Kerry?

So, I see, you'd rather vote for John "Shoot 'Em in the Back" Kerry?

Kerry is a total hypocrite. He'll say anything.

Bush at least knows the definition of the word honesty, if I don't always agree with him.

Kerry's for things like weekend furloughs for murderers - oh, what a fantastic idea.

It's the hypocrite vs. the idiot. Why can't we ever have able people run for office? Because they're all doing the important things in life, like teaching, engineering, and such. Like I say, your life is influenced very little by the guy we call the President.

Krizzy wrote:

War aside Iron Eagle,sir, can you honestly tell me that Bush represents the average Amercian in this country when he is supporting a bill in congress to prevent ppl from suing billion dollar pharmaceutical companies for damages caused by their medications.

Who do you think pays for the lawsuits, though? The next few million people who buy medication!! So why make many millions suffer for the revenge of one? Also, exactly how much is pain and suffering worth? I doubt millions. No, I belive that people should make their millions the old-fashioned way; earn it.

Mr. Cheney still has money in Halliburton one of the bigger firms who won the contract in rebuilding Iraq....hmmmm. Bush and Cheney representing the average American ppl, sorry I have to disagree.

One of the biggest firms wins a bid in their field of operation??? Now that sounds a little crazy doesn't it???

As for Mr. Clinton and the Monica-gate, so what? Many presidents have had affairs that were never leaked to the public.

Two wrongs (Or numerous wrongs as the case may be.) do not make a right.

AS far as the first attack on the WTC, I lived in NYC during both attacks and I can tell you there were two fundamental differences between the two.

Blaming any one president for these occurances is a mistake. It's taken years of ignoring facts and a relaxed attitude about domestic security to allow 9/11 to occur. We can start with blame, probably s far back as Carter, and not only hit presidents but also leaders of FBI, CIA, etc.

PS: I love Zeni and I don't care who knows it!

"Bush at least knows the definition of the word honesty, if I don't always agree with him."

I'm rubbing my eyes trying to see if that was a typo. He knows the definition of honesty?! Bush and honesty don't work in the same sentence together. Good Lord. Have you been living under a rock for the past 4 years? Shall I go into his honesty a bit for you?
1. Enron
2. The Iraq war
3. "I have created millions of jobs." Maybe for Mexico. While the rest of the US languishes in the worst unemployment to hit in years. Show me the jobs. Michigan still sits around 10%.
You want more proof of the 'honest man'?
4. WOMD "We have credible evidence that Saddam had WOMD." Hmm... funny that the UN inspectors didn't find any. And still haven't. And won't because there aren't any.
I can go on if you want.

Applauds M@att


No one is perfect Mr. Brandon. Certainly not Bush nor Clinton for that matter. Bush making a statement that he is a "War President" certainly scares me enough. Especially since he did not ever really serve overseas in any kind of military action and his "war record" seems to have been conveniently "deleted" by the State Dept. Hmmmm? Honesty once again.

Now, don't get me wrong I'm not misguded enough to think that any politicain running for office will be completely honest, certainly not! But there are many many ppl sir, who think Bush is not the man for the job anymore.

Kriz :o)

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

Bush at least knows the definition of the word honesty, if I don't always agree with him.

SaraJane, As much as I love you, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Matt also provided examples, but not my favourate one which is a report of terrorist attacks 2002 vs. 2003. The Bush administration used it to show that their 'war on terror' was working because there were much less attacks in 2003. As it turned out, however- the entire month of November for 2003 was left out in the report- and really there was an increase of attacks.
honesty? whatever.

"Can you provide a leftist perspective of why the UN is so corrupt and inept? ... or would you rather ignore the oil for food fiasco?"

Have I ever said the UN is perfect? It might be a little less imperfect if the USA paid its debts or abided by its decisions. But the US ignores those decisions that go against its interests eg rulings against Israel. And you wonder why people don't trust America to make these decisions for us? In cases like Iraq I would rather have the UN make decisions about war and peace than the US on its own. I guess you can't see why because you're American. But the other 95% of the population of the Earth is not American...

Or look at it this way: going it alone has gotten the US into a mess in Iraq. There have been at least 15,000 civilian deaths, and 900+ American. Your huge military budget didn't prevent 9-11, and actions since then won't prevent what your experts call another "inevitable" attack on the US. Added to that, Bin Laden is still running around three years later. Things couldn't have gone much worse for America due to Dubya's go-it-alone policies. How could cooperating with the UN on international issues (including terrorism) be any worse than that record?

LOL...It appears that this conversation is going in circles. I purposly avoid political arguments because I see them as pointless. Person A has his opinion and Person B has hers. Nothing either says will change the others opinions, so I just ignore the political differences. We can banter back and forth until November, but why? We've been hearing the same comments for the past four years and i'm quite sick of the rhetoric.

The only comment I'll make is a sincere fear I have: I think a lot (majority??) of votes John Kerry will get will be votes against President Bush, not for Kerry. This is unsettling for me, because people should vote as a support for one candidate and his views and not as a vote NOT for Bush.

I wish there could be a pleasant solution for all this, but I don't see the left-right line blurring anytime soon.

"Person A has his opinion and Person B has hers. Nothing either says will change the others opinions,"

But you forget about Person C, the outsider who merely reads the debate and has no firm opinion. It's them we should be trying to reach.

And Brandon- I'm married. But I'll keep you in mind if things start to go south. :)

That's one point...but the real reason is...it's fun.

kizzy

because i post as i do it should not be assumed i am a Bush fan.....

I love you Paul. :)

Matt, maybe you have a chance with Paul, because Bush won't let him get married.

Matt the reason the jobless rate is so high in Michigan is because Michigan workers are overly bureaucratic , underworked and overpaid (ie unionized).

Move to Chicago metro area - the economy is overheating here.

Bush may suck, but Kerry and Edwards are twice as bad. Elect them and watch the ecomomy go to the shitter. Colin Powell, John McCain, Tom Daschle, Barrack Obama and Joe Lieberman are just a few off the top of my head that would have been better.

Edwards - member of LOL - "Law Office Lottery"

Margo wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

Bush at least knows the definition of the word honesty, if I don't always agree with him.

SaraJane, As much as I love you, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Matt also provided examples, but not my favourate one which is a report of terrorist attacks 2002 vs. 2003. The Bush administration used it to show that their 'war on terror' was working because there were much less attacks in 2003. As it turned out, however- the entire month of November for 2003 was left out in the report- and really there was an increase of attacks.
honesty? whatever.

I respect your point. I was moreso referring to the fact that Kerry flip-flops on his views. He says one thing, then says another...

I respect those who are not very convinced by Kerry due to his flip-flop views.
But C'mon!!... After all the crap that Dumbya has gotten us into?

If Jessica Simpson, was running against Bush I think I'd vote for her.