[b][color=red]200[/color][/b] up...and no sign of your BS ceasing.
please justify Biden's comment from last August
he's a fucking idiot, who backtracked the second he realised he'd mistakenly "thought out loud"
[b]this from left-wing UK press (The Guardian)[/b]
Joe Biden, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination for president, found his record on race under scrutiny again on Friday after a gaffe on the campaign trail.
[i]“We should challenge students in these schools,”[/i] the former vice-president said during a speech to the Asian & Latino Coalition group in Des Moines, Iowa. [i]“We have this notion that somehow if you’re poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”[/i]
After a pause, Biden added: [i]“Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids, no, I really mean it, but think how we think about it.”[/i]
The remarks prompted criticism from left and right.
SweetCaroline · Member since
So if he really meant that black kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, what is racist about that? He wasn’t putting them down. He was complimenting them.
He never went around spreading the conspiracy that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and demanding to see his birth certificate like the white supremacist/racist Trump did. Or call the black NFL players SOBs and unpatriotic for taking a knee during the national anthem for supporting Colin’s Kapernick’s protest.
If you are supporting Trump and condemning Joe Biden, you are sadly misinformed!
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
So if he really meant that black kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, what is racist about that? He wasn’t putting them down. He was complimenting them.
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... Only you are playing the race card.
What Sleepy Joe really meant is that white kids are not poor.
SweetCaroline · Member since
Huh????? That makes no sense!
pittrek · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
So if he really meant that black kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, what is racist about that?
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No, he said that black people are poor and white people are rich. Which is both idiotic and racist.
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He wasn’t putting them down. He was complimenting them.
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You're doing exactly what the "die hard" Trump supporters are doing. "Your guy" says something stupid, and you twist his words in a way in which it sounds both smart and complimentary.
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He never went around spreading the conspiracy that Barack Obama was born in Kenya [/QUOTE]
Maybe you should check what the word "conspiracy" means? And BTW yes, this was one of the finest examples of Trump's dickish behaviour.
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and demanding to see his birth certificate like the white supremacist/racist Trump did.
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Why do you call Trump a white supremacist and a racist? I am reading this online for years and never read any evidence to support it. If Trump is "any" supremacist, he is a Trump supremacist.
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Or call the black NFL players SOBs
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No, that never happened. You know what he said?
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“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’”
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I don't understand how can you translate it into "he called black NFL players SOBs."
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and unpatriotic for taking a knee during the national anthem for supporting Colin’s Kapernick’s protest.
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Yes, that IS unpatriotic. What's wrong with calling an unpatriotic thing unpatriotic?
But sure, go vote for the man who thinks that he's running for the Senate and if you don't like him, you should vote for the other Biden, and calls people lying dog-faced pony soldiers, the next 4 years will be surely a lot of fun.
SweetCaroline · Member since
Going down on one knee isn’t disrespectful or unpatriotic. In the Catholic Church it is called genuflecting and is a sign of respect!
The point is Joe wasn’t dissing anyone like our “dear leader” does on a daily basis. His most recent greatest hit was calling the governor of Washington state “a snake” probably because he didn’t profess undying love for the narcissistic sociopath and was running as a presidential candidate against him. For anyone who hasn’t figured it out yet, EVERYTHING is about Trump, absolutely EVERYTHING !!!
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]So if he really meant that black kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, what is racist about that? He wasn’t putting them down. He was complimenting them.[/QUOTE]
[color=red]203[/color] of your posts in this thread...and every single one misguided and borderline lunatic.
you really are a moron. stop and read the sentence
[color=red][i][b]Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”[/b][/i][/color]
he's made TWO very distinctive absolutes:
>> poor kids aren't white
>> white kids aren't poor
that's definitely a hopelessly inaccurate and offensive statement to both white and non-white families.
SweetCaroline · Member since
What is Trumpy going to do now? The US Treasury is imploding!
SweetCaroline · Member since
He can’t blame Obama anymore for everything. He has been the president over three years now!
