I illegally downloaded the concert songs, but I legally downloaded the 2 songs from 46664. Unfortunately, my computer thinks the website is out of order when I "Click2Pay". Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
If parasites are willing to buy Live at Wembley, The FM tribute, GVH 1 and GVH 2 after already previouly buying the material at least once before, surely the parasite will buy 46664 when it comes out? Surely the masters of recycling understand this all too well. However, I feel embarrassed, as I will probably buy the 46664 DVD despite Brian's lack of respect toward his loyal fans.
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For those who remember waiting for NEW Queen releases here in the States....AOR FM stations playing the whole album on a late Friday night before the album hit the stands a week or two later. Anyone listen to and record those broadcasts? Play them for friends? Then make a mad dash to the record store to purchase the vinyl when it was finally available?
I even bought Flash after this !!! ;-)
And then another vinyl. Then the EMI CD. Then the HR CD.
(We are in control of your thought processes. Do not change the channel.)
Still purchased GH 3 on vinyl and CD in spite of the Rah mix and Wyclef 'songs?' (and the others which I already owned) which I knew were on it before purchasing. Same with 'Rocks'.
So I totally agree with comments previously made in regards to 'recycled' goods.
I taped some of Live Aid when it was originally broadcast, so I could listen to the Queen and Zeppelin performances until a better sounding vinyl set became available.
oh, uh, that never happened, did it?
Damn....I didn't consider those actions parasitic then. Sorry I had to work when the 46664 concert originally aired on the web. Sorry that nMTV didn't show the whole concert. Sorry they shrunk it down to 70 minutes. I'm glad some people made it available for me to see in its entirety, so that I can watch it next week. I'll still buy the damn DVD of the 46664 concert when it comes out. But I'll feel more Stepford-ish than enthusiastic.
We've done our share of charity work. Our percentage of income that went to charities in 2001 (Breakthru 2001, Susan G Kamen, WTC, Big Brothers, Goodwill, and a few others), most likely was double that of certain celebrities.
I've worked in a hospital the last two years in a nonmedical capacity. I come into contact with HIV+ individuals on a daily basis. So I understand Brian's 'frustrations' with everything surrounding this disease.
Parasite???? I don' think so, Tim.
Same goes for those who made the concert available. One individual has only donated countless hours at the cons over here, at his expense, to help out the organizers and attendees. Hardly a leech.
Just off the cuff, here's an ideee-er: how about a package that contains Houston 77, a Jazz/Live Killers, Milton Keynes and Knebworth concerts, with the profits going to 46664 or Mercury Trust? I've seen Montreal and the Japan concerts, so I don't need to hear any comments regarding 'perfection' in order to be released.
These are MY opinions, though WE were offended by someone's remarks. I hope for a retraction in the coming days.
Joe, wife, and faithful dog Freddie+
I even bought Flash after this !!! ;-)
And then another vinyl. Then the EMI CD. Then the HR CD.
(We are in control of your thought processes. Do not change the channel.)
Still purchased GH 3 on vinyl and CD in spite of the Rah mix and Wyclef 'songs?' (and the others which I already owned) which I knew were on it before purchasing. Same with 'Rocks'.
So I totally agree with comments previously made in regards to 'recycled' goods.
I taped some of Live Aid when it was originally broadcast, so I could listen to the Queen and Zeppelin performances until a better sounding vinyl set became available.
oh, uh, that never happened, did it?
Damn....I didn't consider those actions parasitic then. Sorry I had to work when the 46664 concert originally aired on the web. Sorry that nMTV didn't show the whole concert. Sorry they shrunk it down to 70 minutes. I'm glad some people made it available for me to see in its entirety, so that I can watch it next week. I'll still buy the damn DVD of the 46664 concert when it comes out. But I'll feel more Stepford-ish than enthusiastic.
We've done our share of charity work. Our percentage of income that went to charities in 2001 (Breakthru 2001, Susan G Kamen, WTC, Big Brothers, Goodwill, and a few others), most likely was double that of certain celebrities.
I've worked in a hospital the last two years in a nonmedical capacity. I come into contact with HIV+ individuals on a daily basis. So I understand Brian's 'frustrations' with everything surrounding this disease.
Parasite???? I don' think so, Tim.
