I remember someone mentioning the school hostage situation in Russia, and I was wondering if anyone knew anything more about that. Does anyone know how many people were being held hostage to begin with? The news report I read said that there were estimates from 300 to 1500, and that's a really big gap!
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"In france and in European Union we have certainly more liberty than anywhere else."
... and yet skullcaps, scarves, turbans and crosses are banned ...
... and yet skullcaps, scarves, turbans and crosses are banned ...
"In france and in European Union we have certainly more liberty than anywhere else."
... and yet skullcaps, scarves, turbans and crosses are banned ...
Why skullcaps, scarves, turbans and crosses should be symbols of individual freedom, in your opinion? Do you really think, and believe me, I'm just asking, that religions mean individual freedom? Many people, here in Europe, died for obtaining laic countries, and I don't think it's a good idea to go back to the stone age,.. French and Italian people may be in permanent desagreement for a thousand things, most of which are total bullshits, but the basic principles are the same because we fought towards the same goals... In my opinion there are a lot of things people should be aware of... Censorship... Ignorance... And you should consider that the first Muslims who had come in Europe years and years ago were sooooooo happy to throw away their scarves and turbans... They wanted to be Europeans because they chose to live in Europe and Europe became their new home...You can absolutely trust me about that !!!
I don't know if my bad English allowed me to make the point clear... I beg your pardon... Try to understand me!!!
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Albyboy
The ability to follow a religion without government harassment attempting to assure conformity - is liberty.
Personally, I am athiest, but I still think people should be able to follow their religion (without harming humankind).
Although I believe that these laws banning wearing of religious symbols are wrong, I hope France shows some backbone and does not cave in to these terrorists.
Personally, I am athiest, but I still think people should be able to follow their religion (without harming humankind).
Although I believe that these laws banning wearing of religious symbols are wrong, I hope France shows some backbone and does not cave in to these terrorists.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the French ban only in schools? IF that's the case, it's very similar to arguments Americans have been having about whether teachers wearing crosses or other religious symbols is a violation of the separation of church and state.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sch_clot1.htm
Yes Haole, we all know that the USA has problems too ... or are you impling that if government sponsored discrimination is good enough for the USA, it must be good enough for France?
Yes Haole, we all know that the USA has problems too ... or are you impling that if government sponsored discrimination is good enough for the USA, it must be good enough for France?
Not at all. Just that it's fatuous to talk of America being "freer" than France when the issue of separation of church and state is one that the US is also grappling with. Also, you didn't mention anything about this being limited to schools so I wanted to clarify that. Just trying to bring a little subtlety to the discussion :p