Now, regarding the people who have seen Brian be nice one day and a bastard the next - why are you trying to meet him so much? Once you've met him, you've met him. I met him once in 2011, and I don't feel the need to hound him for another meeting. I'd get pissed seeing the same people wanting something from me on a regular basis. How many autographs and photos do you need?
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James, you do not need to "want" something from Brian to see him in the backstage door area, it's usually the area where I meet my friends after the concert. I am NOT someone to try and pose for a stupid selfie and then post it on facebook or such, I really resent this idea. I have been only a witness to Brian's behaviour (which is usually top) in public space. I never wait for an artist at his hotel, chase his car, go to the airport or anything like that. The backstage door is the place where fans wait for the artist before or after a concert and if they are lucky, they get an autograph or selfie, if they are unlucky they don't get what they want, it's the name of the game. Most artists and most fans have no problem with that arrangement. When Brian loses his temper in this environment it's not the fans who are to blame.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
May is ridiculous enough these days. Is there any rockstar on the planet that went down the toilet like him? From a respected artist to a laughing stock.
Freddie protected him more than he deserved in the active Queen days it seems[/QUOTE]
You're so full of shit someone needs to flush you before you get totally blocked.
Your unjust hate for forum members and members of the band is unbelievable. You've had the situation explained to you be Rockchic's posting of Brian May's post which includes details involving people who were witness to the encounter.
It proved your initial reaction was wrong, so you move your focus slightly and still carry on with your same stink filled bile even accusing Brian of hitting the guy.
You're so empty of real life experiences you have to invent things to rant about, you pathetic little dweeb.
Vocal harmony · Member since
Double post
runner_70 · Member since
Nothing invented. An ex legend hitting a camera guy doing his job. End of discussion. Just because you are a May sheep doesnt make this lame action better. His lame excuse packed in drivel surely didn't. The guy has lost the plot that is for sure. Hiring karaoke singers saving badgers and hitting cameramen. Nice....
Thistle · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Thistle wrote:[/b]
Now, regarding the people who have seen Brian be nice one day and a bastard the next - why are you trying to meet him so much? Once you've met him, you've met him. I met him once in 2011, and I don't feel the need to hound him for another meeting. I'd get pissed seeing the same people wanting something from me on a regular basis. How many autographs and photos do you need?
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James, you do not need to "want" something from Brian to see him in the backstage door area, it's usually the area where I meet my friends after the concert. I am NOT someone to try and pose for a stupid selfie and then post it on facebook or such, I really resent this idea. I have been only a witness to Brian's behaviour (which is usually top) in public space. I never wait for an artist at his hotel, chase his car, go to the airport or anything like that. The backstage door is the place where fans wait for the artist before or after a concert and if they are lucky, they get an autograph or selfie, if they are unlucky they don't get what they want, it's the name of the game. Most artists and most fans have no problem with that arrangement. When Brian loses his temper in this environment it's not the fans who are to blame.
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That's fair Barbara, but there are people who do turn up for more and more meetings, more and more selfies and more and more autographs, and the question really is aimed at them. I personally would hate seeing the same faces looking for something at every opportunity.
I know people (really close pals) who do it, and I really don't understand it. I've asked them several times what they get out of it.
k-m · Member since
Wow, didn't think this minor incident would provoke a 7-page discussion here and I'm not even going to pretend I read all this. Anyway, after seeing the media coverage on this really silly issue, I thought I'd contribute.
First of all, congrats to Brian. I'm actually not sure how long I'd be able to put up with these obvious "parasites" myself, if I ever got the attention, lol. Btw, nice word and quite a respected one at the time! Parasite ;-) [the Oscars]
Secondly, it felt like the first time the man really told the truth in quite a while (ref. "BoRhap" the movie), so even more kudos from me.
Thirdly, well I'm not really sure what else to say. Perhaps a little nod to runner_70 - honestly not everything he does is bad. Of course, I have criticised him many times on this forum as well for the repetitive playlists, whitewashing, problematic memory and basically not putting out much "new" since 1998, but hey, none of it is an offence to humanity. Agreed? Trust me, the rest of the world doesn't care anyway what we say on these fora, Queen has long been a phenomenon of its own.
Cheers.
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]ST16 wrote:[/b]
@Real Wizzard / Brenski Are you going to slag Brian because he made a spelling mistake here :
Channel 7’s behaviour. But I haven’t been able to trace the other fans … send me message if your read this, guys.
Thanks for this rockchic.
Should say " Send me message if YOU read this guys" !
