"low quality"?
I've compressed the wav-files into 320Kbps mp3-files.
As I said before, it was just to get someone's opinion about these cd's. And I stated that it were 'just' mp3-files. I've left two files on my site. A "new" one, Dead On Time. I always try to offer something new or odd, so the files will be deleted soon. "end-of-project".
Adam Baboolal · Member since
I'm very surprised of your comments, DF. Of all people, I would've expected you to understand the most.
1. These aren't available to all fans. They're from Japan and not many will have the luxury to both find and pay for them.
2. Some fans need to hear these before making a decision on perhaps buying them. I have been searching for clips from these remasters since they were released. Rien is the first to give me an insight. Something I must thankyou for Rien!
3. Pim, even though they're MP3's, that doesn't mean I can't tell the difference between these and my 1993/4 remasters that are currently encoded in 256kbps. Why assume that no-one hear will hear the differences? There's enough information to hear what we need to base a decision on perhaps purchasing them.
"I was a little surprised at the differences in responses between this and when I started my project"
You offered karaoke tracks that you re-edited together with other readily available tracks. Rien let us hear these sought after discs. Sorry, but like others have said, the karaoke tracks are more easy to find. These remasters really aren't.
"The only way you could really tell a difference in quality would be to listen to a 320 MP3 of a different master back to back with these"
It's not right to assume. MP3's at full 320 bitrate are very acceptable. IMO even 192 is still acceptable. Of course there's a loss, but does that mean that it's so bad that we can't make our own minds up?
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Rien, take no notice. I'm very interested to hear what's been done to the sound of the first 2 albums especially. And if you get the remasters from Works to MIH. Please, please offer a track from each. Like I said above, for 2 and a half years I have never even found one clip of these on the internet. You changed that sad fact...
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Peace,
Adam.
Rien · Member since
Well thanks Adam. At least you got my point (and you are not the only one I must say). Thanks for your input. I wanted someone to judge these discs (if possible, with the one track per album I offered). And I wanted to encourage people to perhaps buy these cd's. I cannot show you how they look, right now, but the artwork alone is a reason to buy them. I fully agree with Brian May's statement about this collection, on his site. When the next series arrive (early next week) I'll do the same. One track per cd. I'll just call that a NEW project... :-))
Penis - Vagina · Member since
I'm very surprised of your comments, DF. Of all people, I would've expected you to understand the most.
>1. These aren't available to all fans. They're from Japan and not many will have the luxury to both find and pay for them.
WRONG. Just like the karaoke disc, (also from Japan) they're available to anyone who wants to buy them online. In fact moreso now.. the karaokes aren't even listed at HMV anymore.
>2. Some fans need to hear these before making a decision on perhaps buying them.
That's a ridiculous argument. You cannot hear the full benefit of something being remastered when it's reduced to even the highest quality MP3. Perhaps your ear is a little jaded from getting a bunch of stuff free online rather than buying them. You stated that the hub is where you got the karaokes, for example. You should buy some real CDs sometime and hear the difference.
>I have been searching for clips from these remasters since they were released.
Perhaps you could have bought them for yourself by now. You certainly recommend the 2001 remasters rather highly whenever a newbie asks 'what should I get?' Without having checked them out yourself? Is the praise of people who own them enough to make you recommend them, yet in three years hasn't been enough to get you to buy them yourself?
>You offered karaoke tracks that you re-edited together with other readily available tracks. Rien let us hear these sought after discs. Sorry, but like others have said, the karaoke tracks are >more easy to find. These remasters really aren't.
Again, purely your own fantasy. You jumped on me, as you always do, because you enjoy dismissing anything I try to do around here. From now on when I share something, it's not for you, try to remember that and ignore it. I don't need your opinion because you're clearly of a mindset to shit on anything I do, so stay the fuck out of my way, thank you.
Rien · Member since
To make one thing clear (if needed): I don't always follow who's with who or who's against who at Queenzone. And I don't like to sit in between Adam and DF. (well, not if an argument is the subject) :-)
So... I know I like the Japanese versions and to me that's it.
Happy arguing. (can be healthy at times) :)
Penis - Vagina · Member since
Hi Rien, got your email btw :)
I'm sorry if this sounded like I was discouraging you... that wasn't my intention. Only an idiot would discourage someone from sharing whatever they wanted to.. you never know what they might share in the future that you would be interested in.
If I'm not interested in something, I simply don't download it/don't reply. What point is there to replying to someone to say you're not interested? :)
But that's what happened at first in my instrumental sharing thread so in the case of yours, in which arguments could be made as to the worth (again this isn't my opinion). I thought it an interesting contrast.
Perhaps I should have just kept quiet. I'm sorry for injecting this into your thread.
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira · Member since
"I don't like to sit in between Adam and DF. (well, not if an argument is the subject) :-)"
LOL Rien! And, BTW, thanks for the files, as always! &:^)
Cheers,
Ogre-
Adam Baboolal · Member since
DF why do you always think I'm against you? Do you not remember me praising your threads because they're some of the most interesting on this board?
I really don't know where you get this thing about me not liking you. If you don't like any criticisms that I make, then maybe it's you who doesn't like me...
Peace,
Adam.
Adam Baboolal · Member since
"they're available to anyone who wants to buy them online."
Hands up who has a credit card here? Not me. Guess what, I can't buy them. I'd have to ask someone else to help.
"You certainly recommend the 2001 remasters rather highly whenever a newbie asks 'what should I get?'"
