The news, and the new tracks at the convention this year

I agree! BRING ON THE COOL NEW STUFF! :D

What I found funny was Greg's "buy the first person a pint " challenge to the audience to name the track that became coming soon, it took approx 1 second for someone to name it ...............btw the fight from the inside demo had some cursing and 2 extra lines i counted, the source of the alt take of one year of love at the end was hilarious!!!!and yeah the weather was freezing!, the ballroom was absolutely boiling though..........there was a polite notice on the notice board saying further recording of Greg's demo's may lead to an outright ban (for those sober enough to read it)heheh... I look foward to Simon Lupton's plans to release some "Live Killers" type dvd after milton keynes , and even more live stuff on dvd to follow, but, please release the infamous "Gerry stickells "Roadworks" book and "Queen -Live at The BBC" first.........

Can anyone give a full list of the demos played and any other future DVD titbits?

The "demos are demos for a reason" argument isn't always a good one. What about time constraints when wanting to pursue their idea? What about the songs that were recorded, but didn't fit in with the album? It's just not that simple. Sometimes demos can eclipse the finished idea.

Hank said "For me the most likely explanation for not including any existing Freddie vocals in MIH is that they are shit."

Well, DarrenR already mentioned that Greg Brooks began archiving Queen's vaults AFTER Made In Heaven had been put out. Therefore it's probably a very good bet that they didn't know what they'd find during their initial rummage about!

And they probably looked for Let Me Live specifically. Wasn't IABD a nice surprise for them to find? So, they're probably spoiled for choice now. Who knows how much...

Peace,
Adam.

I agree with Adam on the 'demos are demos for a reason' subject.

a Demo is an unfinished product, So every song used to be a demo once, but they get changed a bit, lyrics get changed and so on. And thats what happened with the MiH songs, I don't think you're going to tell me you think the MiH songs sound unfinished (well, maybe Beautiful Day).
If they will take freddie's vocals, change the music and so on. It will sound new, and no one will know it's a discarded song.

But I agree if you say _some_ songs remain demos for a reason

Ok, I'll admit that Adam has a point. But I think the mistake is to assume that they'll find something good among the demos. Of all the demos that have snuck out so far, none have appealed to me or made me wish that the band finish them off. Maybe they will find a gem among what's been discovered lately, maybe not.

"It will sound new, and no one will know it's a discarded song."

To me, much of MIH sounds odd, though maybe not discarded. The fact that Bri and Rog sing on Let Me Live, or that Brian finished Mother Love plainly state that those songs were not completed by Freddie. It's a psychological effect, I guess, but it does bother me to an extent. With that album, we could at least convince ourselves that Freddie tried to finish the album before he died (though that may not be accurate), but a new album now would appear far fetched.

And for the record, I would love to be wrong about this.

"Of all the demos that have snuck out so far, none have appealed to me or made me wish that the band finish them off"

How many songs have snuck out, I mean totally 'new' songs, no old versions of other songs. about 10?
this is just a small part of everything that is in the archives

I'm also dying for a full list of the 'preheard' material...

...and also for the recordings (yes, Greg's sexy voice too!)

Unless there are some complete (Freddie) vocal takes for truly good unheard of songs in the archive, I fear that this possible new release would be even below the standard of Made In Heaven.

All the 'new' songs on that were quite obviously patched together, (the worst offender for me being Let Me Live, where the quantity of Freddie's vocal material seems to extend to about 3 lines) and all had some element of incompleteness to them; as Zeni said, there's something 'odd' going on there.

I also agree that none of the demos that have leaked are worthy of being finished, or indeed have enough substance or workable material in them to be released.

But Made In Heaven was an absolute labour of love for (mostly) Brian, as it was to be THE tribute and swansong for Freddie. Brian gave pretty much everything to that project for, what, 3 or 4 years? And the results were good and they showed how much it mean to Bri to get that sounding right.

But I just can't see the same amount of effort and love being put into a similar project second time around. And if the decent material isn't really there to work with in the first place, which I suspect it isn't, then the finished project cannot be high-grade.

Lets not judge before we can hear it, right?

We don't know whats in the archives, maybe there are a few gems who were just left off because of a lack of space on the album

"I also agree that none of the demos that have leaked are worthy of being finished, or indeed have enough substance or workable material in them to be released."

Uhmmm, and what about demo's like "Silver Salmon" or (not sure if it's a real demo or allready a finished song) "Feelings" And this is just stuff that we know of that it's out there somewhere.

"But Made In Heaven was an absolute labour of love for (mostly) Brian, as it was to be THE tribute and swansong for Freddie. Brian gave pretty much everything to that project for, what, 3 or 4 years? And the results were good and they showed how much it mean to Bri to get that sounding right"

Wasn't it that John and Roger were working on the "Made In Heaven" stuff and that later on got pushed more into it?????

The reason I mentioned the whole demo thing is because even little old me has been able to find a number of tracks that I really like and could make into full ideas. Even without adding lyrics. And there have also been piano and vocal tracks that I could take and make into full songs. Even with the irregular timing. It's not that hard to do.

I don't understand why people don't get that. I've got near to 3 years worth of stuff that I have recorded and can find plenty good stuff amongst the crap. Queen? Hell. Who knows how much they managed to get down! And I'm sure it's up to their usual high standards. I think people are dismissing it without really thinking about it.

Peace,
Adam.

I hope you are right Adam and FC (if this project will ever happen), but I have one more thing to be worried about, and that is the absence of John Deacon, who to my mind is the only band member who still stands for quality, although (or because!) he never appeared anywhere in the last seven years. If he doesn't get involved, he will have good reasons which are weightier and worthier than Brian's or Roger's who I really don't trust anymore.

What did they show on QTV?

Anything decent or just the usual stuff?

I think Brian and Roger have also got to record some brand new songs to stand alongside any old 'Freddie' demos they may include.
And get John involved, he's been out of the picture for far too long...


Yeah i remember reading an interview with Brian where he says that Roger and John started work on Made In Heaven while he was in the middle of his Back To The Light tour. They said they were gonna start work "with or without him". Brian was supposedly furious with this and described the intial work on the album by Roger and John as "catastrophic"...