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Your poor grammar is recurrent, hilarious, and legendary, as well as consistent with your poor character traits.
Your continued repetition of poor grammar, is much more abhorrent than occasional typos or isolated misspellings.
splicksplack · Member since
It appears that the only thing that the cameraman did was film BM when BM asked him not to. It goes with the territory. If it upsets him then he can comfort himself in the knowledge of what else fame and fortune has brought.
The camerman was some distance away from him when BM said “You put it down now or something ugly happens. Do you understand?”
I studied law and, although I am not sure about Australian law, in the UK to say the above would be regarded as ‘a threat of impending violence” (whether by BM, his security or some other means). It is the criminal act of assault under Section 39 of the CJA 1988 (if extended to an actual physical attack it would also be battery). If tried, punishable by a max of 6 months imprisonment. It is clear that there is no defence available, (i.e. no self defence etc)
(A quick Google confirms that in Australia 'common assault is usually proved when an argument with another individual was accompanied by threats’.)
I’m sure Mr. Beach could advise although I suspect Contract law is his speciality.
BM is a world famous celebrity and the cameraman was just doing his job. BM had absolutely no right to threaten him and he owes him an apology.
YourValentine · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Thistle wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Thistle wrote:[/b]
Now, regarding the people who have seen Brian be nice one day and a bastard the next - why are you trying to meet him so much? Once you've met him, you've met him. I met him once in 2011, and I don't feel the need to hound him for another meeting. I'd get pissed seeing the same people wanting something from me on a regular basis. How many autographs and photos do you need?
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James, you do not need to "want" something from Brian to see him in the backstage door area, it's usually the area where I meet my friends after the concert. I am NOT someone to try and pose for a stupid selfie and then post it on facebook or such, I really resent this idea. I have been only a witness to Brian's behaviour (which is usually top) in public space. I never wait for an artist at his hotel, chase his car, go to the airport or anything like that. The backstage door is the place where fans wait for the artist before or after a concert and if they are lucky, they get an autograph or selfie, if they are unlucky they don't get what they want, it's the name of the game. Most artists and most fans have no problem with that arrangement. When Brian loses his temper in this environment it's not the fans who are to blame.
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That's fair Barbara, but there are people who do turn up for more and more meetings, more and more selfies and more and more autographs, and the question really is aimed at them. I personally would hate seeing the same faces looking for something at every opportunity.
I know people (really close pals) who do it, and I really don't understand it. I've asked them several times what they get out of it.
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I have wondered that myself, James. However, when Brian is in a bad mood he seems to direct his bad mood at people quite randomly. I's not: "Hey you - I saw you on previous occasions, can't you spend your money somewhere else?", it's totally unpredictable - and not so often as it sounds right now. I saw him lash out against people in the rudest way only to change his mind and then sign stuff quite patiently. I know he has depression and all that but for a random fan such an experience can be very disturbing. After all, he is an adult with lots of life experience and not a teenager. As to the people who keep showing up for more selfies and autographs: they spend a LOT of money for that and they really earned their spot with paying quite substantial sums for travelling and expensive tickets. They are the core customers who buy any product, an artist should be happy about them and not be annoyed - I think that Brian basically really appreciates these fans.
Star* · Member since
@Siant Jiub That was not my bad grammar i provided it was actually Brian May's statement that i quoted !
So are you going to tell Brian he is also uneducated then?
k-m · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]splicksplack wrote:[/b]
It appears that the only thing that the cameraman did was film BM when BM asked him not to. It goes with the territory. If it upsets him then he can comfort himself in the knowledge of what else fame and fortune has brought.
The camerman was some distance away from him when BM said “You put it down now or something ugly happens. Do you understand?”
I studied law and, although I am not sure about Australian law, in the UK to say the above would be regarded as ‘a threat of impending violence” (whether by BM, his security or some other means). It is the criminal act of assault under Section 39 of the CJA 1988 (if extended to an actual physical attack it would also be battery). If tried, punishable by a max of 6 months imprisonment. It is clear that there is no defence available, (i.e. no self defence etc)
(A quick Google confirms that in Australia 'common assault is usually proved when an argument with another individual was accompanied by threats’.)
I’m sure Mr. Beach could advise although I suspect Contract law is his speciality.