That's because these are considered the best versions of the current Queen albums. And now that I've heard them, I agree. Would you buy a cd remaster from 1993 or the newly remastered version from 2001? Especially since there haven't been any reports of mastering mistakes.
"Is the praise of people who own them enough to make you recommend them, yet in three years hasn't been enough to get you to buy them yourself?"
What can I say, I trust people like Lisa G when she posted about them. And now Rien has offered these to us all.
"You cannot hear the full benefit of something being remastered when it's reduced to even the highest quality MP3."
This sounds like you don't hear the difference, so why should anyone else? Well, not everyone hears things the same. I'm trained to hear things and can trust my ears. I definitely hear, without a doubt, a huge difference.
Like I mentioned in my critique about Dragon Attack, it's too toppy in places. But something like Who Needs You is very nicely done.
"Perhaps your ear is a little jaded from getting a bunch of stuff free online rather than buying them. You stated that the hub is where you got the karaokes, for example. You should buy some real CDs sometime and hear the difference."
Now that's a dig! So I picked up some karaoke MP3 files for nothing. Ooooh... It's not like I downloaded my Queen albums. Of course MP3's don't sound as good as the cd. But there's enough there to hear, otherwise why would anyone still be using them 7 years later?
Oh, and I use MP3's because then I don't have to dig out a cd everytime I want to listen. That doesn't stop me though!
DF, I don't know what I've down to incur your wrath! But dude, I've said it before, I like your posts. Don't turn me away because I offered some criticism on what you and Pim were saying.
PEACE,
Adam.
Rien · Member since
Just today a dutch Queen fan informed me about the possibility to order these 2004-cd's through www.bol.com
You can choose different sites (UK, Netherlands, Germany, Japan etc). On the UK-site I did not find a page for CD's, but on the Dutch site you can choose MUZIEK. There indeed are the Toshiba 2004 releases. It's stated there that the delivery will take 4-6 weeks. (euro 28 per cd). As you know I've ordered them from CDJAPAN and got them delivered after 4 days.
inu-liger · Member since
My comments:
>1. These aren't available to all fans. They're from Japan and not many will have the luxury to both find and pay for them.
"WRONG. Just like the karaoke disc, (also from Japan) they're available to anyone who wants to buy them online. In fact moreso now.. the karaokes aren't even listed at HMV anymore."
HA! I don't have a credit card, and so if *I* were to want to order them, which I can't atm., having no jobs to pay for such CDs, I'd have to send cash registered. SURE it sounds easy, right? WRONG.
First I have to purchase either US or JPN cash, and I have to pay a fee if I want JPN cash. And then I have to pay $11 CDN just to register the envelope with the cash, and I have to wait longer.
I'll tell you something, I ordered these three CD's and DVD below and it cost me $70 CDN approx. in total!!! (this happened last summer)
>2. Some fans need to hear these before making a decision on perhaps buying them.
"That's a ridiculous argument. You cannot hear the full benefit of something being remastered when it's reduced to even the highest quality MP3. Perhaps your ear is a little jaded from getting a bunch of stuff free online rather than buying them. You stated that the hub is where you got the karaokes, for example. You should buy some real CDs sometime and hear the difference. "
DF, technology to make MP3's has improved these last few years. When I open 320kbps MP3's on goldwave and use a karaoke effect on them, it is exactly the same as a CD file - no wet or muddy sounds at all!! These sound also exactly like CD files. It depends on which ENCODER you are using!
>I have been searching for clips from these remasters since they were released.
"Perhaps you could have bought them for yourself by now. You certainly recommend the 2001 remasters rather highly whenever a newbie asks 'what should I get?' Without having checked them out yourself? Is the praise of people who own them enough to make you recommend them, yet in three years hasn't been enough to get you to buy them yourself?"
Hey, DF, you don't have to own ALL the tracks to recommend something. I've listened to one of Rien's MP3s and I would already be ready to recommend these remasters myself, despite the fact that I don't even have money for a long time to buy these import discs. I am amazed at the quality of these remasters myself.
inu-liger · Member since
Btw. I looked on CDJapan, and they have a cardboard remaster CD of Made In Heaven that has the same LP cover (the sunset cover), just for anyone who may be interested
My point was NOT that there is no reason to share these.. if someone wants to download them for whatever reason (I downloaded just one to see what the waveform looked like) then great. I feel very strongly that if someone buys something they can share it however they want.
I was simply stating arguments which could be made, the same as with what I shared and even moreso in this case (my opinion) compared with my 'project'. It just struck me as funny. But as I said, perhaps I should have kept quiet.
BTW, I don't have a credit card either. I use my handy debit card, which works the same way online.
inu-liger · Member since
"I think they're not copy protected. e.g. the Japanese JEWELS cd is copy-protected. On that cd a player is installed so it can be played on a pc too."
I dislike those players. The quality of those files on that player are horrible quality.
Btw. I have the Australian CD of the Vanguard "Flash" single, and I am having a problem. My computer has a CD-R burner that was made before the copy protection aglorithms (csp?) were implemented, and so it can read CDs that may be copyprotected (I only have three CDs so far, this one and two from Japan, that are copy-protected). I have no problems ripping the audio from the Asuca Hayashi CD's from Japan, but when I try to rip the Flash CD, even at a synched slow speed, there is clipping at the same spots each time. Does anyone know how I can get across this problem?
Adam Baboolal · Member since
Hey DF, what debit card have you got? Maybe I can try that too.
