Sadly for me Holly, if Freddie didn't confess his sins and accept Jesus into his heart, believing that Jesus died on the cross to save him from those sins, then he will be in hell. [/QUOTE]
There you go. That's what I'm getting at. I respect that you follow through on the consequences of your beliefs (even if I disagree with them).
[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b]
I earnestly hope that is not the case. Just as I hope that is not the case for anyone. The critical part is, accepting Jesus, and doing our best to follow Him. [/QUOTE]
You earnestly hope? The consequences of your belief system are that [b]billions[/b] of people are suffering endless agony for eternity because they don't believe in just one (your god) of the 3000 or so gods that humanity has worshipped in recorded history. Why would a just, fair, and loving God set up a system such as that?
[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b]
The critical part is, accepting Jesus, and doing our best to follow Him. [/QUOTE]
Am I right in saying then that all the people who died before Jesus was born are now in hell?
Holly2003 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]CHEVYMAN wrote:[/b]
I’m pushing no one to accept God that’s your buisness between you and him. Just because you don’t believe in him doesn’t make you a bad person. But I do believe he exists and will continue too.The only thing that bothered me is the conversation about Freddie being in hell because he was gay and didn’t repent for his sin. I know this is wrong it’s my opinion and I stand by it. Even against my own family I stand by this subject matter so I got no problem doing it here.[/QUOTE]
That's all irrelevant to the question I asked. Do you believe the Bible is the word of God?
CHEVYMAN · Member since
Yes I do but I believe it’s misinterpreted by people they don’t understand the scriptures.
CHEVYMAN · Member since
Man transcribed the Bible though from findings but yes it’s the word of God.
CHEVYMAN · Member since
God is a God of kindness , love, joy, and, peace. I don’t see him sending people to burn in a lake of fire for all eternity. I also don’t believe any man is an abomination to God . Freddie wasn’t either. He made mistakes we are all human but being a beautiful gifted spirit wasn’t one of those mistakes. I know everyone seen his Garden Lodge tapes with Jim . The first time I seen him laugh and throw his hands up with such joy you could tell his his heart and soul was in the right place. His creator made no mistake with him he was absolutely beautiful so were the other young men there that day. Yes There is a God and a Bible . But Freddie and the many other young men that lost their lives to AIDS aren’t burning in hell.My opinion they did however leave earth to young.
Saint Jiub · Member since
... by the way, I am an athiest.
Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed.
So why study the Bible at all? Since it's loaded with contradictions and translation errors and wasn't written by witnesses and includes words added by unknown scribes to inject Church orthodoxy, should it just be abandoned?
But the history, complexities and actual words of the Bible can't be ignored just to line it up with what people want to believe, based simply on what friends and family and ministers tell them. Nowhere in the Gospels or Acts of Epistles or Apocalypses does the New Testament say it is the inerrant word of God. It couldn't—the people who authored each section had no idea they were composing the Christian Bible, and they were long dead before what they wrote was voted by members of political and theological committees to be the New Testament.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Saint Jiub wrote:[/b]... by the way, I am an athiest.
Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed.
So why study the Bible at all? .[/QUOTE]
c'mon. you know the answer to this:
people study the bible for the same reason they go to mass, confession, receive the sacraments, have their kids baptised etc etc etc.
because Fairy Stories are a crutch for those ill-equipped for actually dealing with the harsh realities that life can throw at us.
so much easier to spout the time-honored mantras:
"God's testing me"
"my reward will be in heaven"
"God took **** (who i care for) away from us, because they were too good for this world"
yes, so much easier than just actually being grounded in reality.
CHEVYMAN · Member since
Brenski, I have always been equipped to deal with my reality since I was a young child. I have tried to escape nothing through religion or confession. I handled things head on since 6 years old. Coming from a drug crazed family on one end and on the other end a nice catholic middle class family that looked perfect on the outside.I survived it and it wasn’t through confessing my sins to man.It wasn’t my sins that needed confessing.It was the sins of the grandfather lol.But being the good catholic he was he ate his waifer and drank his wine he was a great catholic man.So really I don’t need to hear anything about escaping reality some of us kids in nice suburban homes lived a house of horrors and no one was any wiser.
CHEVYMAN · Member since
Saint Juib, Dinosaurs I don’t get it. I know some very kind giving atheist. It’s a persons right to believe as they wish and not be pressured by someone otherwise.