Same goes for those who made the concert available. One individual has only donated countless hours at the cons over here, at his expense, to help out the organizers and attendees. Hardly a leech.
Just off the cuff, here's an ideee-er: how about a package that contains Houston 77, a Jazz/Live Killers, Milton Keynes and Knebworth concerts, with the profits going to 46664 or Mercury Trust? I've seen Montreal and the Japan concerts, so I don't need to hear any comments regarding 'perfection' in order to be released.
These are MY opinions, though WE were offended by someone's remarks. I hope for a retraction in the coming days.
Joe, wife, and faithful dog Freddie+
if it was Brians' goal to get a discussion, then he succeeded
As for the money raising, I did support in many ways the aids foundations and will contnue that as much as is in my possibilities
As for downloading.. I listen now to the songs, and am so reminded again and again that the dvd will be around somewhere, some day
As for damming Brian, I think he could have said the things a bit more tactful
My part in the discussions is based on that I do not think that it is a big deal, the downloads now, because all who realy care shall for sure donate for aids and order the legal stuff as soon as it is available
And I have no intention to attack Brian more then telling him, hey.. careful with your fans!
As for the money raising, I did support in many ways the aids foundations and will contnue that as much as is in my possibilities
As for downloading.. I listen now to the songs, and am so reminded again and again that the dvd will be around somewhere, some day
As for damming Brian, I think he could have said the things a bit more tactful
My part in the discussions is based on that I do not think that it is a big deal, the downloads now, because all who realy care shall for sure donate for aids and order the legal stuff as soon as it is available
And I have no intention to attack Brian more then telling him, hey.. careful with your fans!
What Brian has done is fanatastic and I'll even praise Jim Beach for getting the thing off the ground. But I have paid for all the Queen songs and the Paul McCartney one but its shit quality. I have downloaded them from another source which was free and its far better. Brian slagging off his loyal fans is pathetic and I think its time his soapbox was closed, if its not the Daily Mail and smoking he slags off us!
I used to think that the soapbox was a good way for Brian to talk to is fans and wasn't Brian May.com a fan-page anyway created by Frank and Jen (correct me if I'm wrong) offering mp3's of Brian? Brian is basically talking out of his arse and is either too ignorant of bootlegs, which I doubt, or drunk.
At least Roger has kept his enigma. God I'm mad now calling us parasites he wants to look at the dodgy stuff we've paid for over the years Champions of the World, Rare Live. Why, why, why can't they release stuff that we want for example Houston, Earls Court? His attack on Michael Alldred was the worst thing Brian has said but this, and the aftermath of the concert was embarrasing to read and not something you would expect from our "hero".
However, I do still think that Brian is one of four of the best music-makers of the last 30 years and I still love him but this soapbox is too embarrasing, too close to the man.
I used to think that the soapbox was a good way for Brian to talk to is fans and wasn't Brian May.com a fan-page anyway created by Frank and Jen (correct me if I'm wrong) offering mp3's of Brian? Brian is basically talking out of his arse and is either too ignorant of bootlegs, which I doubt, or drunk.
At least Roger has kept his enigma. God I'm mad now calling us parasites he wants to look at the dodgy stuff we've paid for over the years Champions of the World, Rare Live. Why, why, why can't they release stuff that we want for example Houston, Earls Court? His attack on Michael Alldred was the worst thing Brian has said but this, and the aftermath of the concert was embarrasing to read and not something you would expect from our "hero".
However, I do still think that Brian is one of four of the best music-makers of the last 30 years and I still love him but this soapbox is too embarrasing, too close to the man.
Maybe Brian used the wrong words but that happens when you're angry.
Despite of this, I have to agree with Brian. Downloading stuff from the internet destroys everything: music industry, film industry and charity. It IS the truth. Things lose their value cos everyone can get them for free.
Although I hate that I must say that I sometimes download stuff, too. But I do it for one simple reason: lack of money.
Music is a big part of my life, Queen my favourite band of all since I was 9 years old. We all know that a good Queen collection could fill a whole room and costs A LOT of $$$!
I could probably fill a drawer with my "collection". I am a student with a weekend job. I almost have nothing left at the end of the month. If I didn't dowload stuff from the internet I'd know half of the Queen stuff that I know now. Does that mean that I'm their enemie? Or that I don't support them? Or that I am not a loyal fan? Just because I can't afford BUYING everything that my very favourite band brings out? I treat my small Queen collection like a piece of gold and as soon as I have some money left I go out and buy something that I've wanted to buy for ages but this happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year. Especially new and rare stuff is very expensive.
