re: See What A Fool I've Been
this song definetly went through vocal/lyrical changes between the BBC and B-Side versions. I think most live versions are closer to the BBC take. I remember that this song started as Smile's loose interpretation of "That's How I Feel" by Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee.
Of course Doing All Right and Polar Bear were also Smile songs (and possibly Silver Salmon?), Stone Cold Crazy (Hangman?) were reportedly reworked Wreckage tunes, I don't know if any other tracks had there origins pre-Queen
re: Mad The Swine, we can agree that the sound might be different but in essence "the song remains the same"
re: Bowie
yes, David Bowie was the artist/one of the artists whom Queen shared studio time with--I THINK I remember someone (Brian?) being interviewed about running into Bowie coming up the stairs while Queen were going down, I might've gotten that mixed up but yes, Bowie was recording at Trident at that time, and I believe (though again, I could be wrong) that was also how Queen met photographer Mick Rock, who had been working with Bowie and Lou Reed.
re: other songs
Larry Lurex tracks - I believe Freddie (vocals), Brian (guitar solo), and Roger (percussion) appear on I Can Hear Music, and only Freddie on Goin' Back; I was going to ask about how the "Anthem Remix" differed from the UK 7" release, is this another "Mad The Swine" type remix or an essentially different version?
Rock N Roll Medley - would this be similar to the live version, a Jailhouse Rock jam/a few lines of Stupid Cupid/Be Bop A Lula/Jamming back into Jailhouse. I would be interested to know what other (if any) covers Queen played in their earliest sets (not a question directed towards you, John, or anyone else--it's more of a rhetorical wondering as I doubt even Brian would remember).
Liar - some lyrics (and music?) are reported to originate with Freddie's "Lover", which was performed by Wreckage and Sour Milk Sea, then apparently re-arranged by the Queen members, which Brian said was when Freddie established the "rule" that the lyricist would receive the credit for writing a song in the cases when the four members worked together. GB mentioned in Record Collector magazine that
Liar is "a completely different animal" without vocals, which may be a hint that an instrumental version exists in the archives?
Son And Daughter was I believe one of the first songs they played as a four-piece with John Deacon/Deacon John
This album was also, I believe, Mike Stone's engineerial debut, he would go on to minor Queen fame as the "hey boy where'd you get it from" voice on Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy, and the assistant producer of NOTW
There was also, from the "eponymous" era, at least one live performance of "All The Young Dudes" by Mott the Hoople with Brian, Freddie, and Roger singing backing vocals in the chorus, although I don't know if you were saving the "Mott The Hoople" tour for the possible future Queen II thread, John.
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Bullwinkle: would you be willing to sell the Hangman acetate to QP for what you paid 20 years ago?
No. I would not sell anything to Queen Productions. Period.
Adam: "What do you mean you don't hold grudges? You said yourself... 'Trick me once, shame on you. Trick me twice, shame on me"
But that's not holding a grudge. The English translation may be "Once bitten, twice shy". I mean if I got a speeding ticket on a stretch of road, I wouldn't hold a grudge against the road - that would be silly... however, I would be a bit more careful the next time I travelled down it.
It may be "cautious" but it is not holding a grudge.
No. I would not sell anything to Queen Productions. Period.
Adam: "What do you mean you don't hold grudges? You said yourself... 'Trick me once, shame on you. Trick me twice, shame on me"
But that's not holding a grudge. The English translation may be "Once bitten, twice shy". I mean if I got a speeding ticket on a stretch of road, I wouldn't hold a grudge against the road - that would be silly... however, I would be a bit more careful the next time I travelled down it.
It may be "cautious" but it is not holding a grudge.
What I was wondering is if Dog with a bone would also be a song that already was created during these sessions, and didn't get finished so it was later on rerecorded for the fanclubmembers?
The reason I'm asking this is because it shows ressemblance with Hangman, and also soundwise it could be from the same era, because the song itself is very basic and raw, so a bit typical for their early period.
By the way does anybody here know Greg Brooks his emailadres?
Could you be so kind to pass it on to me so I could ask him some questions?
Thanks
The reason I'm asking this is because it shows ressemblance with Hangman, and also soundwise it could be from the same era, because the song itself is very basic and raw, so a bit typical for their early period.
By the way does anybody here know Greg Brooks his emailadres?
Could you be so kind to pass it on to me so I could ask him some questions?
Thanks
John, while I'm not doubting 100% what you wrote about the masters being sent to Hollywood.. one thing doesn't make sense.. "The Game" which got lost or stolen wouldn't have been multitrack would it? The multitracks as I understand it, are not even the same tapes.. they are separate tapes with one or two songs each.
