Elton's dig backed

you're right. the old fuckers just want publicity.

Elton and Roger come off as whiny sour grapes. Brian, of course, is absolutely right.

I know I haven't posted much on the board, but I really felt obligated to respond to this topic. My two favorite musical artists are Madonna and Queen, and it's been that way steadily for years.

I had the pleasure of seeing Madonna's Reinvention Tour in NYC, and then winning VIP Pit tickets to see her again in NYC from MTV. I then saw the show again in Massachusetts. I then was lucky enough to find a DVD of the show I had won the tickets for on a bootleg DVD.

After seeing the concert live from just a few feet away, and then seeing it again on DVD. I decided to try to figure out what the hell Elton was talking about.

Now, what makes this difficult, is that, and I'm not saying this because I'm biased. But Madonna's voice was probably at it's best tour wise, for this tour. The setlist for Madonna's show was as follows:

1. The Beast Within: This is done on video projectors, and the audio is prerecorded on the video. Madonna is not on stage for this number.

2. Vogue: This is a hard one, because she sounds ALOT like she does on record. I believe there's a possibility she may be singing over a recording of herself for this number.

3. Nobody Knows Me: Sang live

4. Frozen: Sang live

5. American Life: Sang live

6. Express Yourself: Sang live

7. Burning Up: Sang live

8. Material Girl: Sang live

9. Hollywood: This is a dance sequence, using a prerecorded remix. Madonna is not on stage for this number.

10. Hanky Panky: Sang Live

11. Deeper & Deeper: Sang live

12. Die Another Day: On the DVD you can totally notice this song is being lip-synched For those of you who have seen the video, the concept is the same. Madonna is being pulled and pushed all around the stage while dancing. So I can understand why she felt it best to lip sync this number.

13. The Lament: Sang live.

14. Bedtime Stories: This is a dance sequence, using a prerecorded remix. Madonna is not on stage for this number.

15. Nothing Fails - Sang live

16. Don't Tell Me - Sang live

17. Like A Prayer - Sang live

18. Mother & Father - Sang live

19. Imagine - Sang live

20. Into The Groove - Sang live

21. Papa Don't Preach - Sang live

22. Crazy For You - Sang live

23. Music - Sang live

24. Holiday - Sang live

So for the exception of 2 dance sequences, 1 song, and 1 video. All the songs are sang live.

Elton in the past has made rude comments about Madonna. I don't understand what happened between the two of them. Madonna has said in the past that Elton was one of her favorite singers. And if you look at the pics below from The Brit Awards from 1995, things seemed to be fine back then.

http://www.madonnashots.com/brit22.jpg
http://www.madonnashots.com/brit20.jpg
http://www.madonnashots.com/brit28.jpg
http://www.madonnashots.com/brit26.jpg
http://www.madonnashots.com/brit27.jpg
http://www.madonnashots.com/brit13.jpg
http://www.madonnashots.com/brit12.jpg

Anyway, I don't understand why Elton has become a bitter queen in his old age...lol. But this picture below is hysterical, (I found it on a Madonna site), and I think it helps explain better...lol.

http://www.madonnatribe.com/images8/and_now_sing.jpg

Big thanks for such a compex description. I guess the good days of Elton are gone and maybe that is th reason of his frustration?

Maybe Elton`s jealous because Madonna got to kiss Britney, while he just got to kiss George Michael

Elton is just a big drama Queen, and because he was'nt nominated for best female singer, he decided to take out on Madge. Maybe Madge should have a go at Elton for pretending to have hair.

When is the last time Brian and Roger agreed on anything?

Who's Madge...?


Nevermind...

I admire A LOT both Brian and Elton, they are great, almost gods for me.
In this case I totally agree with Elton's view on Madonna, but he'd better say nothing about it. Brian is right, in most of situations if you restrain your criticism is just better both for you and the others. Even if I agree with Elton's view.

I have this strange feeling, that this topic is very slighlty Queen - related. I don`t care about the relations between Brian, Elton and Roger because what good it can possibly bring? nother shitty version of "Show Must Go On" - a masterpiece which shouldn`t have been EVER re - recorded?

I have to say something here too. I have seen Madonna live in Australia when she came in 1993 and it was a great show - and I have a superb quality bootleg of her current "Re-Invention Tour" and I can say she has done a great job of that too - I did not like her "Drowned World Tour" much (but this new tour is fabulous) - I am mostly a Queen fan (first and foremost) but have followed Madonna since 1984.
The thing with Elton and Madonna goes back to 1993 - he slagged her off on Australian TV then, and the breaking point between them was when Madonna brought out the video for "Drowned World" in which she depicted a star harassed by the paparazzi - and he did not like it (came out in public to say so) as he thought she was trying to say something about Princess Diana and what happened to her.
So he has made no secret of being a 'bitch' towards Madonna. When you see her shows, you get a caberet style show, packed with dancing and such - and she even says "I am going to do a naughty thing now & lip sync" - so she admits when she does it for the dance content. I think if you get the whole show, presented as it was, you would not feel cheated at all. The new concert is trully amazing, and I think Elton is just acting like a "bitchy queen" and to make such a public show of being bitchy was really "not cool" and Brian was right in his comments on the soapbox.
But Madonna does NOT lyp-sync her whole show......hmmmmmmm - and I wonder if Elton has even seen it???? (I think not).
I can remember reading several times how critics used to "bag" Queen for playing back tape in thier show too (Bo Rhap) - but we never get cross about that - coz it was totally acceptable to do so to us, as we know we got live material all the rest of the time.
so.......if Madonna (also known as Madge in the UK by the way) - lip-syncs a song for the sake of dance presentation - well I don't have a problem with that - but I would if she lip-synced a whole show - that would be wrong.
Enuff said ..........
Teddybear

this from a twat who in his own documentary went through 50 MILLION DOLLARS yes I did say 50 MILLION DOLLARS and then had to take out a loan from his record company and is now playing rain out days at ceasars for celine dion to make up the difference. Here's a SELFISH idiot who's spent enough money on the most useless things in LIFE when he could have been feeding a 3rd world country or have paid for asia or africa's HIV infected person's drugs for an entire lifetime somebody should slap this guy he makes me sick...

Madonna is terrible. I praise Elton and Roger...

Hmmm...I think Elton is having all those troubles rumoured by all the tabloids....

Not gettin' any from David. Poor Elton! He needs a new boyfriend.

-Amethyst

LOL Chancellor - yes, that must be it !!!!!
Elton is frustrated !!!!