John's songs- no leaked demos

An interesting thing came up as I was thinking about Queen demos that have been leaked in various forms- hardly any of John's compositions have seen the light of day in their embryonic stages. Granted, he wrote less than the others, but no demos of You're My Best Friend, You and I, Another One Bites the Dust, Need Your Loving Tonight and I Want to Break Free have ever emerged. Was he a bit more protective of his babies?

What? John has long been out of business in QPL. Everyone is ruled by Brian and Roger.

i'd say that that he really didn't start writing more than 1-2 songs per LP until the mid-80s.
so any demos/outtakes are less likely to surface (statistically) for the songs you mention.

He probably knew what he wanted straight away. Or maybe he didn't find the need to overwork or work too hard on them otherwise they could've lost the "magic".

[QUOTE] [b]Young Music Fan wrote:[/b]

He probably knew what he wanted straight away. Or maybe he didn't find the need to overwork or work too hard on them otherwise they could've lost the "magic".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [b]Young Music Fan wrote:[/b]He probably knew what he wanted straight away. Or maybe he didn't find the need to overwork or work too hard on them otherwise they could've lost the "magic".[/QUOTE]

I doubt that is very likely. The writing and recording process isn't like "one-shot" photography - there'd be lots of WIP stuff - especially when you read Deacon's comments on how ANOBTD was constructed. Songs like SYW, YMBF, Misfire, You and I, If You Can't Beat Them and Who Needs You, definitely weren't "one or two take" songs

Up until 1980 he was barely getting a "writing" look-in on each LP. So, in addition to the fact that (statistically) there's be less "John" demos than say "Freddie" or "Brian" during the same period, they will still exist somewhere.
I'd also suggest that, the fact that he was only getting one or two songs per LP would mean he got "longer" to work on his projects. This would mean more opportunity to rework, which means more time for his ideas = more home demos, meaning more potential revisions.

I think another possible fact for not hearing many John compositions in demo form: his retirement. There's more Roger/Brian and Fred stuff appearing in demo/rough mixes on deluxe editions/re-releases, because the "permission" issues are probably easier. John retired in 1998, this may have meant his WIPs may have gone under lock and key - so not as much chances of "Internet Age Leakages"

A lot will also depend upon what kind of "publishing deal" John agreed to, and if it ever expired, or is null upon his retirement.

In any (still in existence) publishing deal the key may be
what control of copyright he waived (e.g. his moral rights – is he
able to refuse his song to be used in certain ways?)

I've no idea if these are significant considerations, just putting them out there as possibilities for why all those "extra tracks" that see the day on official re-releases don't tend to have many "John" inclusions. Conjecture - I know, but perhaps a combination of these possible factors ?

Chuck Norris had a master. That Master's name was John Deacon.






*But seriously... this is a good question for the remaining duo. Who Needs You got a demo released and i actually like the performance better on it. Isn't as polished and it's fun. Maybe he recorded full demos or recorded 5-10 second bites indicating different parts of the song

After you stupidly explained why there isn't a double album, now you continue in the same vein by explaining why there is no Deacon demo.
It seems that you found for yourself a good niche as an expert of what might have been in Queen history, Brenski.

[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]After you stupidly explained why there isn't a double album, now you continue in the same vein by explaining why there is no Deacon demo.
It seems that you found for yourself a good niche as an expert of what might have been in Queen history, Brenski.[/QUOTE]

ffs - who rattled your padded cell?
i said - in much the same way as the "Double Album" Thread - that these were ideas.

i don;t claim that what I've typed are facts - just ideas, based on sound reasoning.

and the thread you are referring to, i last posted in (just once) in 2005 !!!
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/574057/queen-double-album.aspx - a reply which NO ONE argued with at the time!
and even in this thread from December, we had a civil discussion
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1580196/queen-ii-the-missing-bits.aspx?page=2

but seeing as you were so nice, i will give you ONE FACT - you;re a complete and utter moron.

How many home demos are "out there" for ANY Queen songs?

Would love to know

[QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]

How many home demos are "out there" for ANY Queen songs?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure that there would be any in the 80s onwards because when they were recording in the studio they were often on their own or at the very least not all there at the same time. However, the 70s especially the earlier albums there may be several recordings, a home recording by Brian in the 60s of White Queen has always rumoured to have existed.

[QUOTE] [b]Young Music Fan wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]How many home demos are "out there" for ANY Queen songs?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure that there would be any in the 80s onwards because when they were recording in the studio they were often on their own or at the very least not all there at the same time. However, the 70s especially the earlier albums there may be several recordings, a home recording by Brian in the 60s of White Queen has always rumoured to have existed.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't rule it out completely, well not just yet.
Even as recently as 2018, there were Beatles "White Album" demos leaked. so you never know.

I think there are less demo's of John because wouldn't sing. I can imagine his ideas where more loose because he needed Freddie to give a voice to his ideas

I would imagine there ARE home demos for most songs (whether they still exist is another thing), but I'm not aware of Queen home demos being plentiful - so why would anyone then expect there to be any of John's songs floating about? They all had home studios, and recorded stuff to bring to the band so there's no reason to not imagine there are a lot in the archives. But as shown on the NOTW set - they will not release any, but may produce hybrid songs using different elements of them.