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]So if he really meant that black kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, what is racist about that? He wasn’t putting them down. He was complimenting them.[/QUOTE]
[color=red]203[/color] of your posts in this thread...and every single one misguided and borderline lunatic.
you really are a moron. stop and read the sentence
[color=red][i][b]Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”[/b][/i][/color]
he's made TWO very distinctive absolutes:
>> poor kids aren't white
>> white kids aren't poor
that's definitely a hopelessly inaccurate and offensive statement to both white and non-white families.
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your response was inadequate. how about you address my reply, instead of posting more anti-Trump propaganda.
you can't because you know that Joe-boy is a closet racist. and he accidentally thought out loud.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
If you think Joe Biden is a racist, you just don't have a clue. Politically, you generally don't, especially considering your track-record for hissy fits about Brexit.
I think it's pretty well-established that I strongly dislike SweetCaroline and her deranged spamming. However, the fact that she's anti-Trump doesn't mean that Trump is suddenly a good, or even passable, president, or that you're on the right side of history and/or decency in siding with Trump over SweetCaroline. History will judge Trump's presidency harshly, not for ideological reasons (they tend to become irrelevant and boring with time, although the enthusiasm of many right-wing extremist groups for Trump will stand out), but because of three things - pervading corruption (Trump's many ethics violations, but also the many corrupt dealings of his underlings, some of whom are already in jail), pervading incompetence (many functions not filled, a revolving door with a large number of others, and a president who consistently claims to know better than the experts, only to prove beyond doubt that he doesn't - see the utter failure with North Korea, Iran and Trump's mishandling of the Coronavirus, but also his expensive failing at the trade war with China - just ask midwestern farmers how that's going - the foolish propping up of a dead coal industry that cannot be saved, a hysterical war on clean water and air that makes no sense as not even industry wants it, etc. etc.) and a complete disregard for the standards of the presidency (constantly lying about meaningless things, literally hundreds of personal attacks on private citizens through official White House channels, insulting close allies, spreading misinformation).
If you either don't understand the above problems with Trump, or don't mind them, you are completely lost.
brENsKi · Member since
Biden cannot unsay what he said. an inconvenient slip of the tongue.
as regards Trump: that's your opinion. we'll see what America thinks in November. i note on Trump, you conveniently accept all left-wing press as being honest. bizarre.
they were not hissy fits about Brexit. they're opinion. fact is, the European project is dying. it may be a long lingering death, but it's dying nonetheless.
it's dying because a Federalist state does not work. it's dying because the Eastern European countries have had enough of dealing with an unsolvable asylum crisis.
it's dying because, one Govt cannot possibly hope to make rules and regs that fit/work for all 27.
the hypocrisy of the EU Govt: complaining at Turkey opening its borders because it is overwhelmed, while at the same time conveniently keeping their membership at "key strategic EU partner " status since 1999. ie - "you're not with us, but you do what we tell you."
to tell you the truth, i personally really don;t have a dog in the fight, but we're out and at least the UK's success and failures will be our own.
your history qualifications mean nothing when applied to real life...because we all know one thing about history: politicians do NOT learn from it.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
Yes, that is my opinion, which I support with, admittedly brief and far from complete, arguments. But let's be clear - my opinion lies in what I believe the facts to mean and what consequences I believe they will have, not in the facts themselves. It is not "my opinion" that Trump constantly lies about meaningless (as well as meaningful) things - that is a simple, verifiable fact. Many more negative, even downright damning, factual points remain regarding Trump - not least of all his indisputable tendency to fight out personal feuds 'ex officia'. You, or for that matter actual Trump-supporters, can decide not to care about any of the criticisms leveled against him, but that does not mean that those of them that are grounded in fact will not go away. Don't get me wrong - Trump gets unjust criticism as well as just criticism. But the just criticism alone is enough to seriously damage the institution of the presidency itself, if left unchecked in the near future.
