I don't understand why this has turned into such a huge discussion, and I'm certainly shocked at the ignorance of these posts. I use Safari because I like tabbed browsing, the Google search bar, and the overall layout of the design - plus, it's faster.
And talk about ignorant! There are those who like to use computers, and those who like to look at them. For your information, Macs are graphic designer's dreams - the programs for Photoshop, Illustrator, and whatever else used to, you know, design artwork and books and the like are astonishingly quick and amazing on Macs.
I never came in here and started busting on PCs, though I personally don't like them. I didn't expect to be hassled for whatever program or computer I use, and I'm really not amused by all this. Whatever your intentions were with your "response" totally backfired, unless you did intend to annoy me - in which case, mission accomplished. I'd suggest you take the time to see that not everyone in the world uses a PC, and not everyone uses Internet Explorer - but once you see that, ACCEPT IT.
There is one simple solution, of course.
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And, with that, I discover that Richard has fixed it.
Much thanks, Richard.
Much thanks, Richard.
Lester, my controversial sentence about Macs came only after Polar Bear came with his "opinion". I know Macs are excellent for graphics applications but besides this usage I have seen a Mac only at my dentist and she didn't seem happy using it at all. Maybe Mac is a good computer but for me it's absolutely useless as I don't work with graphics and I suppose the choice of software for Mac is 20x smaller than for PC's - forgive my ignorance but if you download software from Internet and it's for PC/Windows, you won't be able to run it on Mac, right?
It's like a difference between Linux and Windows - Unix systems may be perfect stable servers but for home use are useless.
It's like a difference between Linux and Windows - Unix systems may be perfect stable servers but for home use are useless.
"tabbed browsing" - Mozilla or MyInternet Explorer have it. "Google search bar"? You can have it in both IE and Mozilla too. "Overall layout of the design"? I prefer IE. "Faster"? Maybe. Compared to other browsers on Mac probably yes.
I happen to agree with Polar Bear's opinion, at least the first part (I don't care what type of computer anyone uses). I have tried Opera, Mozilla, and Firebird, and find them interesting, but I've always come back to Safari because it's just the quickest browser for me.
I don't understand why you hate Macs so much - I do understand that you being a programmer are obviously drawn to using a PC - but I'm not trying to change your opinion. The fact is, that while some people may be using PCs to program things, a lot of people are using Macs to view the things you've programmed. You have to realize that, while the world may be significantly PC (and don't give me any statistics, 73% of statistics are made up anyway), there are still people who use Macs because that's what they like. I love my Mac and couldn't imagine working on a PC, even if it means having to compromise a few things - a game here, an application there, maybe even a messageboard.
And for the record, I can play Windows Media Files.
I don't understand why you hate Macs so much - I do understand that you being a programmer are obviously drawn to using a PC - but I'm not trying to change your opinion. The fact is, that while some people may be using PCs to program things, a lot of people are using Macs to view the things you've programmed. You have to realize that, while the world may be significantly PC (and don't give me any statistics, 73% of statistics are made up anyway), there are still people who use Macs because that's what they like. I love my Mac and couldn't imagine working on a PC, even if it means having to compromise a few things - a game here, an application there, maybe even a messageboard.
And for the record, I can play Windows Media Files.
Mr. Scully, I've said it before and I'll say it again - I use Safari. Stop pointing out the features of other browsers, because I won't change. I'm used to Safari by now, and - like I said - if I have to compromise one messageboard, then so be it.
Lester, I only replied to your "advantages" of Safari that many other browsers have too. I'm not persuading you to use anything else. I thought Safari has some special feature that is not available in other browsers.
I have absolutely nothing against Macs. It's just that I see no reason at all why I should use it, especially when I'd have to say goodbye to all the software that I normally use. It's like the said Linux. I've had RedHat and SuSe for some time but now I'm "clear" and I don't want to see Linux for the next five years. Another comparison - maybe some Chinese mobile phones are much better than all other brands but I simply don't care. If they take over Nokia's 50% share of the market, maybe I will say "they could be good" and will buy one.
I have absolutely nothing against Macs. It's just that I see no reason at all why I should use it, especially when I'd have to say goodbye to all the software that I normally use. It's like the said Linux. I've had RedHat and SuSe for some time but now I'm "clear" and I don't want to see Linux for the next five years. Another comparison - maybe some Chinese mobile phones are much better than all other brands but I simply don't care. If they take over Nokia's 50% share of the market, maybe I will say "they could be good" and will buy one.
I honestly don't see why you had to chime in with anything regarding my choice of browser or computer. I simply stated the problem, being that I couldn't view the site properly, and I'm bombarded with "oh, Safari? oh, you use a Mac?"
