong in 2019. . . . .
You Jazz+ have proven yet again you lack the capacity to learn and understand.
The Circle of Eidolon has spoken and yet again you Jazz+ have failed. We require no answer, there is no argument.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jizz+ wrote:[/b] Brenski Out of date figures are just not good enough and very outdated. [/QUOTE] the figures provided are from 2019. try to read and digest. (see below)
[QUOTE] [b]Jizz+ wrote:[/b]In fact you are the one going about sales figures and not me. You should contact many authors of Queen biographies and tell them that they are wrong and you are right including the Queen fan club, fool.[/QUOTE]
YOU referred to sales at least twice in this thread alone - let me remind you (see below)
[QUOTE] [b]Jizz+ wrote:[/b] [color=green][i]Actually Queen have sold over 300 million sales. Greatest Hits by Queen is the biggest selling album here in the UK ever by any band![/color][/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]Jizz+ wrote:[/b][color=blue][i]If you look at Queen's Greatest Hits on vinyl there is a sticker on it saying it is the Uks biggest selling album ever. Quite an achievement and makes me so proud to be a Queen fan. Leaves The Beatles and anyone else in the shade[/i] ![/color][/QUOTE]
at this point in time, you are clearly so moth-like in your attention span that you can't even remember/follow your own argument/points. idiotic (at best) and severely lacking (at worst).