I really don't like downloading and if I had enough money I swear I wouldn't download one single song but for now and probably for the next 2 years I don't think I will be able to put as much money into music and charity as I'd like to do.
But I admire Brian as a musician and as a person and I think he is right.
PS: And I do support AIDS. I give away €10 a month for the German AIDS foundation. And I won't stop doing this just to have €10 more at the end of the month!
Despite of this, I have to agree with Brian. Downloading stuff from the internet destroys everything: music industry, film industry and charity. It IS the truth. Things lose their value cos everyone can get them for free.
Although I hate that I must say that I sometimes download stuff, too. But I do it for one simple reason: lack of money.
Music is a big part of my life, Queen my favourite band of all since I was 9 years old. We all know that a good Queen collection could fill a whole room and costs A LOT of $$$!
I could probably fill a drawer with my "collection". I am a student with a weekend job. I almost have nothing left at the end of the month. If I didn't dowload stuff from the internet I'd know half of the Queen stuff that I know now. Does that mean that I'm their enemie? Or that I don't support them? Or that I am not a loyal fan? Just because I can't afford BUYING everything that my very favourite band brings out? I treat my small Queen collection like a piece of gold and as soon as I have some money left I go out and buy something that I've wanted to buy for ages but this happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year. Especially new and rare stuff is very expensive.
I really don't like downloading and if I had enough money I swear I wouldn't download one single song but for now and probably for the next 2 years I don't think I will be able to put as much money into music and charity as I'd like to do.
But I admire Brian as a musician and as a person and I think he is right.
PS: And I do support AIDS. I give away €10 a month for the German AIDS foundation. And I won't stop doing this just to have €10 more at the end of the month!
fans download for mp3s and videos while waiting for the dvd, and when it's out everyone of us will buy it!
What about the Pavarotti show? Nobody is talking anymore about that release, for me it's very unlikely it will see the light of day... don't tell me you've not downloaded mp3s/videos from that show, and it was a charity show too...
What about the Pavarotti show? Nobody is talking anymore about that release, for me it's very unlikely it will see the light of day... don't tell me you've not downloaded mp3s/videos from that show, and it was a charity show too...
brianmay.com was started by the original and zoner too Great King Rat-Jayme ran it for him for years until his passing-- it was then decided to offer it to Brian (by this time Jayme had delegated her workings of it to Jen) and he accepted it...
at any rate i think a few will continue to read too much into his statement
at any rate i think a few will continue to read too much into his statement
I doubt very much there would have been any mention of this on brianmay.com had the exchanging/bootlegging of the concert been confined to a few loyal queen fans desperate for anything new or old the band do. Lets face it if one of Freddies farts became available a lot of us would try and get hold of it.
Just do a search on kazza or winmx for 46664 and every artist and every track is available in mp3 & mpg format. The full show off ZDF better quality that the web broadcast. This is the lowest of the low because all the people who would buy the DVD are now downloading the stuff. We lose out because we don't get the DVD and the charity loses much needed cash.
I downloaded and paid for all the tracks off 46664 with no problem they play fine. Remember for 79p they are not going to be of the highest possible quality otherwise where would the incentive be for the casual listener to buy the CD. Whether you think its blatent or not its a charity and its main goals are to raise funds and awareness.
Also remember all the hard work Brian & Roger have put into this project after the original project failed. They deserve all the praise they get!
Just do a search on kazza or winmx for 46664 and every artist and every track is available in mp3 & mpg format. The full show off ZDF better quality that the web broadcast. This is the lowest of the low because all the people who would buy the DVD are now downloading the stuff. We lose out because we don't get the DVD and the charity loses much needed cash.
I downloaded and paid for all the tracks off 46664 with no problem they play fine. Remember for 79p they are not going to be of the highest possible quality otherwise where would the incentive be for the casual listener to buy the CD. Whether you think its blatent or not its a charity and its main goals are to raise funds and awareness.
Also remember all the hard work Brian & Roger have put into this project after the original project failed. They deserve all the praise they get!
