Prophetic words by a very clever person:
Freddie Mercury (Circus Magazine, late 1977): "If anyone left Queen, anyone of the four, that would be the end of Queen. We are four equal, interwoven parts. And the others just couldn't function the same without each quarter."
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And this is by a person who was very clever, now he got brainwashed...
Brian (Dutch TV, 1992): "I think the only future is the past really. I think there's a great future for the Queen material, and I hope it will always live in some form. But I don't think we can go out and -be- Queen. It doesn't make sense. Without Freddie there isn't a Queen. We always said that if any one of us disappeared, we said that Queen wouldn't exist any more. That's how I feel about it. I think ... I'm very proud of what we did, I'm very proud of the material. I'm very proud of Freddie and of what we did together. But every thing has a beginning and a middle and an end. And this is the end point."
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john is just as much a part of queen as the others are. if brian and roger want to tour and magic new music, great, start a new band with them and paul rodgers and others, but don't call it queen and don't play queen songs written by either freddie or john.
Geez- man
Don't like it-
don't go
Sit at home and listen to Back To The Light and hope for Brian's solo tour... Or just whine about how good they used to be...
I don't give a s**t what are they doing for- even if it's really only for money, as long as I'm going to have a great fun at the gig- WHO CARESS!!!???? That's all that matters. If it's going to be good- who cares about the reason? We can't dissmiss it five months before, without seeing it just because of sentiments... That's pretty much my point...
Those guys changed my life. But it IS just the name- I love the music, not the banner...
You forgot to tell us how The Works is shitty again... I think you should change your nickname to 'All Queen/Solo albums are crap and you all have to sit at home and never go to Brian/Roger gigs'...
And in the quote there is a sentence "I LOVE THE MUSIC NOT THE BANNER"... Do you understand English...? Or are you just stupid...?
John stands behind Roger and Brian, except the single we are the champions with Robby Williams he wasn't satisfied, but overall it's okay for him.
He just don't like to be involved with Queen anymore. Instead he prefers to sit on a chair and being entertained by some female strippers or watching television with his 5 kids!
He just don't like to be involved with Queen anymore. Instead he prefers to sit on a chair and being entertained by some female strippers or watching television with his 5 kids!
John stands behind Roger and Brian, except the single we are the champions with Robby Williams he wasn't satisfied, but overall it's okay for him.
He just don't like to be involved with Queen anymore. Instead he prefers to sit on a chair and being entertained by some female strippers or watching television with his 5 kids!
He just don't like to be involved with Queen anymore. Instead he prefers to sit on a chair and being entertained by some female strippers or watching television with his 5 kids!
Why should John Deacon have a problem with the upcoming tour when he did not have a problem with the musical, the Pepsi commercial , the collaboration with 5ive etc etc. I have a feeling he is not half as fanatic about the "legend" and "heritage" of a band (which was only a band, for heaven's sake) as some fans. Why should anyone get a heart attack over the question how they name themselves? If the tour is good, it will be a success, otherwise it will be a failure, so why worry in advance?
I think you will find that legally EMI or whichever record company is involved will not need John's permission. I guess it depends on how Queen Productions was set up, but these days probably John's only involvement is collecting his royalties for song-writing and performance.
It certainly seems as if Jim Beach can licence Queen tracks for compilations etc [not Queen ones but Various Artist ones] as their business manager etc without much involvement at all from the band.
Steve
It certainly seems as if Jim Beach can licence Queen tracks for compilations etc [not Queen ones but Various Artist ones] as their business manager etc without much involvement at all from the band.
Steve
Good point. It's possible, unless they had a rule saying that decisions must be made unanimously.
However, I'm pretty sure that even if John could be outvoted on certain issues (like recording a song with Robbie Williams, for example...), there are certain limits where general law would enable John to categorically obstruct no matter what Bri/Rog say. Any sound recordings or products that Queen Productions hold the rights to cannot be used or changed without John's permission. If I'm not mistaken, it is impossible to release any compilation albums (e.g. GH III, Jewels) or album re-masters (miniatures etc...) without John's consent, because he's a joint owner of all of Queen's recordings and copyright law would enable John to prevent any further steps.
