May - Descending Further Into The Abyss

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]The guy has completely lost the plot sadly - just a few examples:[/QUOTE]
unlike ruiner_70, who's never shared the same postcode as a plot


[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]*His rants on badgers
*Wearing silly robot and cat masques
*No new solo music for 22 years
*Rants about being "Vegan" and "Veganuary"
*All the lies in the movie and defending those by saying "no we really did not tour for ages before Live Aid"

Seems he has first stages of Alzheimer's or other diseases. Just like Ozzy Osbourne.[/QUOTE]
I don't ever recall Ozzy Osbourne having done any of the above - you vacuous nebula


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Ozzy has Parkinson's, not Alzheimer's.

@ Brenski - If as you say they are telling the truth, then they have let down their colleague who is not here to defend himself and this does not look good on May and Taylor!
I hope it is not that way!. They have been respectful about Freddie this far, why would they want to let him down now?

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b] I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [b]dudeofqueen wrote:[/b] Death to ming, re: >It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. Its. A. Cat. Foxes don't have whiskers you fucking bell-end; haven't they taought you that at school yet?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]If as you say, they meant to say that movie is the truth, then in the next line, they say they did not have any control in the movie. It does not make sense. why are they then defending themselves?[/QUOTE]

I don't think they're defending themselves. I think what they're actually doing is saying that: the movie makers backed the movie with a huge amount of financial support, for that they wanted to make a 'warts n all' movie.

It's agreed the "timelines" were played with to give the movie a "flow" rather than appear as several disjointed events.

However, I think that the vast majority of the actual content is accurate enough for Brian and Roger to have to almost apologise, a sort of:-
"Sorry folks, if it was down to us we'd have only included the nice stuff, however we were not the financiers/movie makers - and they wanted to show the rough and the smooth"

it's like the truth was so painful, they watched the movie through their own hands held to their own faces - almost cringing at the reality of how they sometimes were as a band.:
"ooh fuck, that did happen, we were arseholes often, and now the world knows"

The rose-tinted specs have been removed. unfortunately, for some: Brian, Roger and many fans the answer appears to be to replace the rose-tinted specs with blinkers and an oxy acetylene mask

[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]

The Real Wizard is a Brian May sheep who thinks he is shitting golden bricks and always tells the truth. Too bad none of that is true.....[/QUOTE]

The Real Wizard, along with one or two other contributors to the forum know a lot more than you know or even understand.

You saying it didn't happen, it didn't happen, I've got no proof but it didn't happen etc etc is far less credible than someone saying in this time frame this might have happened or even this happened because. . . .

Sorry @Brenski - I do not agree with what you say. Are you saying everything that was said in the past was incorrect and the movie is the 'absolute truth'.

Anyway, you have made your point and I don't agree with you.

I would rather go with the facts presented thru numerous interviews and documentary than with the fictional movie!

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b] [QUOTE] [b]dudeofqueen wrote:[/b] Death to ming, re: >It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. Its. A. Cat. Foxes don't have whiskers you fucking bell-end; haven't they taought you that at school yet?[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Doesn't this prove the lack of knowledge some on here peruse there stupid arguments with. A lack,of knowledge and the feeling that there supposed position of knowledge is license to be insulting little dweebs with it. . dudeofqueen, they obviously taught something at school but you failed to learn.

[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]Sorry @Brenski - I do not agree with what you say. Are you saying everything that was said in the past was incorrect and the movie is the 'absolute truth'.
Anyway, you have made your point and I don't agree with you.

I would rather go with the facts presented thru numerous interviews and documentary than with the fictional movie![/QUOTE]

okay, and I fully respect your right to believe what you want. But, consider this:
>> almost all interviews are sanitised, there are lots of subjects that are off limits, questions are agreed before an interview is granted.
>> documentaries - usually commissioned by the band are edited.
and, here's the thing - a painful truth many of the Freddie faithful blindingly refuse to countenance:
>> Freddie - as rock musicians go, was the ultimate hedonist.
He shagged around for several years, showing no regard for his own health or those he was shagging.
He smoked, drank and took drugs too. One of his "substances of choice" is known for causing unpredictable and irrational behaviour. Hitting someone with a mirror is hardly crime of the century, but to some here it's unthinkable. That says more about that area of the fandom than it does Freddie.

The overriding factor in the "mirror incident"? If it hadn't happened then family and friends (knowing it to be untrue) would've sued for defamation by now.

[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]
All these interviews tell not about the band breaking up, just taking a break from each other for some time as they did after the end of Hot space tour in 1982 ! Why would they want to break up after live aid after that enormous success? It does not make sense. [/QUOTE]

It's semantics. In Hindsight these "short splits" appear to be nothing more than breaks. But in the reality of the events at the time, they were actual splits. People walk away from things all the time - relationships are a good example. many couples split and reconcile, others split and stay split. There isn't a "minimum time limit" qualification to be counted as a split.
The band couldn't work with PP around, so they gave Freddie the ultimatum. It appeared to work. In the cold light of day Freddie knew the guy was a destructive influence - PP was Queen's "Yoko" element.

[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]
All these interviews tell not about the band breaking up, just taking a break from each other for some time as they did after the end of Hot space tour in 1982 ! Why would they want to break up after live aid after that enormous success? It does not make sense. [/QUOTE]

It's semantics. In Hindsight these "short splits" appear to be nothing more than breaks. But in the reality of the events at the time, they were actual splits. People walk away from things all the time - relationships are a good example. many couples split and reconcile, others split and stay split. There isn't a "minimum time limit" qualification to be counted as a split.

The band state that : they couldn't work with PP around, so they gave Freddie the ultimatum. It appeared to work. In the cold light of day Freddie knew the guy was a destructive influence - PP was Queen's "Yoko" element.

PP's family tell a different story about the reasons for the split, but they do confirm the band split up:
"Paul convinced the band to get back together for Live Aid according to the family, which is represented in the film as the polar opposite"

so regardless of whether the reasons for the split are correct, BOTH sides of the argument confirm there was a split.

@Brenski - I read that article by PP's family too.

They mention Paul was instrumental in bring queen together for live aid. But we don't see any picture of him at live aid venue. Not even a single picture!

Also if he was with the band till 1986, what was his role? I read somewhere Freddie retained him as his personal manager to manage activities for his solo stuff probably until end of 1985. His name is conspicuously absent from 'A kind of magic' album credits.

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[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]@Brenski - I read that article by PP's family too.
They mention Paul was instrumental in bring queen together for live aid. But we don't see any picture of him at live aid venue. Not even a single picture! [/QUOTE]

exactly my point. it's irrelevant who brought the band back together. the only important fact is that they did actually split.
Both sides - the band and Prenter's family have confirmed this.

If two sides of disagreement both agree on one thing, then that one thing must be true.
so others claiming they never split are definitely wrong.

ok.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]JS21 wrote:[/b]@Brenski - I read that article by PP's family too.
They mention Paul was instrumental in bring queen together for live aid. But we don't see any picture of him at live aid venue. Not even a single picture! [/QUOTE]

exactly my point. it's irrelevant who brought the band back together. the only important fact is that they did actually split.
Both sides - the band and Prenter's family have confirmed this.

If two sides of disagreement both agree on one thing, then that one thing must be true.
so others claiming they never split are definitely wrong.

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They split with Paul on common agreement. The band itself did not split because of Paul. Don t believe the May lies