Freddie’s religion

Yes Delilah, it is quite interesting and I find Freddie fascinating! I do think he was spiritual, it is mentioned so much in his songs. He did tell Jim he could leave early in his illness...at least according to Jim’s account. That was really compassionate from Freddie, and a testament to Jim’s dedication if it is true.

For Brenski, I think it is clear that Freddie went to catholic school and probably learned many biblical things there, I did not intend to imply that his “roots” were there. Catholic schools are well- known for providing their education in biblical views, so it stands to reason he would learn much of what he knew there. I am also not super- knowledgeable on the Zoroastrian religion so I can’t provide a deep compare/contrast, but I do believe there are similar concepts there, the Good thoughts, good words, good deeds...can be quite comparable to the 10 commandments, for example, that basically detail the same thing. As for it pre-dating Christ, I would say that the Christians (and Jewish people as detailed in the Old Testament) also pre-dated Christ coming to the earth, but nonetheless the religion itself and belief in God pre-dated Christ’s birth/death/resurrection on earth. In fact, since God created this earth and Adam/Eve, he pre-dated it all. : )

I stand behind my statement of it being sad that we don’t know if Freddie repented, I say it is sad because if we knew, we could all celebrate the knowledge that he is in heaven with God, and what a wonderful thing that would be! And that knowledge, when shared with the world could bring many others to God. To me, that would be a glorious! For me it is just as sad when anyone does not believe in God though, as I would love for all to believe and have His love as well!

I know Jesus very well. I seem him almost every day as he is an anthropomorphic symbol for the sun like so many figures in lots of cultures.

[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=purple]I am also not super- knowledgeable on the Zoroastrian religion so I can’t provide a deep compare/contrast, but I do believe there are similar concepts there, the Good thoughts, good words, good deeds...can be quite comparable to the 10 commandments, for example, that basically detail the same thing.[/color][/QUOTE]The Ten Commandments are Old Testament - which pre-dates Christ, so are completely irrelevant to your argument. There were only TWO Commandments Christ gave us:
[i][color=blue]"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength."[/i][/color] and
[i][color=blue]"You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these."[/i][/color]
Your "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds" analogy applies to almost EVERY organised religion. there's no direct link to Christianity there.


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=purple]As for it pre-dating Christ, I would say that the Christians (and Jewish people as detailed in the Old Testament) also pre-dated Christ coming to the earth, but nonetheless the religion itself and belief in God pre-dated Christ’s birth/death/resurrection on earth.[/color][/QUOTE]No. No. No. Christians did NOT pre-date Christ. That's physically and theoretically impossible. "Christian" means Follower of Christ. By definition it's impossible to follow anything (either physically, or time-wise) if you physically precede and expire before the beginning and very existence of the thing you're said to be following.
The Old Testament prophecies of the coming of a Messiah were just that - prophecies. But you can't "follow" his teachings/be a Christian if he hasn't actually taught anything yet. And even though his teaching began aged 27(ish), there was no actual Christianity per se until the year following his death. "God" and "Christianity" are not the same. A belief in God has existed for 3,000+ years - but Christianity, only since AD 1.
But hey, this is your faith, you should already know this.


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=purple]In fact, since God created this earth and Adam/Eve, he pre-dated it all. :[/color][/QUOTE] Science has proven beyond all doubt that the earth is hundreds of millions of years old. The bible tells us that everything apart from mankind was created in 6 days. Mankind arrived on the seventh. The Old Testament covers 4,000 years. The New testament = 600 years. So the bible tells us that the Earth and mankind are less than 6,000 years old - seriously?


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=purple]I stand behind my statement of it being sad that we don’t know if Freddie repented, I say it is sad because if we knew, we could all celebrate the knowledge that he is in heaven with God, and what a wonderful thing that would be! And that knowledge, when shared with the world could bring many others to God. To me, that would be a glorious! For me it is just as sad when anyone does not believe in God though, as I would love for all to believe and have His love as well![/color][/QUOTE]Should repenting gain anyone a "glorious afterlife-eternal"? In your world Pol Pot, Saddam, Bin Laden, Milosevic and al-Bashir are all in your Christian Heaven if they repented before death? But someone who didn't know they were dying - but had committed considerably less serious sins will - due to not having time to repent, go to Hell? Sorry, no way Jose.

