How to sing Show must go On

That dude does not sound like Bruce. They are one of my fav bands and I have seen them numerous times. Bruce sings like he could be an opera singer and has an amazing voice. He hits the high notes effortlessly. I don't hear much within youtube guys voice that reminds me of Bruce at all. Bruce has a A+ voice, IMO. I haven't gone to a concert for a few years, but he still sounds awesome on their new music.

Totally off this subject, but I watched the older movie, A Star is Born, with Streisand last night. I bet I hadn't seen it in 30 years and had forgotten how remarkable her voice is. It is big and powerful, but also very nuanced, capable of hitting the highest notes without any shrillness and it just made me cry, it was so beautiful. She doesn't strain and has just a bit of vibrato and it sounds and she looks effortless when she sings. It reminded me very much of Adam's voice and the effortlessness he displays when singing.

I know you keep talking about weak voices, Runner, but you are so wrong. I have seen Adam numerous times and I am telling you that when he sings, he can knock the roof off the place. He often holds that mike a long ways from his mouth so it isn't too loud. Having a higher pitched voice is not weak. You don't seem to be able to understand that people's voices vary dependent on whether or not they are tenors, baritones, basses, altos, or sopranos. They can all be powerful singers, but they will all sound different from one another. You just seem to believe that a higher voice is powerless! Not so! Gritty is also nice, but a lot of singers don't have that. Metal singers are rock singers, but they don't tend to be gritty singers. They are, however, still rock singers. Within rock there are many different kinds of voices. Freddie and Adam have two entirely different voices, so Adam will never sound like Freddie, nor Bruce, and you can't expect him to sing like either of them. With QAL the music has a different sound and feel to it because it is someone else singing. That is what Roger and Brian wanted, not a Freddie clone. Most people are very satisfied with the collaboration as it is a wonderful concert. You don't have to like it, but talking about Adam like you always do is not called for.

I believe the thing about a star or remarkable singer is when their voice sounds like no other. I can pick out Elvis, Bruce, Adam, Freddie and many, many others because their voice is distinctive. That more than anything determines whether they become well known singers. I won't confuse ACDC with Metallica, as I know the singer's voice, but if someone else sings it, I can tell immediately. You have to have a voice with qualities that are all your own to ever be a famous singer. I know whether it is Tony Bennett or Sinatra or Perry Como after a couple notes. You won't become a famous singer unless your voice is one of a kind. That is why there are tons of people out there on the Voice, etc, and they have technically wonderful voices, but it sounds like every other wonderful voice. You have to have a very special quality in your voice for you to become recognized and Freddie, Bruce and Adam all have their own special sound. As soon as you hear a song, you can say that it is Freddie or Adam. I know if it is Lauper or Cher or Streisand immediately. That is what determines whether you will be big time or not.

[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]

That dude does not sound like Bruce. They are one of my fav bands and I have seen them numerous times. Bruce sings like he could be an opera singer and has an amazing voice. He hits the high notes effortlessly. I don't hear much within youtube guys voice that reminds me of Bruce at all. Bruce has a A+ voice, IMO. I haven't gone to a concert for a few years, but he still sounds awesome on their new music.

Totally off this subject, but I watched the older movie, A Star is Born, with Streisand last night. I bet I hadn't seen it in 30 years and had forgotten how remarkable her voice is. It is big and powerful, but also very nuanced, capable of hitting the highest notes without any shrillness and it just made me cry, it was so beautiful. She doesn't strain and has just a bit of vibrato and it sounds and she looks effortless when she sings. It reminded me very much of Adam's voice and the effortlessness he displays when singing.