This is what I dont understand... Freddie is dead. John has retired and no longer publicly wants anything to do with performing/being in Queen. In effect, as far as being in Queen goes, by his own choice, he also is dead to Queen. [More power to him - it is his life to live as he chooses. There is no reason for him ever to comment on this tour, because if he does, he becomes involved again, and he obviously doesnt want to be. Besides - unless it was on video, some fuckwit or other around here who disagreed with him would insist he was 'forced' to agree or some other such paranoid bullshit].
So... no Freddie, no John. All that is left is Brian and Roger publicly continuing the band they have been in all their adult lives. So now they want to go on tour - and I say good luck to them!! Freddie cannot be 'replaced'. But he isnt here - cant be here. They are not going back and replacing him - they are going forward and continuing on without him because they have no choice. Same with John. He hasnt given them a choice in the matter. He retired. His decision. I think its a disgrace the crap Brian and Roger have had poured on them because they didnt have the decency to die when Freddie did, because some people here have to deal with the fact that they are now doing things that these fans disapprove of. Well... youre gonna have to deal with it guys, cos this tour is gonna happen. Go - dont go. Doesnt matter to me. But I think its terrible the way that Brian and Rogers contributions to Queen are being denigrated regularly now like some form of revisionist history because Freddie is dead. Im damn sure Freddie would never have allowed it if he were alive.
Steve
PS As for your comment below Mr Chicago, it wasnt that they only became successful when Freddie came on board, it was that they only became Queen when they formed the band and John joined also. Thats when Queen happened.
So... no Freddie, no John. All that is left is Brian and Roger publicly continuing the band they have been in all their adult lives. So now they want to go on tour - and I say good luck to them!! Freddie cannot be 'replaced'. But he isnt here - cant be here. They are not going back and replacing him - they are going forward and continuing on without him because they have no choice. Same with John. He hasnt given them a choice in the matter. He retired. His decision. I think its a disgrace the crap Brian and Roger have had poured on them because they didnt have the decency to die when Freddie did, because some people here have to deal with the fact that they are now doing things that these fans disapprove of. Well... youre gonna have to deal with it guys, cos this tour is gonna happen. Go - dont go. Doesnt matter to me. But I think its terrible the way that Brian and Rogers contributions to Queen are being denigrated regularly now like some form of revisionist history because Freddie is dead. Im damn sure Freddie would never have allowed it if he were alive.
Steve
PS As for your comment below Mr Chicago, it wasnt that they only became successful when Freddie came on board, it was that they only became Queen when they formed the band and John joined also. Thats when Queen happened.
But speaking of Queen all members were equally important (Freddie even a bit more, because in the public eye FREDDIE WAS QUEEN), and I don`t think they would have continued if John, Roger or Brian had died. Also, you rate Brian + Roger a bit too high. Brian`s guitar playing was certainly important, but they only really became successful, when Freddie came on board. He wrote most of Queen`s early classics and all the grandeur about queen was HIS idea. Even the name came from him.....
so I think everybody who says: "Freddie is dead, so what" is entirely ignorant of Queen`s history. My god, we didn`t even have BoRap, We are the champions, Killer Queen, Somebody To Love and countless other songs!!!!!!
if they'll make a concert in my house i won't see it.
for chrissake,rog and brian are old and out of shape and paul "whos this guy" rodgers can't sing queen numbers.
i'd like to hear they'll call themself
rodgers taylor.....sorry,i am kidding.
agree with plant+page
they're DEFINETELY not queen
for chrissake,rog and brian are old and out of shape and paul "whos this guy" rodgers can't sing queen numbers.
i'd like to hear they'll call themself
rodgers taylor.....sorry,i am kidding.
agree with plant+page
they're DEFINETELY not queen
Why should John Deacon have a problem with the upcoming tour when he did not have a problem with the musical, the Pepsi commercial , the collaboration with 5ive etc etc. I have a feeling he is not half as fanatic about the "legend" and "heritage" of a band (which was only a band, for heaven's sake) as some fans. Why should anyone get a heart attack over the question how they name themselves? If the tour is good, it will be a success, otherwise it will be a failure, so why worry in advance?
