SergeantPepperDG
That's one reason alone to vote for Kerry/Edwards. I'm sure Bush looked like a deformed monkey when he was little.
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The Real Wizard
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jean_Luc2000 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I like Bush; he is someone with a back bone who stands up for what he believes in and speaks his mind. Not like the weasel we have as a leader here in the UK.
I don't think gay marriages are right, but as long as there not done in a Holy place in the name of God and his son Jesus Christ then they can have all he sham marriages they want.
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Enter Roger Taylor
"Religion tends to fuck people up."
Exit Roger Taylor
I just hope this Jean_Luc character is under the age of 30. If so, then he has plenty of time to hit the age of reason.
From the article: Bush said, "If courts create their own arbitrary definition of marriage as a mere legal contract, and cut marriage off from its cultural, religious and natural roots, then the meaning of marriage is lost and the institution is weakened."
There's the #1 problem with traditional religion today - focusing on the antiquity of the dogma and its institution, rather than finding a way to make the dogma and its "naturality" more suitable for today's growing society. How can one with traditional faith have compassion for all others and their desires when that faith clearly creates these differences?
I don't think gay marriages are right, but as long as there not done in a Holy place in the name of God and his son Jesus Christ then they can have all he sham marriages they want.
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Enter Roger Taylor
"Religion tends to fuck people up."
Exit Roger Taylor
I just hope this Jean_Luc character is under the age of 30. If so, then he has plenty of time to hit the age of reason.
From the article: Bush said, "If courts create their own arbitrary definition of marriage as a mere legal contract, and cut marriage off from its cultural, religious and natural roots, then the meaning of marriage is lost and the institution is weakened."
There's the #1 problem with traditional religion today - focusing on the antiquity of the dogma and its institution, rather than finding a way to make the dogma and its "naturality" more suitable for today's growing society. How can one with traditional faith have compassion for all others and their desires when that faith clearly creates these differences?
Farlander
If such things are mutable, then they are meaningless. It is axiomatic that morality does not change with the times. This "traditional faith" does not create these differences, it mearly points out they exist.
SergeantPepperDG
I love this list.
12 reasons why gays shouldn’t marry:
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can’t legally get married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are property, blacks can’t marry whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven’t adapted to things like cars or longer life spans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a “separate but equal” institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
12 reasons why gays shouldn’t marry:
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can’t legally get married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are property, blacks can’t marry whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven’t adapted to things like cars or longer life spans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a “separate but equal” institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
SergeantPepperDG
Woohoo! Senate rejected the idea of an amendmant.
inu-liger
Good!
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Farlander wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If such things are mutable, then they are meaningless. It is axiomatic that morality does not change with the times. This "traditional faith" does not create these differences, it mearly points out they exist.[/QUOTE]
I see where you're coming from, but in the end I strongly disagree. It is the divisive and anti-intellectual style of traditional faith that creates the difference, since these people merely quote the bible as their means of justification. You can't deny that a good chunk of the homophobic population comes from conservative religious upbringings.
I see where you're coming from, but in the end I strongly disagree. It is the divisive and anti-intellectual style of traditional faith that creates the difference, since these people merely quote the bible as their means of justification. You can't deny that a good chunk of the homophobic population comes from conservative religious upbringings.
geeksandgeeks
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SergeantPepperDG wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Woohoo! Senate rejected the idea of an amendmant.[/QUOTE]
Of course, Bush is still trying to shove it up our asses. I watched it on C-SPAN.
Of course, Bush is still trying to shove it up our asses. I watched it on C-SPAN.