Why did Peter Freestone change his stories and who he was loyal too?

Thereuhaveit wrote:

Don't forget Jean Garaffo and Jim Gilbert.

Sure. Maybe. Why not. :shrug:

At, one point people thought my name was ”Sindy” and ”Lisa” and ”Katie” and ”Donna” and ”Kim” and ”Kelly” and ”Kristie” etc...

Who ever I am I would never be stupid enough to use my real name. LOLOLOL.

CHEVYMAN wrote:

I was kinda wondering fans that attended these concerts in the early 80s would have to be in their 60s by now. I’m sure some of the these devoted fans back then would have great respect for Freddie And Queen. I’m 47 and Queen was even before my time. I wish it hadn’t been. I’m saying this with shame of my own included but I have a feeling it’s not the senior fans on here behaving this way. It’s fans my age and younger and they are paving the way for these kids in the 20s and 30s to young to remember Freddie.What are we doing???

You in particular seem to be misinforming them.

I was 12 when I went t my first Queen concert. My mother wouldn't let me go so I snuck out of the house and went with some older friends. The next year, my mother went with me to see Elton John because she knew I would venture out on my own anyway.

First time I smelled pot was at that Elton John concert.

CHEVYMAN wrote:
I honestly admit I get tired of hearing on Mary I get the deep friendship and her devotion to him.

I'm get tired of people lying about Mary. As long as people like yourselfmkeep lying about her there will be people to correct the record. Don't want to hear about Mary? Stop spreading disinformation about her.

CHEVYMAN wrote:
...but mistreatment of visiting friends isn’t acceptable. The bickering between the whole household was unacceptable Freddie seemed to be generous to everyone. He had love for all his friends as well as lovers.

Mary never mistreated Freddie’s employees. They were give three months to move and we're given reference packages and we're ALSO given a £20,000 advance on their inheritance.

So yeah, I agree the bickering was unacceptable. That those three middle aged men EVER thought Mary had ANY obligation to care for their needs was beyond unreasonable and childish.

Why ANYONE would think Mary had ANY obligation to adopt three grown ass men and keep them employed and paying their room and board is BEYOND ridiculous none-nonsensical.

CHEVYMAN wrote:I just feel Jim wasn’t the liar others make him out to be. None of us knew them.

People, don't have to have ”known them” to discern lies and inconsistencies.

Jim definitely lied about Mary kicking them out of the house prematurely or unfairly. Phoebe has since come forth about this.

Jim also lied about how he broke Freddie’s bones.

He also lied about being upstairs when Freddie woke up and spoke for the last time. Phoebe clarified that Dave Clark was alone with Freddie when he asked to urinate and Dave came downstairs to find Phoebe and found BOTH Jim and Phoebe downstairs.

There's lots of discoverable lies in Hutton’s book.

As Mike Moran said: “Jimmy used to get drunk and embarrass everybody and that’s why HE WAS NEVER PRESENT at a lot of the things he claimed to be. ~ Mike Moran

Pushka wrote:

Haha, that's right, Jean Garaffo, and there was a Mary Austin at some time too I believe. It definitely is the same person as I've just seen a photo they sent of themselves in another thread.

I think it's so sad that there is still this person going around on all forms of social media spreading hatred for a man who made Freddie happy in spite of their insistence that he was nothing more than a one night stand. I wonder if this person even is a Freddie fan with how much she focusses on Jim instead. It's just a shame that there are a group of followers who seem to hang onto her every sour word, and they are so nasty when conversing with fans of Freddie and Jim.

I don't spread hate about Hutton, I only spread truth.

There’s no evidence he made Freddie happy,

No one ever said he was a one night stand. Only that he wasn't very important to Freddie, there was obviously SOME level of a relationship there, but not what Hutton tried to make it out to be,

As far as nastiness goes, everyone in the fandom have been nasty, including yourself.

I’m not ”nice” to abusers, bullies, liars and hypocrites. Sue me.

Rather do that than be complicit.

CHEVYMAN wrote:

My opinion but I think Freddie was a spirited soul that had room for many lovers until he met Jim. He had room for special loves in his life for his friends. If he and Jim had an open arrangement it’s very possible yes a lot of men back then did I think. It’s better than cheating rules apply of course.

Freddie had room for many lovers until he accepted he had HIV. Meeting Jim was beside the point.

Quite obviously, Hutton didn't think they had an open relationship.

Still, Freddie cheated on Jim and Jim cheated on Freddie.

CHEVYMAN wrote:

Basically the guys he spent his time with will know those answers about these questions

The only people actually privy to Freddie and Jim’s relationship, Phoebe and Joe Fanelli are the ones who coined the phrase ”just the gardener” and for over half a decade never, believed Hutton was THE boyfriend the whole time Freddie was alive.

CHEVYMAN wrote:

and all they are gonna release is they never witnessed him with women during their time with him. Good for them.

:shrug: Yeah. Most people recognize Freddie was gay.