Quite different from what Justin Shirley Smith refers to as 'flat 2 channel masters' which are pre-mixed and are what's used for remasters.. so even if they sent the first generation of those by mistake, it doesn't affect the multitracks.. and I'm not sure you're correct about The Game DVD-A being made up of different bits as a blanket statement. We know that certain things such as the different vocals for 'Coming Soon' were used because the originals are lost.. but that's one song's multitrack tape.. not affecting the whole album, which I do believe they had the multitracks for in most cases.
http://www.brianmay.com/queen/thegame/technical.html
I can't believe a mistake as big as sending multiple multitrack tapes for each album could have been made.
Quite different from what Justin Shirley Smith refers to as 'flat 2 channel masters' which are pre-mixed and are what's used for remasters.. so even if they sent the first generation of those by mistake, it doesn't affect the multitracks.. and I'm not sure you're correct about The Game DVD-A being made up of different bits as a blanket statement. We know that certain things such as the different vocals for 'Coming Soon' were used because the originals are lost.. but that's one song's multitrack tape.. not affecting the whole album, which I do believe they had the multitracks for in most cases.
http://www.brianmay.com/queen/thegame/technical.html
I can't believe a mistake as big as sending multiple multitrack tapes for each album could have been made.
By the way does anybody here know Greg Brooks his emailadres?
Could you be so kind to pass it on to me so I could ask him some questions?
Thanks
Theres a section on Queen Online http://www.queenonline.com/index2.php that you can ask him questions. To ask for someone to print his email address on this site might open old wounds and its one of the few rules on this site that you'd be inadvertently breaking.
By the way does anybody here know Greg Brooks his emailadres?
Could you be so kind to pass it on to me so I could ask him some questions?
Thanks
Theres a section on Queen Online http://www.queenonline.com/index2.php that you can ask him questions. To ask for someone to print his email address on this site might open old wounds and its one of the few rules on this site that you'd be inadvertently breaking.
Ow ok sorry I didn't know that I was breaking rules.
Sorry for that, it was not my intention to upset someone or break any rules.
DF: "John, while I'm not doubting 100% what you wrote about the masters being sent to Hollywood.. I can't believe a mistake as big as sending multiple multitrack tapes for each album could have been made".
Well, actually, ironically you are doubting - or else you would not have raised it. but hey - you know what I- don't really know what was stolen. They were stolen in the US - and as it is a county I have never yet visited, I think I have a cast iron alibi - don't you?
Now, forget your trivialisation, and pedantic sword-fighting. It was the "Master tapes". Whether that was a collection of bits - multiple multitrack tapes for each album - or one big reel - I have no idea. Besides, it was the whole Queen catalogue, not just "The Game". So just wait for the call for bits of "A Day At The Races" to be returned when the next DVDA is to be remastered.
Remember, the idea was to digitally REMASTER and REMAKE the CD's as CDs. (The UK CDs were taken from the original safety master's which the LP's were made from. So in effect they were processed from an old print. The UK CD's were not digitally remastered either, but digitally transfered. A subtle difference beyond me - but there you have it). Following the story so far?
So when Hollywood wanted to RE-MAKE, they wanted to RE-MAKE DIGITALLY from the base up. They had the best equipment in the world at that time - and I guess they would have wanted acces to source materials. So I guess that would mean the whole shooting match - don't you?
I guess Brian would like to do the same - but on DVDA - but he can' because they are gone.
But the thing is =Jeffrey= (Keepin'it real) it does not matter a fig what you think - or what you believe - the fact is that they are GONE - AWOL - Finito-binito! And if Brian ever discovers the b*gger or b*ggers who knicked his stuff - then I for one would like to buy a ringside seat.
As for "I can't believe a mistake as big as sending multiple multitrack tapes for each album could have been made". There is one fatal flaw in your argument. You assume that the "bottom feeders" are as professional as the band - and as Brian has found out to his cost - that is a very fatal mistake to make.
Any other points you would like to discuss - or do you still want to pick me up on some other pedantic point?
Well, actually, ironically you are doubting - or else you would not have raised it. but hey - you know what I- don't really know what was stolen. They were stolen in the US - and as it is a county I have never yet visited, I think I have a cast iron alibi - don't you?
Now, forget your trivialisation, and pedantic sword-fighting. It was the "Master tapes". Whether that was a collection of bits - multiple multitrack tapes for each album - or one big reel - I have no idea. Besides, it was the whole Queen catalogue, not just "The Game". So just wait for the call for bits of "A Day At The Races" to be returned when the next DVDA is to be remastered.
Remember, the idea was to digitally REMASTER and REMAKE the CD's as CDs. (The UK CDs were taken from the original safety master's which the LP's were made from. So in effect they were processed from an old print. The UK CD's were not digitally remastered either, but digitally transfered. A subtle difference beyond me - but there you have it). Following the story so far?
So when Hollywood wanted to RE-MAKE, they wanted to RE-MAKE DIGITALLY from the base up. They had the best equipment in the world at that time - and I guess they would have wanted acces to source materials. So I guess that would mean the whole shooting match - don't you?
I guess Brian would like to do the same - but on DVDA - but he can' because they are gone.