Original the site was brianmayniacs and there was place for sound files and so on as well
For a reason that I dont know the songs have disappeared, or better said, moved to another site, what sure should be mentioned in this, because Brian writes on that site that he visits it frequently
http://timelily2.com/
For a reason that I dont know the songs have disappeared, or better said, moved to another site, what sure should be mentioned in this, because Brian writes on that site that he visits it frequently
http://timelily2.com/
Sonja: WHAT value?!? The things we download can't be bought anyway, and would be better quality if ever officially released in the future...in which case we'd still buy them.
What Brian really needs to do is push the record company to get the 46664 DVD out BY CHRISTMAS. Bootleggers can do it within hours, so record companies need to start being able to compete with that. But the 46664 DVD is "planned" for release "in early 2004." I think people are going to lose interest by then. IMHO, the bad video files were keeping interest alive, which would have led to DVD sales (though I think trading the purchasable .mp3s is parasitic...unless better quality versions were indeed available elsewhere, after people had already paid). I have stopped trading the one short video file I had out of Brian's wishes, though I do disagree with him on it.
But who knows...maybe he WAS just talking about the .99 mp3s and not video clips anyway...hopefully he will clarify soon.
What Brian really needs to do is push the record company to get the 46664 DVD out BY CHRISTMAS. Bootleggers can do it within hours, so record companies need to start being able to compete with that. But the 46664 DVD is "planned" for release "in early 2004." I think people are going to lose interest by then. IMHO, the bad video files were keeping interest alive, which would have led to DVD sales (though I think trading the purchasable .mp3s is parasitic...unless better quality versions were indeed available elsewhere, after people had already paid). I have stopped trading the one short video file I had out of Brian's wishes, though I do disagree with him on it.
But who knows...maybe he WAS just talking about the .99 mp3s and not video clips anyway...hopefully he will clarify soon.
I agree with the comments here 100%. I was SHOCKED to read the soapbox and did feel it was an attack on fans - but let's hope this is not intended by the "clever clogs" himself. I admire BM very much, but one has to be careful not alienate the very fan base that goes to read the soapbox (coz people only abit interested in Queen would not bother with the soap box). I could not see the concert live here in Australia - as MTV only picked it up here and it got NO publicity at all, and I cannot get MTV where I live. Also to watch on the net was impossible on 56k too. So I relied on a friend to send me a VHS copy of it to see it - and can I say the editing was nothing short of disgusting of the whole concert and I am so sad that not many big artists supported it as they should have either (I think alot of stars are just getting selfish - but am proud that Queen are not like that) - so I confess I DID download the video content off Riens site (thankyou) - or else I would never have got to see them - but I have not shared them, nor shall I share the tracks I downloaded off the 46664 official site, but I felt as a long time fan who buys everything that Queen puts out - I should be able to see my favourite band gigs - when I want too - and how stupid to say it would affect the DVD sales? I agree with the previous post - the thing that will affect the DVD sales is that they take so long to bring it out - what ever happened to "strike while the iron is hot"? Anyway, I think the sales will be poor coz the concert had no publicity, so not many even knew it exsisted - THEY are the ones BM should be angry at, not those of us that marked the date on our calendars and could not wait for it to air !! But get into the TV stations that sucked the life out of a good concert !!
"A growly teddybear !!"
"A growly teddybear !!"
I must admit it.
I've downloaded most of the streaming content on the 46664 site, including almost the whole concert webcasting (just parts of the QUEEN medley are missing). Why? Because here in Argentina not everybody can pay a good internet connection (half of my friends don't have a decent PC anyway) neither can everybody pay cable or satellite TV (unfortunately, the concert wasn't broadcasted locally - and was barely mentioned in local media). So I can invite my friends to watch the ENTIRE concert (as I would surely have done if I hadn't been ill for the last four weeks), not only because of the great music, but because of the strong message it gives. And I will tape the MTV broadcasting if they repeat it for the same reason (and because five hours is too much sometimes).
Yes, I admit it, but that doesn't mean I call myself a parasite (although I may have parasites since last month). I'm just a true QUEEN fan and an average collector and I behave like that: I'm very excited for all this and I want it all. Of course I will buy the forthcoming DVD and the CDs. (E.g: Brian has said they'll be changing some of the concert images to show 46664 on both drumkits, so it's natural I'd like to have it in its original form.) And I'll STILL buy and download the next windows media content (both audio from studio and video from the concert, if it becomes available) on the 46664 site as I've done with the tracks so far published in it.