YV, I don't think he should have a problem about it, I think he has to say his opinion about it. If he'd say "I'm so happy at my home and I wish luck to Brian and Roger on their tour, sorry but I can't be there" - there'll be no problem at all!
I just think Brian and Roger have to tell us what John thinks about it and why he's not involved in it, that's all. Is it too hard for them?
the same thing happened with pink floyd, roger water tried sueing but gilmore, mason and the others still got the name. I hope john plays rather then complain and sue
Lets be honest guys - there are no plans to release new material under the name Queen with any other singer or bassist - thats a place NO ONE will, or ever could go. Queen as a music writing/recording entity will never go beyond Brian/Roger for special occasions, nor will they ever release an album, as 2 irreplacable members are gone. In that sense Queen are gone. BUT:
As far as performing live - let em use the name - they are one half of Queen performing Queen songs with Paul Rogers - to me it seems sensible to call it Queen and Paul Rogers. Live performances are merely the fantastic oppurtunity for us real fans to see the performers we love playing the music we love - Freddie may be gone, but I for one will relish the chance to see Brian and Roger perform Queen songs, and though I will never say I saw the "true Queen" live, I'll have no problems with ultimately what is simply as has been said - "just a name".
Queen are, and forever will be, as a music making entity, the original four members - nothing will ever change that.
As far as performing live - let em use the name - they are one half of Queen performing Queen songs with Paul Rogers - to me it seems sensible to call it Queen and Paul Rogers. Live performances are merely the fantastic oppurtunity for us real fans to see the performers we love playing the music we love - Freddie may be gone, but I for one will relish the chance to see Brian and Roger perform Queen songs, and though I will never say I saw the "true Queen" live, I'll have no problems with ultimately what is simply as has been said - "just a name".
Queen are, and forever will be, as a music making entity, the original four members - nothing will ever change that.
Hopefully that means it'll be a rock show with lots of guitar, no material from Hot Space on, and most importantly, no chick singers. That's the sign a band has lost it. .
I can say only one thing- "FINALLY!!!"
I want ROCK GIG!!! I want songs like SSC or White Man. If they don't play AKOM- i won't cry...
I'm sure there's a part of John who misses the buzz of recording and touring but too much water has gone unfer the bridge for him to return now, would be great though. I'm sure the increased royalties will help him though and ease the pain ha ha!
As for Pink Floyd they established a post 1987 company to deal with their new recordings to avoid Waters having any control/rows over copyright.
I assume that Deacon remains a director of Queen Productions as a directorship is for life (?). I further assume that Mary Austin inherited Freddie's share of the company and this is controlled on her behalf by Beach. I would suggest that Johns permission is all that is required for Taylor and May to use the name.
As for Pink Floyd they established a post 1987 company to deal with their new recordings to avoid Waters having any control/rows over copyright.
I assume that Deacon remains a director of Queen Productions as a directorship is for life (?). I further assume that Mary Austin inherited Freddie's share of the company and this is controlled on her behalf by Beach. I would suggest that Johns permission is all that is required for Taylor and May to use the name.
I doubt John will complain or sue. I'm sure he is fine with whatever Brian and Roger do. If they sound horrible and make asses of themselves, he's not up there with them making an ass of himself. If they make millions off the tour or new material, he'll collect his part of the money.
Nothing can go wrong for John this way. Smart guy...but for the record, I DO wish he'd come out of retirement and play. I don't blame him though for not.
Wasn't John Queen's accountant for a bit in the early days? I thought I heard that somewhere. I'm probably wrong though.
Nothing can go wrong for John this way. Smart guy...but for the record, I DO wish he'd come out of retirement and play. I don't blame him though for not.
Wasn't John Queen's accountant for a bit in the early days? I thought I heard that somewhere. I'm probably wrong though.