Now, every single one of the points you raise after the words "fact is" are also, very clearly, opinions. And what's more, I am absolutely certain that you are *easily* intelligent enough to see that. You might say "a Federalist state does not work", yet I see, for instance, Canada, Belgium and the US functioning just fine, compared to national states. I don't think nation states will be able to keep functioning sufficiently well in the 21st century world, but that's an opinion, not a fact - just like your opinion on federalist states. The asylum crisis won't go away, even if the EU vanished overnight and left magically functioning nation states behind - the cause at its root is the uprooting of the people who live(d) in a huge warzone that, by and large, stretches from Libya to Pakistan. Now, I personally am of the opinion that a European federal state would be better able to deal with this than a loose confederation of nation states, which the EU is, but that is an opinion - just like your opinion that nation states would be better able to deal with this on their own.
"one Govt cannot possibly hope to make rules and regs that fit/work for all 27."
That line, in many forms, has been used so many times before (making your remark about history applied to real life a little ironic), especially in the course of the creation of nation states out of the feudal patchwork of the pre-French Revolution world.
As for Brexit, I think England and the UK have made a big mistake. You do not. We have a right to our respective opinions. But I do hope you understand that it is not so that your country is now suddenly united behind the outcome. The country was split almost down the middle, and split it remains - that is a problem you, as a society, will need to deal with. I also think (again: my opinion, based on observation) that the English have treated the Scots and especially the Northern Irish with a degree of arrogance that, while justified by simply counting votes in parliament, is not something that helps detract from the old, old view that England is treating Scotland, Wales and (Northern-)Ireland like colonies. I personally oppose separatism like that of the Scottish, but I do think Brexit has put undesirable strain on the bonds of the United Kingdom.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
I see you've added a few points.
" i note on Trump, you conveniently accept all left-wing press as being honest. bizarre. "
Bizarre indeed, as I've done no such thing. By the way - are outlets like The Wall Street Journal left-wing too? Just asking.
"the hypocrisy of the EU Govt: complaining at Turkey opening its borders because it is overwhelmed, while at the same time conveniently keeping their membership at "key strategic EU partner " status since 1999. ie - "you're not with us, but you do what we tell you." "
That is a very strange and peculiar opinion to express, considering the fact that a paranoid, autocratic, only selectively democratic religious regime rules Turkey, it certainly does not do "what we [the EU] tell[s it]" and that, while wanting to leave the EU itself, the UK was, until the day it left, one of the prime sponsors of Turkish admission as a full member to the EU. So, would you like to go into whether that's schizophrenic or in bad faith, perhaps? Again, very strange that you'd say something like this.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
As for Brexit, I think England and the UK have made a big mistake. You do not. We have a right to our respective opinions. But I do hope you understand that it is not so that your country is now suddenly united behind the outcome. The country was split almost down the middle, and split it remains - that is a problem you, as a society, will need to deal with. I also think (again: my opinion, based on observation) that the English have treated the Scots and especially the Northern Irish with a degree of arrogance that, while justified by simply counting votes in parliament, is not something that helps detract from the old, old view that England is treating Scotland, Wales and (Northern-)Ireland like colonies. I personally oppose separatism like that of the Scottish, but I do think Brexit has put undesirable strain on the bonds of the United Kingdom.[/QUOTE]
this needs a separate thread.
i think the vote was 52/48%. but that 4% was 1.5million voters.
there's too many points to discuss here.
however, it was the single largest democratic turnout in UK voting history and was the Establishment (Parliament) not respecting that vote for 3½ years that caused the division. had we just got on with it, people would be over it now.
the Govt finally has a significant majority...so it will happen.
Scotland has already come round. they're tired of their Assembly returning the worst educational, health and employment records in the UK. The Govt in Scotland are hitching their wagons to North Sea Oil - citing this as part of their future wealth...just as the world starts to move away from oil production. Scotland will likely need the UK for some time to come. a move to EU membership is something (along with free prescriptions and free University courses) is another thing they can ill-afford. One point about the treatment of the Scots: Scotland had a referendum on UK membership and voted to stay. But because an EU vote goes against their Govt they now want another?
FWIW, I think Ireland will separate from the UK (and become a united country) - maybe not in my lifetime, and not because of Brexit - but because of the shift in political power both north and south of the border.
Wales, will always remain part of the UK...but probably because the devolved Govt in Wales can never make its mind up on anything.