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Saint Jiub wrote:[/b]... by the way, I am an athiest.
Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed.
So why study the Bible at all? .[/QUOTE]
c'mon. you know the answer to this:
people study the bible for the same reason they go to mass, confession, receive the sacraments, have their kids baptised etc etc etc.
because Fairy Stories are a crutch for those ill-equipped for actually dealing with the harsh realities that life can throw at us.
so much easier to spout the time-honored mantras:
"God's testing me"
"my reward will be in heaven"
"God took **** (who i care for) away from us, because they were too good for this world"
yes, so much easier than just actually being grounded in reality.
[/QUOTE]
I did not write "So why study the Bible at all?"
That quote is from the Newsweek link I provided.
However, I did write "Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed."
I wrote that to get a response from those self-assured stone throwers who ignore scientific evidence and/or historical records in order to portray their own reasoned opinions (or rambled incoherencies) as absolute fact.
** The above is not directed at ThomasQuinn or Holly.
FreddieDearie · Member since
Saint Juib,
You ignore evidence just as much as any religious person and believe in a fairytales... so I advise you get off your hypocritical high horse,
You’ve just replaced the Bible with ”Mercury and Me” as your ”Holy Word”.
MyHumanZoo · Member since
As far as the Bible goes, I study it and take my lessons from it. I don’t know that it contains errors...that would be individual interpretation. Most of the information stays fairly consistent, meaning love your neighbor, follow God and maintain righteousness, confess your sins, and spread his word, accept him in your heart. People can dissect things and claim differences and untruth, but for me it’s clear.
Before Jesus died for our sins, the people had to confess their sins and make animal sacrifices for them. They had to follow practices of not eating unclean food and the like. So that’s how people prior to Jesus went to heaven. Jesus died so that we wouldn’t have to make sacrifices, he made the ultimate sacrifice for us.
The fact that billions of people may go to hell is not especially palatable to us, but God created free will for us to follow Him. If you choose not to, then that is unfortunately the fate. He wants us to follow Him by choice, and making the choice to follow him leads to a life striving to be the best we can be. It doesn’t guarantee a life free of challenges and struggles, but it gives us a means to manage and move on. I’ve lived both ways, and I would never want to return to my life without Christianity!
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]MyHumanZoo wrote:[/b]
As far as the Bible goes, I study it and take my lessons from it. I don’t know that it contains errors...that would be individual interpretation. Most of the information stays fairly consistent, meaning love your neighbor, follow God and maintain righteousness, confess your sins, and spread his word, accept him in your heart. People can dissect things and claim differences and untruth, but for me it’s clear.
Before Jesus died for our sins, the people had to confess their sins and make animal sacrifices for them. They had to follow practices of not eating unclean food and the like. So that’s how people prior to Jesus went to heaven. Jesus died so that we wouldn’t have to make sacrifices, he made the ultimate sacrifice for us.
The fact that billions of people may go to hell is not especially palatable to us, but God created free will for us to follow Him. If you choose not to, then that is unfortunately the fate. He wants us to follow Him by choice, and making the choice to follow him leads to a life striving to be the best we can be. It doesn’t guarantee a life free of challenges and struggles, but it gives us a means to manage and move on. I’ve lived both ways, and I would never want to return to my life without Christianity![/QUOTE]
What arrogance, You are oh so certain that billions of people are going to hell. You have a lot of faith in a vengeful god.
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Are you submissive to your husband as to the lord?
The bible is written by men and subject to errors over the millenia. I recommend reading the Newsweek link that I provided.
CHEVYMAN · Member since
Saint. It’s not arrogance he has experienced what they call salvation once this is experience one leaves their old ways behind. It’s a spiritual change that happens without you really realizing it has happened. It’s like after salvation walking outside imagine everything going on around you and it is moving fast and your body feels presemt but it has changed everything around you other than your relationship with God has and will change without you even doing a thing. God changes your desires. I’m glad My Human Zoo shared his testimony that was beautiful.
FreddieDearie · Member since
No, it's arrogance. He’s experienced an interpretation of events which he has chosen to have faith in even when facts and evidence prove some aspects false,
Not everything is ”interpretation”. Some things are valid conclusions based on evidence.
But people, say everything is up, reinterpretation because they want to ignore when they’re probably wrong.
People in cults experience ”changes all-around them” and those ”feelings” of salvation. That doesn't make any of it true.