CHEVYMAN wrote:

So they will take the answers to this mystery man to their graves and so will Mary Austin I guess.

There’s no mystery really. Thor and Lee didn't witness much of Freddie and Jim. So, they can't have much to add.

The two people who DID witness them didn't think Hutton was particularly special to Freddie.

Thor and Lee never witnessed much time with Jim they said so themselves but they did spend time with Freddie out and about and they were close friends I stand behind that. Yes no mystery he was a gay man so don’t know why there is so much misunderstanding about the woman thing. Some men don’t like to have sex with women and it’s okay they don’t. It’s not leave it to beaver or Fathers knows best anymore. Or I love Lucy.Im also basically standing up for what I feel is right they like Mary Austin have been silent except for few words their book will not tell what dirty stories people think it will.Im leaving Jim out of this equation for now.Its obvious he and Mary feuded it had nothing to do with Thor or Lee or the New York Years.I believe to save face they will be no reference to interaction with women during those times and they may make it a point because I can see it being a little insulting to Gay men they realize they are gay and go through hell at home leave home to embrace their freedoms.No they don’t want nobody saying he is bisexual and sleeps with girls.So yes I think this may be included material I hope so. Freddie really struggled his parents made it hard for him too I read. But like most parents they came around.

I don’t think 12 year olds can sneak into those type of concerts if so that would’ve been lovely.I was 7 in 81 were they touring then and 10 in 84 . How do you sneak in that young???? I was born in 73 so and a lot of these other posters were too. They couldn’t attend either they were too young.I went to my first concert and it was kiss I think and I was 17 in 1991. I don’t know we 70s kids missed out for sure. All the good music was in the 60s and 70s.Janis Joplin , Jim Hendrix, I was born in the wrong era.

@Chevyman, whatever you write appear to be your personal assumptions or about yourself.
Why should anyone care ?
"I don’t think 12 year olds can sneak into those type of concerts if so that would’ve been lovely."

If you weren't just interested in FM's private life , but had a look at other Queen sites, you'd noticed stories from
very young Queen fans in the eighties.
Just keep shaking my head.

Ok lilmal, Isn’t it all just all just our opinions we really know nothing but what we read. I never said it was impossible to get into concerts at a young age I just didn’t in the the 80s because of my age. It’s all good if someone did.For one there has been so much disrespect to Freddie as a person here and his friends it’s a little hard not to look at his personal life. For one I understand how that end of things feel and it still I guess is speculation on the the poor man today. Music I love music I wish I had pursued my dreams if you look at Freddie’s early music it screams his personal life was in misery and Freddie was suffering. It’s hard to separate the two if you are and artist as well. Or have the capability to understand music and what drives the artist to write. Freddie’s pain with his sexuality and being who he wasn’t is what drove him to pour his heart out to his fans and to write those sad but beautiful melodies your talking about.Thanks for your opinion we all have one .

It really kills me that he loved his fans so that he was basically telling them through his music I’m not this man you see. I’m somebody else I can’t be. His fans just thought they were either written for Mary or like he said in interviews they are about relationships. No they weren’t they were about him. His Friends that everyone belittle so much gave him someone to talk too and I think I might be wrong finally say fuck it this is me I’m gonna live my life as who I was meant to be no matter how long I live he said it in interviews he said he didn’t believe he would make old bones. Meaning he knew his careless unprotected sex was gonna kill him. He knew it was nobodies fault but his own.So that’s not my opinion those words were in a interview.Another interview he says fuck it I’m gonna sleep with everybody and everything. It disturbs me for anyone to cast blame on someone else for a grown mans actions.Thats enough on that subject. Freddie loved his men friends those garden lodge tapes told it all and yes he did want them to have a good time if he had been well he would’ve been right beside them. He wasn’t a passenger on the damn train I think he was a driver. He liked to party he accepted his fate he knew what he did end of story.

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Oh my, goodness accidentally hit a letter My apologies guys.Lets have enjoyable convos not everybody agrees but let’s agree no attacks on people Freddie cared about .

CHEVYMAN wrote:

I don’t think 12 year olds can sneak into those type of concerts if so that would’ve been lovely.I was 7 in 81 were they touring then and 10 in 84 . How do you sneak in that young???? I was born in 73 so and a lot of these other posters were too. They couldn’t attend either they were too young.I went to my first concert and it was kiss I think and I was 17 in 1991. I don’t know we 70s kids missed out for sure. All the good music was in the 60s and 70s.Janis Joplin , Jim Hendrix, I was born in the wrong era.

I sneaked out of the house, I didn’t sneak into the concert. I went with some older friends, one of their mother’s drove us. But, it wasn’t hard for a 12 year old to go to concerts where I lived.

The first concert I attended was a kiss concert I loved it.Then it was Def Leppard in 1992 I love to watch their drummer. I was so in love with Joe Elliot.It must have been a real treat to see Queen in concert and watch Freddie hold that crowd in the palm of his hand. You guys were so lucky.