What I wouldn't (and won't) do is copying and spreading this content, neither the CDs, DVDs or any other official releases. That would be illegal, I suposse. Furthermore, that would be BAD. I understand this. And I hope everyone does so.
SO, dear Brian, if this is what you were talking about, I agree with you.
But if you were taking it to a more general point of view, then I guess you're overreacting. First of all, it would be naive to think that portions of a webcasted event won't leak to... the internet!!! Anyway, I don't think that those low fidelity files can compete with the DVD or even the CD. Come on, give yourself more credit. I'm sure that the worldwide sales of such a massive release will be HUGE, if all goes well in the promotion arena. And I'm sure that most of those downloads will help to the cause. Have Invincible Hope.
Well, I have to go. There's a friend coming. And I have to show him parts of the concert to convince him to preorder its forthcoming DVD as soon as possible (and also to buy a DVD player ;-).
Best wishes,
I've downloaded most of the streaming content on the 46664 site, including almost the whole concert webcasting (just parts of the QUEEN medley are missing). Why? Because here in Argentina not everybody can pay a good internet connection (half of my friends don't have a decent PC anyway) neither can everybody pay cable or satellite TV (unfortunately, the concert wasn't broadcasted locally - and was barely mentioned in local media). So I can invite my friends to watch the ENTIRE concert (as I would surely have done if I hadn't been ill for the last four weeks), not only because of the great music, but because of the strong message it gives. And I will tape the MTV broadcasting if they repeat it for the same reason (and because five hours is too much sometimes).
Yes, I admit it, but that doesn't mean I call myself a parasite (although I may have parasites since last month). I'm just a true QUEEN fan and an average collector and I behave like that: I'm very excited for all this and I want it all. Of course I will buy the forthcoming DVD and the CDs. (E.g: Brian has said they'll be changing some of the concert images to show 46664 on both drumkits, so it's natural I'd like to have it in its original form.) And I'll STILL buy and download the next windows media content (both audio from studio and video from the concert, if it becomes available) on the 46664 site as I've done with the tracks so far published in it.
What I wouldn't (and won't) do is copying and spreading this content, neither the CDs, DVDs or any other official releases. That would be illegal, I suposse. Furthermore, that would be BAD. I understand this. And I hope everyone does so.
SO, dear Brian, if this is what you were talking about, I agree with you.
But if you were taking it to a more general point of view, then I guess you're overreacting. First of all, it would be naive to think that portions of a webcasted event won't leak to... the internet!!! Anyway, I don't think that those low fidelity files can compete with the DVD or even the CD. Come on, give yourself more credit. I'm sure that the worldwide sales of such a massive release will be HUGE, if all goes well in the promotion arena. And I'm sure that most of those downloads will help to the cause. Have Invincible Hope.
Well, I have to go. There's a friend coming. And I have to show him parts of the concert to convince him to preorder its forthcoming DVD as soon as possible (and also to buy a DVD player ;-).
Best wishes,
P.S: I was involved in HIV awareness campaigns and in fund-rising events for AIDS sufferers in the past and I expect to do it again soon. So I don't like it when a nice human being, one I respect and admire and LOVE, calls me a parasite under this circumstances. I don't need that. But if I happen to have intestinal parasites (test results will be due on December 15th), then I'll have to concede that you were partially right and I will donate further euros in their behalf.
I don't think there is anything wrong with posting the video files on a website as most TV stations only showed edited 'hightlights'.
On VH-1 all we didn't get to see 'Say it ain't true', show must go on, toss the feathers, i want it all, break free, or radio ga ga.
Just because they have been downloaded does not discourage anybody from buying the official DVD/CD, in fact many people would be keen to purchase the official DVD as it would have superiour audio/picture quality + it would contain a load of extras.
On VH-1 all we didn't get to see 'Say it ain't true', show must go on, toss the feathers, i want it all, break free, or radio ga ga.
Just because they have been downloaded does not discourage anybody from buying the official DVD/CD, in fact many people would be keen to purchase the official DVD as it would have superiour audio/picture quality + it would contain a load of extras.