I GET YOUR POINT. You won't use a Mac - fine by me!! Nowhere in any of my posts did I ever say to you, "You should use a Mac. PCs suck. Get a Mac." In fact, I didn't even ASK you what you thought, or hypothetically asked why you wouldn't use a Mac. I certainly don't care if you use a Mac, a PC, or whatever - you've stated your opinion, several times, in fact; you've virtually beat it into me. I don't care what you use or what you will not use and for what reason you will not use it. I was merely stating a problem to Richard. I'm over it now. Please stop replying about the "advantages" of a PC to a Mac.
I GET YOUR POINT. You won't use a Mac - fine by me!! Nowhere in any of my posts did I ever say to you, "You should use a Mac. PCs suck. Get a Mac." In fact, I didn't even ASK you what you thought, or hypothetically asked why you wouldn't use a Mac. I certainly don't care if you use a Mac, a PC, or whatever - you've stated your opinion, several times, in fact; you've virtually beat it into me. I don't care what you use or what you will not use and for what reason you will not use it. I was merely stating a problem to Richard. I'm over it now. Please stop replying about the "advantages" of a PC to a Mac.
Well, my initial point was different. You complained that the site can't be viewed in Safari - next time somebody will complain that the site can't be viewed properly in SomebodysCustomBrowser version 1.4b.
I didn't say a word against Macs until Polar Bear expressed his opinion that anybody who uses a PC probably lives in middle ages.
I didn't say a word against Macs until Polar Bear expressed his opinion that anybody who uses a PC probably lives in middle ages.
Why didn't you give pma any guff about him not being able to view the page in Opera? I still didn't need you to tell me that you didn't agree with my preference of browser.
Opera is a similar case but at least it's a well known browser. Maybe I need to widen my knowledge but although being a programmer, I haven't heard of Safari at all until a couple of months ago. Again - I have nothing against Safari, nothing against Macs, you can certainly use anything you want and I'm sure you're more than happy with what you use. But you just can't expect web sites to work correctly in all browsers the mankind has ever invented. Especially when there probably isn't any Safari for Windows so it's not possible to test web sites in it.
IMO a Mac isn't 'better' anymore in the graphics world than a PC these days. From august 2003-januari 2004 I worked with a Mac. In the past it was a lot better, but pc's these days are equally as good as macs IMO. The only reason why I have a pc is because it's easier to get illegal software for it. I'd have no idea where I could get a illegal copy of Illustrator 10, Macromedia Director or Dreamweaver for the Mac :-)
Have to say for 'normal' people a PC is probably preferabble. The MAC interface is quite different and a bit harder to understand IMO.
Have to say for 'normal' people a PC is probably preferabble. The MAC interface is quite different and a bit harder to understand IMO.
Thank you for your input, Pim - at least you see where I'm coming from.
Mr. Scully, I was merely stating a fact that I couldn't view it, I wasn't expecting sympathy or Richard to say, "Oh, well, Lester can't view it, so I'll just give up." I was merely stating a fact. Maybe there's another Safari user out there who was unable to view it. We'll never know. Point is, you're blowing this entire thing out of proportion here - you've stated your piece, and you've made it perfectly clear your opinion of Macs and (apparently) Mac users. What's done is done. What anybody failed to realize is that I mentioned that the problem has been fixed. So, thank you, Richard, for accomodating 0.0002% of the Safari users out there.
Mr. Scully, I was merely stating a fact that I couldn't view it, I wasn't expecting sympathy or Richard to say, "Oh, well, Lester can't view it, so I'll just give up." I was merely stating a fact. Maybe there's another Safari user out there who was unable to view it. We'll never know. Point is, you're blowing this entire thing out of proportion here - you've stated your piece, and you've made it perfectly clear your opinion of Macs and (apparently) Mac users. What's done is done. What anybody failed to realize is that I mentioned that the problem has been fixed. So, thank you, Richard, for accomodating 0.0002% of the Safari users out there.
Hi,
Just to confirm. It is now working OK for Safari and Opera?
My policy is, that the site should "work" with all browsers (above a particular version number). However, it might look nicer in some browsers than others.
The site looks a lot better with IE. Having said that, i should really be developing off Mozilla as it is stricter with code, standards, etc.
Just to confirm. It is now working OK for Safari and Opera?
My policy is, that the site should "work" with all browsers (above a particular version number). However, it might look nicer in some browsers than others.
The site looks a lot better with IE. Having said that, i should really be developing off Mozilla as it is stricter with code, standards, etc.
Is it impossible to simply just reset and alter THIS forum? Or at least something more similar to it, as with the different shades of colour and easy layout?