I know you keep talking about weak voices, Runner, but you are so wrong. I have seen Adam numerous times and I am telling you that when he sings, he can knock the roof off the place. He often holds that mike a long ways from his mouth so it isn't too loud. Having a higher pitched voice is not weak. You don't seem to be able to understand that people's voices vary dependent on whether or not they are tenors, baritones, basses, altos, or sopranos. They can all be powerful singers, but they will all sound different from one another. You just seem to believe that a higher voice is powerless! Not so! Gritty is also nice, but a lot of singers don't have that. Metal singers are rock singers, but they don't tend to be gritty singers. They are, however, still rock singers. Within rock there are many different kinds of voices. Freddie and Adam have two entirely different voices, so Adam will never sound like Freddie, nor Bruce, and you can't expect him to sing like either of them. With QAL the music has a different sound and feel to it because it is someone else singing. That is what Roger and Brian wanted, not a Freddie clone. Most people are very satisfied with the collaboration as it is a wonderful concert. You don't have to like it, but talking about Adam like you always do is not called for.

I believe the thing about a star or remarkable singer is when their voice sounds like no other. I can pick out Elvis, Bruce, Adam, Freddie and many, many others because their voice is distinctive. That more than anything determines whether they become well known singers. I won't confuse ACDC with Metallica, as I know the singer's voice, but if someone else sings it, I can tell immediately. You have to have a voice with qualities that are all your own to ever be a famous singer. I know whether it is Tony Bennett or Sinatra or Perry Como after a couple notes. You won't become a famous singer unless your voice is one of a kind. That is why there are tons of people out there on the Voice, etc, and they have technically wonderful voices, but it sounds like every other wonderful voice. You have to have a very special quality in your voice for you to become recognized and Freddie, Bruce and Adam all have their own special sound. As soon as you hear a song, you can say that it is Freddie or Adam. I know if it is Lauper or Cher or Streisand immediately. That is what determines whether you will be big time or not.[/QUOTE]

Well said mate.

Different strokes, for different folks. You just like what appeals to you! I have never experienced Freddie live, but I know his voice is like a powerhouse from hearing recordings But I have experienced Adam live many times with both his own music and QAL's music and his voice is also very powerful. However, he is a tenor, so it has a different sound. Have you heard Adam sing live?

[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Have you heard Adam sing live?[/QUOTE]

"Oh shit. All that crap again?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtlH8U1FCtg

Yes, Freddie has a lot of meat, as you call it, in his voice. He is a baritone and that is why. However, I totally disagree about who is effortless. You can tell Freddie strains a lot when hitting high notes by looking at his face and neck, how he cuts off the ends of phrases because he can't hold them out, and the increased vibrato due to the strain. Adam is the one who sings without effort. The effortlessness is why you always say he sings without emotion. Don't change your tune here mid-stream. There are a lot of wonderful words to describe Freddie's voice, but effortless is not one of them.

You cut the crap, Juib. Can't help it, but unless you physically present in the venue, it is hard to tell exactly the power of Adam's voice. He is really hard to mike up and his voice does not always sound like the you tubes at all. There are a number of articles from sound people talking about the large degree of distortion and other things when it comes to working with his voice. It is apparently harder to do the sound for him than for many voices. He sounds way better live than on any recording I have ever heard and there is some reason for that. You can see many articles about this particular thing. Believe what you like, but that is the truth of the matter.

He may sound like Bruce due to what you call warbling, but the quality is pretty poor in contrast, so I just don't hear that. You cannot compare that dude's voice to Adams. They are like day and night. You guys forget that Adam is not a song writer, nor a musician and is never going to be. He is an amazing vocalist and that is all he needs to be. The fact he doesn't write songs does not change the fact of how brilliantly he sings. That is where he "writes" the music, with his voice, which is his instrument. Lots of people are song writers, but it is what you do with the song and how you sing it that is most important to me. Not everybody can be a Freddie Mercury, a triple threat who wrote, played and sang, but Adam can be an amazing singer and for some of us, that is all he needs to be. Not being a song writer doesn't detract a thing from his voice. It is just another excuse on here as to why he is so inferior, but to his fans it does not matter as it is all about that sublime voice.