To YOU it may be glorious, (and I'm happy for you) but to those of us grounded in reality - ie those with Secular, real world existence - rather than a need to believe in potential Fairy Stories: what Freddie repented (or otherwise) makes no difference in the big scheme of things...because well, there really is NO big scheme of anything.

Okay, I'll play your game: So, even if there is a God - what makes your's the ONE TRUE GOD? what about all those other religions? and denominations of religions? What if Freddie converted to anything, and let's say it was Sikhism? Then what? You going to disown him? or pray for his heathen soul?

You only believe there's a God, but you can never actually know (not while you live/breathe and walk the Earth, anyway). What if you're wrong? What if there is no God? Your mass-conversion plan would be rendered futile.

Also, the 10 commandments (in which this supposed god admits there are other gods by the way) are a straight rip-off from the far older Egyptian book of the dead. All of the 3 Abrahamic religions are complete rip-offs of each other and far older stuff. Full of symbolism regarding knowledge of the earth and its place in the universe and warnings of great catastrophic events from outer space (meteors) and their effects on civilizations through the ages. Hugely distorted in some cases of course but still there if you know the history of the texts and how to read them. Nothing holy, nothing to praise or pray to, just knowledge and warnings encoded in symbolism stories so they might survive the changing of languages and the wipe out of large parts of humanity. Seriously, that's basically it.

Good response, brENsKi

We see thing differently, as I am not arguing anything. Just giving my thoughts and beliefs. I think it is splitting hairs a bit by saying there was no organized “Christian “ faith as we know it today. Ok, maybe not by specific name. But God created and ruled the earth, Adam and Eve knew Him, Abraham and Moses did, the Old Testament gives prophecies of Christ coming to save us, which he did. Following God, is following Christ, and they followed God in the Old Testament. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one being, so worshipping one is worshipping all. I don’t agree that the Old Testament is irrelevant, but I can concede that the New Testament describes the means for us to be saved today, which is simply to believe in God, confess your sins and accept Jesus in your heart as the One that died in order to have your sins removed. So, yes, if Bin Laden and the others confessed and accepted Jesus before they died, they went to heaven. There are no exceptions, and nothing so bad that it can’t be confessed and forgiven, as long as you believe in Him. The others that died without repenting had the chance to do it on while on earth. They used their free will to choose not to repent. Which is why all should repent today, and not gamble on being “evil” and then sliding repentance in at the last second before they die....because none of us knows when that may be!

Creationism is interesting, I don’t have data to back things up, but I don’t know if science really proves that the world is as old as it is. They have theories, and dating procedures but at the end of the day there is no one to verify that the testing really is accurate in terms of dating. The cavemen found buried in ice and dinosaurs can’t confirm it, lol! I come from the scientific world, and for predictive testing to be validated, there must be real-time testing next to it to as a baseline of proof. And we also don’t know what was considered a “day” in the Old Testament. Could a day have include thousands of years in earth time? So each Old Testament day allowed for things on earth to evolve, providing somewhat of an amalgamation of both creationism and Big Bang theories? I am simply proposing things here, I have nothing to point to to back this up.

As for other “gods” and religions, for me there is only one true God so if anyone repents to other false gods it won’t get them anywhere. I realize that to some this seems like a fairy tale and not grounded in realism, but that is why faith is required. I have seen many things happen through my life and experiences to back up what I believe. But again, God gave us the free will to choose our faith (or lack thereof).

You seem really knowledgeable about religions, I do appreciate the lively and respectful discussion on it! Although I suppose we’ll get scolded soon for being off-topic! : )

You should really phone in to the Atheist Experience (look them up on youtube). Logic (which I know you apply to almost everything else in your life) is not a tool you are using for your beliefs and someone should expose that to you. Even if you don't give them a call, watch their youtube videos and think about what they show to you. Please try to follow and accept where the logic and evidence leads you. If you have an honest mind and motivation this won't be a problem. But be aware that some truths you will encounter will be harsh and will hurt. But they are still true. Please, give it a go and focus your mind on thinking about what you encounter. Good luck.

You Tube and Queenzone.

Where else would one find the answers that have eluded the rest of mankind .

[QUOTE] [b]Thereuhaveit wrote:[/b][color=blue]Good response, brENsKi[/color] [/QUOTE]But it's all water off a Mallard's back, unfortunately. Person doesn't even begin to be aware of their argument - because they don't even have a basic grasp or understanding of what it is they think they are believing in.