But the thing is =Jeffrey= (Keepin'it real) it does not matter a fig what you think - or what you believe - the fact is that they are GONE - AWOL - Finito-binito! And if Brian ever discovers the b*gger or b*ggers who knicked his stuff - then I for one would like to buy a ringside seat.
As for "I can't believe a mistake as big as sending multiple multitrack tapes for each album could have been made". There is one fatal flaw in your argument. You assume that the "bottom feeders" are as professional as the band - and as Brian has found out to his cost - that is a very fatal mistake to make.
Any other points you would like to discuss - or do you still want to pick me up on some other pedantic point?
Now this thing comes to my mind:
Will somebody dare one day to show a list of the rare recordings they own?
The Reaction tracks with Roger that were auctioned some years ago, more Freddie and Monserrat bits, 1984 and Smile recordings (I think there was another version of one of their studio songs almost released...maybe Earth?)
Thanks
Will somebody dare one day to show a list of the rare recordings they own?
The Reaction tracks with Roger that were auctioned some years ago, more Freddie and Monserrat bits, 1984 and Smile recordings (I think there was another version of one of their studio songs almost released...maybe Earth?)
Thanks
John what do you think about my point about Dog with a bone?
DF: Good link
http://www.brianmay.com/queen/thegame/technical.html
Notice anything strange?
"The last time these tapes were played was in preparation for the Japanese Queen Karaoke CD in 1996". OK - but that proves nothing!
Nothing is said about tapes before that date. The point is it's language again. If the masters were stolen... then what remains must by definition be new "masters".
But these new masters - are the old safety copies - because the original masters were nicked!
So what I say does not contradict Justin, as Justin is using the material he is working from as masters!
Why else do you think so much stuff is missing?
phew!!!
Now... Justin also wrote (on the next page) - my own emphisis on S T O L E N!
When there are things in the mix that are not on the multi-track, we know that this multi-track is not the one used for the mix. This is what happened with Coming Soon. We believe our Coming Soon tape was copied at a late stage in the original production, and then the copy was used to record a few backing and lead vocal changes, then used for the mix, and was subsequently lost or STOLEN. The result is a mix containing 95% of the original parts plus a few previously unheard ones.
You make sense of that what you will. But as I said, they were nicked!
http://www.brianmay.com/queen/thegame/technical.html
Notice anything strange?
"The last time these tapes were played was in preparation for the Japanese Queen Karaoke CD in 1996". OK - but that proves nothing!
Nothing is said about tapes before that date. The point is it's language again. If the masters were stolen... then what remains must by definition be new "masters".
But these new masters - are the old safety copies - because the original masters were nicked!
So what I say does not contradict Justin, as Justin is using the material he is working from as masters!
Why else do you think so much stuff is missing?
phew!!!
Now... Justin also wrote (on the next page) - my own emphisis on S T O L E N!
When there are things in the mix that are not on the multi-track, we know that this multi-track is not the one used for the mix. This is what happened with Coming Soon. We believe our Coming Soon tape was copied at a late stage in the original production, and then the copy was used to record a few backing and lead vocal changes, then used for the mix, and was subsequently lost or STOLEN. The result is a mix containing 95% of the original parts plus a few previously unheard ones.
You make sense of that what you will. But as I said, they were nicked!
Double post. (And why has this answer jumped to the top of the page?)
Cesar Madarro: "Will somebody dare one day to show a list of the rare recordings they own"?
Although your post is relevant, this thread is discussing the Queen debut album. I think you would be better to take this into another thread. That is not because I am being rude, but it is bound to be lost or overlooked in here. At least in another thread it would have a life of it's own.
EddieVanHalen: Sorry to disagree, but I think "Dog With A Bone" comes from a much later period, and I also believe it was especially written for the fans attending one of the mid 1980 Queen conventions.
I may be mistaken about the last point, but, perhaps someone who was there could clarify that for us. (Certainly, that's where the bootleg copies come from).
Although your post is relevant, this thread is discussing the Queen debut album. I think you would be better to take this into another thread. That is not because I am being rude, but it is bound to be lost or overlooked in here. At least in another thread it would have a life of it's own.
EddieVanHalen: Sorry to disagree, but I think "Dog With A Bone" comes from a much later period, and I also believe it was especially written for the fans attending one of the mid 1980 Queen conventions.
I may be mistaken about the last point, but, perhaps someone who was there could clarify that for us. (Certainly, that's where the bootleg copies come from).
John, which year you believe the Hangman demo was recorded ? 1971, 1972 or 1973 ?
I hope that the unique material on any (random) acetate is not "played out" but that a copy is taken (once) and kept on (for example) mini disc.
Thanks John, Chaka, Lester, Sebastian and everybody else who contributed wonderfull information to the board.
When I ever see anyone of you in real life, remember me to buy you a beer!
When I ever see anyone of you in real life, remember me to buy you a beer!