[QUOTE] [b]Freddie Jupiter wrote:[/b]

I think runner is right that there is, for a lack of a better word, a 'thinness' about crapbert's voice. For me at least it's not so much about volume or power, but more above the quality of the voice itself.

For example, crapbert can sing loud and knock of the roof off the place as you say, but it sounds thin and strained to me. Whereas Freddus could sing something with a relaxed feel like I'm going slightly mad, and yet the vocal has a kind of impact and an almost intangible kind of power, and that power seems to come from the quality of the voice i feel.

It's just something you have to have, and I doubt that you can learn it. [/QUOTE]

Absolutely!

[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]

You guys forget that Adam is not a song writer, nor a musician and is never going to be. .[/QUOTE]

Wow is there someone getting sane ?? We had lots of "discussion" if Lamebird is a musician if he is just singing and I got attacked because I said that he is no musician. Well you seem to finally agree!

[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]

I have never experienced Freddie live, but I know his voice is like a powerhouse from hearing recordings [/QUOTE]

Hypocrite - How can you judge Freddie's voice without hearing him live, yet insist that Adam's voice cannot be judged in a recording?

It is a totally different vibe when Adam sings, for sure. That is what Brian and Roger were looking for, someone who didn't sound like Freddie. Singing in a cabaret style doesn't mean that it isn't natural. That is the way he sings at times. But both Freddie and Adam can change it up, since there are many genres and styles in the Queen catalog. It is the mark of a great singer to be able to pull off a great ballad and a kitschy song like KQ or a harder rocking song like SCC. Freddie is better on the gritty rock stuff while I like Adam on a soft ballad. Just different strokes for different folks! That is the beauty of Queen's catalog, there is something for everyone in there!!

Adam is the best, hands down!

Well, St Juib, I guess you are a little man, since you just seem determined to argue with me and call me names as usual No, I am not a hypocrite. I merely said that Adam's voice is tough to do the sound for and in his own music, it is often over processed and his voice is not front and center. When you listen to a live stream or you tube, they are from a camera, lord know where in the venue and it is really hard to get a real feel for his voice. There is no problem on the Freddie videos hearing him front and center and loud. So, I don't need to disagree. I am sure that he is even louder sounding in real life, which I never had the chance of seeing. I am not disputing what has been said on here. I am only disputing the fact that Adam sounds much different in a recording from the concert. Not a hypocrite at all, I feel that In order to hear the difference that I experience, you have to be at a concert. It is a diminished sound, perhaps due to the higher quality of his voice. There is no problem like that with Freddie's voice. I would have loved to hear him live, but we are discussing a weak voice which I don't hear at a concert. I think it is a recording issue. I have no issue with Freddie's louder voice, so I don't need to hear it live in a concert. Would have loved to, however!! Quit making it a problem where none exists.

[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
There is no problem like that with Freddie's voice.
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You proved Saint Jiub’s point right there. It’s hypocritical. How do you know Freddie’s voice doesn’t sound better live?

You blame machines for not recording Adam’s sound correctly? Really? Oh, please.

I think the feeling you get watching Lambert live is actually awe. The volume is very loud at a concert. And there’s many people making noise, too.

Queen’s official audio of QAL record what you don’t fully here... and that’s the band and Adam performing without less sound from other sources. You hear more on an official recording than you’d hear while standing in the crowd.

It is hypocritical when one disdainfully dismisses a differing opinion of an artist's voice, just because the person with the different opinion has never seen that artist live.

It is not hypocritical, if I agree that Freddie's voice sounds great and loud even in a youtube which is the case for Freddie. It is not the case for Adam. He sounds much better when I am seated in a venue where the sound techs, who are used to adjusting his mike, are doing the sound. Not sure why this thought isn't computing with you! Can't explain it any clearer.

All the normal bickering, and meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out what is "Show must go On"?

"Show must go On" time? Tonight? In place of the regularly scheduled program?

Thanks in advance.