BM is a world famous celebrity and the cameraman was just doing his job. BM had absolutely no right to threaten him and he owes him an apology.[/QUOTE]
Well, I wouldn't want to end up with you representing me if you think "it's clear there is no defence". Did you read Brian said afterwards he has been struggling with depression recently? I suspect he doesn't have a criminal record either and the matter would probably end up in Justice of the Peace Court if the police were stupid enough to report it in the first place. He'd end up with an alternative to prosecution probably, considering his huge contribution otherwise on other levels. 6 months imprisonment, what on earth are you talking about... Judges see worse every day in the courtroom actually. And finally, no Brian doesn't owe him anything. He clearly asked him many times to stop, he didn't. If anything, Brian might have pointed to a loophole in the law.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Nothing invented. An ex legend hitting a camera guy doing his job. End of discussion. . . . . . . . . .and hitting cameramen. Nice....[/QUOTE]
You stated nothing invented then you repeate exactly what you invented. . . Twice in the same post.
Then you controlling the situation claiming "end of discussion". No it isn't because you're blatant untrue comment doesn't match what the footage shows. Grabbing a phone isn't hitting someone.
You'd like it to be the end of the discussion so your twisted views will be mistaken as fact.
splicksplack · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]splicksplack wrote:[/b]
It appears that the only thing that the cameraman did was film BM when BM asked him not to. It goes with the territory. If it upsets him then he can comfort himself in the knowledge of what else fame and fortune has brought.
The camerman was some distance away from him when BM said “You put it down now or something ugly happens. Do you understand?”
I studied law and, although I am not sure about Australian law, in the UK to say the above would be regarded as ‘a threat of impending violence” (whether by BM, his security or some other means). It is the criminal act of assault under Section 39 of the CJA 1988 (if extended to an actual physical attack it would also be battery). If tried, punishable by a max of 6 months imprisonment. It is clear that there is no defence available, (i.e. no self defence etc)
(A quick Google confirms that in Australia 'common assault is usually proved when an argument with another individual was accompanied by threats’.)
I’m sure Mr. Beach could advise although I suspect Contract law is his speciality.
BM is a world famous celebrity and the cameraman was just doing his job. BM had absolutely no right to threaten him and he owes him an apology.[/QUOTE]
Well, I wouldn't want to end up with you representing me if you think "it's clear there is no defence". Did you read Brian said afterwards he has been struggling with depression recently? I suspect he doesn't have a criminal record either and the matter would probably end up in Justice of the Peace Court if the police were stupid enough to report it in the first place. He'd end up with an alternative to prosecution probably, considering his huge contribution otherwise on other levels. 6 months imprisonment, what on earth are you talking about... Judges see worse every day in the courtroom actually. And finally, no Brian doesn't owe him anything. He clearly asked him many times to stop, he didn't. If anything, Brian might have pointed to a loophole in the law.
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splicksplack · Member since
k-m...
I'm not a barrister so I couldn't represent you or anyone else. I'm just stating the law as it stands.
Depression is not a legal defence against assault. The law is the law and not what you may think is fair or common sense. There is an 'Insanity"defence but episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act would have to be proven. I very much doubt that would be possible when he appears to be carrying on with the rest of his life and a very demanding job.
Charges are based on the whether the potential defendant (BM) would be found guilty, not on whether he has previous convictions. Otherwise no-one would ever get charged in the first place. In this case there is clear video evidence of BM's assault on the cameraman. He is seen and heard making the threat which is a criminal act. The fact he asked the cameraman to stop filming does not give BM the right to commit a crime.
'Justice Of The Peace Courts' only exist in Scotland (where they can pass custodial sentences if required).
You say "6 months imprisonment, what on earth are you talking about". If you read again what I said I merely pointed out that the maximum sentence for assault is 6 months (not what BM would get if tried). This was to show how serious the law regards assault. And of course "Judges see worse every day in the courtroom" but that does not negate lesser crimes.
You also say "if the police were stupid enough to report it in the first place'. It is the cameraman who would report it. To the police. And then based on the evidence the police would ask the cameraman if he wants to press charges. That is the cameraman's decision, not the police. It's then up to the prosecutor based on the (clear) evidence.
Finally you say "Brian might have pointed to a loophole in the law". Please elaborate because filming a celebrity in public for a few minutes, especially when he is in his celebrity role (signing autographs), is not an offence.
But assault is.
Star* · Member since
@Spilicksplack Yeah i thought along the same line as you in that the camera man was not in Brian's personal space like he said.
The camera was a good distance away from Brian, and if anyone needs an apology it is the camera man.
May is talking bullshit and what did he expect getting off a plane in Brisbane, that there would be nobody there and he could tip toe to his hotel?