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=brown]We see thing differently, as I am not arguing anything. Just giving my thoughts and beliefs. I think it is splitting hairs a bit by saying there was no organized “Christian “ faith as we know it today. Ok, maybe not by specific name. But God created and ruled the earth, Adam and Eve knew Him, Abraham and Moses did, the Old Testament gives prophecies of Christ coming to save us, which he did. Following God, is following Christ, and they followed God in the Old Testament. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one being, so worshipping one is worshipping all.[/color][/QUOTE]What utter rubbish. God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit did not become ONE until the New Testament - at the Resurrection. The Jews of the old testament were nothing to do with Christianity - Judah (their kingdom) actually comes from Jaweh (which (roughly) translates as priase be to God. Following God is NOT following Christ. There are many Gods out there. And - for someone so allegedly devout - you seem to know and understand so little about your own faith. But I suppose that's what faith is all about - being blind to facts.


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=brown]Creationism is interesting, I don’t have data to back things up, but I don’t know if science really proves that the world is as old as it is. They have theories, and dating procedures but at the end of the day there is no one to verify that the testing really is accurate in terms of dating. The cavemen found buried in ice and dinosaurs can’t confirm it, lol![/color][/QUOTE]You clearly do NOT come from a scientific background. You come from a delusional background. You refute science, because it suits your lame argument. I've yet to hear ONE single believer who could disprove science. Do that (impossible) and YOU may be onto something. You can't - because you're not.


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=brown]As for other “gods” and religions, for me there is only one true God so if anyone repents to other false gods it won’t get them anywhere. I realize that to some this seems like a fairy tale and not grounded in realism, but that is why faith is required.[/color][/QUOTE]It may comfort you now...but one day your God will inevitably let you down. You can't prepare for it, but you will need to see beyond the rubbish old adage "He's testing me" - because he can't be , because HE doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll be disappointed, because you won't. Because, well - when we die there's just eternity of nothing. You won't be aware of this, as you won't be living - so no disappointment because there'll be no conscious realisation.


[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b][color=brown]You seem really knowledgeable about religions, I do appreciate the lively and respectful discussion on it![/color][/QUOTE]Well, I was brought up Catholic - but saw the error of it all at aged 17. Later in life I was Equality Manager in the Prison Service, so there was a lot of "organised religion" to read up on, in order to have a basic understanding of the discusions/points/arguments Prisoners presented.

I don't know if there's a god or a supreme intelligence, or not. I do know this thread is derailed.

Agreed

[QUOTE] [b]miraclesteinway wrote:[/b]I don't know if there's a god or a supreme intelligence, or not. I do know this thread is derailed. [/QUOTE]

Apols if you feel this.
However, at least it's still on the topic of religion (Freddie - or otherwise) which is a lot closer to point than many QZ threads.

It's also worth saying that, comments like those of MyHumanZoo should not go unchallenged. Were that to happen, then those hugely inaccurate comments become established fact, then we're all living MyHumanZoo's "truth".

Idiotic comments by religionists convinced that their theologically semi-literate religious position is the True, Authentic and Unquestionable Truth aside (yes, you, MyHumanZoo)...has it occurred to any of you that for Freddie, being raised a Zoroastrian and growing up in a world where Islam (in Zanzibar) and Hinduism (in Maharashtra) were the dominant religions, Christian stories and symbolism might just have seemed like an exotic and strange mythology to draw from, much like the selective and often superficial interest so many Europeans and Americans took in 'Eastern' religion in the time of Freddie's youth?

As much as we would all like to think, myself included, there is not a scientific explanation for everything in life. What I know and feel is that we all have the love of God, and it makes our lives infinitely better when we realize it and welcome it. It doesn’t mean we’ll never have struggles or bad times, but it gives a joy that helps every day. I hope you all can feel it too! : )

[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b]What I know and feel is that we all have the love of God, and it makes our lives infinitely better when we realize it and welcome it. It doesn’t mean we’ll never have struggles or bad times, but it gives a joy that helps every day. I hope you all can feel it too! : )[/QUOTE]
No YOU don't KNOW "we all have the love of God". YOU BELIEVE we do. Vast world of difference between the two. The fact that you are unable to distinguish between fact and faith, further proves my earlier point - you have no idea about what it actually is you believe in, let alone the stories as told in sacred texts.

And FWIW - please DO NOT include ME in your "hope to feel it too". Keep your hope for those open to fairy stories.