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Tero wrote:

I don't think either of them would have been succesful individually. Smile was a dead-end because none of the three members had a real singing talent, and Freddie needed a better backing band.

The difference between us of course being that I don't see Brian and Roger as a "backing band", but as an integral part of the band (just like Freddie). No-one could really know back then that Freddie would be the great rock vocalist he would become. He had the image, but not yet the fully fledged voice. I think Brian and Roger thought of their union as a little bit more risky than Freddie did.

I would agree with something I've read... That drums and bass are working as istruments if you DON'T pay attention to them. They're forming a base obviously, but they aren't really meant to be listened. :/

In some way I can see what you mean, but that doesn't mean they can't be listened to. And even if you think of them as "only" the foundation (which they are), a foundation can be built in many, unique ways. If you swap Roger with some other drummer, it won't be the same (the same goes for John, of course).

Brian's guitar work is fine if it's limited to less than ten seconds at a time. Then again, I don't really like any guitar solos.

Ten seconds? Hmm... I don't see how you can be a Queen fan, and not like Brian's solos. But maybe you are not; you might be a Freddie fan, which is a different thing. I'm beginning to suspect that... :)

And, besides, Brian's guitar playing isn't just about solos, it's about everything else he does, as well.

But, to give this another angle, Freddie's piano playing was also a huge part of Queen's sound, which is often overlooked. Both Freddie and Brian were fine pianists, but their playing styles are very different from eachother... But, let me guess, you haven't noticed that! :P

Kovaa väittelyä finskijen kesken :D

Nii, puhukaa suomea niin on helpompi argumentoida :)

Ja joku teistä fingelskoista vois huomenna selvittää paljonko niiitä lippuja on myyty glubenille..

Ei taida olla kovin hyvin kaupaksi mennyt, mutta joku todellakin saa ottaa selvää, sillä omat ruotsin kielen taitoni on sen verran olemattomat, että on edes turha yrittää...

BlueRock wrote:

Ei taida olla kovin hyvin kaupaksi mennyt, mutta joku todellakin saa ottaa selvää, sillä omat ruotsin kielen taitoni on sen verran olemattomat, että on edes turha yrittää...

Siellä palvellaan kyllä englannikskin..

http://www.kissojenkatastrofiyhdistys.ne t/kky/kissaporssi.html

Ajattelin vielä semmosta kysyä, että mitenkäs sä kopiot mun tekstin omaan viestiin?
Niin juu, täytyy sitten soittaa kuitenkin, jos englanniksi palvellaan...

BlueRock wrote:

Ajattelin vielä semmosta kysyä, että mitenkäs sä kopiot mun tekstin omaan viestiin?
Niin juu, täytyy sitten soittaa kuitenkin, jos englanniksi palvellaan...

Klikkaa tota " symbolia tos otsikkorivin päällä..
Soita aamulal sinen ja postaa heti infoo tänne..

Sicmot wrote:

BlueRock wrote:

Ajattelin vielä semmosta kysyä, että mitenkäs sä kopiot mun tekstin omaan viestiin?
Niin juu, täytyy sitten soittaa kuitenkin, jos englanniksi palvellaan...

Klikkaa tota " symbolia tos otsikkorivin päällä..
Soita aamulal sinen ja postaa heti infoo tänne..

Alright, ellen nuku pommiin.... :P

Danne wrote:

The difference between us of course being that I don't see Brian and Roger as a "backing band", but as an integral part of the band (just like Freddie). No-one could really know back then that Freddie would be the great rock vocalist he would become. He had the image, but not yet the fully fledged voice. I think Brian and Roger thought of their union as a little bit more risky than Freddie did.

I hope you noticed that the "backing band" was only a sweeping generalisation designed to provoke you? :P
I can't imagine why Brog would have thought of getting a new singer as risky, as the previous one wasn't obviously gonna work. I've heard better singers in most school bands!

Danne wrote:

In some way I can see what you mean, but that doesn't mean they can't be listened to. And even if you think of them as "only" the foundation (which they are), a foundation can be built in many, unique ways. If you swap Roger with some other drummer, it won't be the same (the same goes for John, of course).

To some people it makes very little difference who's on the base... I dug out my 46664 DVD and listened to Toss The Feathers. I tried to concentrate on the drums, and I've heard the song before a few hundred times (I've even heard in live twice)... But I couldn't even tell if it has two drummers!

Danne wrote:

Ten seconds? Hmm... I don't see how you can be a Queen fan, and not like Brian's solos. But maybe you are not; you might be a Freddie fan, which is a different thing. I'm beginning to suspect that... :)

And, besides, Brian's guitar playing isn't just about solos, it's about everything else he does, as well.

But, to give this another angle, Freddie's piano playing was also a huge part of Queen's sound, which is often overlooked. Both Freddie and Brian were fine pianists, but their playing styles are very different from eachother... But, let me guess, you haven't noticed that! :P

Next you'll probably tell me that I can't be a Queen fan unless I think Roger is sexy? :P

You're right, I can't tell the difference between Brian or Freddie playing the piano. How could I? I don't play the piano myself, so I don't know how it's supposed to sound. But as long as it sounds like a piano, it's fine for me...

Back in 1998 I would have been happy to travel to Stockholm to see the Brian May band if I only had had the money. I think since then I've developed some issues towards him as an artist because of the way he's been dragging the Queen name through all kinds of crap. :/

Sicmot wrote:

Nii, puhukaa suomea niin on helpompi argumentoida :)

Ja joku teistä fingelskoista vois huomenna selvittää paljonko niiitä lippuja on myyty glubenille..

Entäs jossei keskustelun molemmat osapuolet olekaan suomalaisia? :P

Onkos sillä kauheasti väliä, kun Ticnet kuitenkin vielä myy sekö seisomapaikkoja, että yksittäisiä istuimia alakatsomoihin... Jä yläkatsomoista löytyy kyllä tilaa vaikka kymmenenkin hengen ryhmille. :O

It is EMA Telstar who is the promoter.

It's a very poor advertising by them.

On my ticket it stands "EMA Telstar Proudly Presents..."

Tero wrote:

I hope you noticed that the "backing band" was only a sweeping generalisation designed to provoke you? :P

Of course. That's why we're here!

To some people it makes very little difference who's on the base...

To some maybe, but, first of all, not to the band. Queen wouldn't have been as big without, say, Brian's guitar playing, even if you can't spot the difference between him and Eric Clapton.

I dug out my 46664 DVD and listened to Toss The Feathers. I tried to concentrate on the drums, and I've heard the song before a few hundred times (I've even heard in live twice)... But I couldn't even tell if it has two drummers!

I really find that odd. Surely you must hear, if you really concentrate, the two different hihat sounds, panned differently. Miss Corr's tight and somewhat stiff panned on the left (if I remember correctly) and Roger's rockier and sloppier (!) on the right. And during the drum solo there's no mistaking the two of them.

Next you'll probably tell me that I can't be a Queen fan unless I think Roger is sexy? :P

No, I won't, because that has nothing to do with the music! :) But if all you're interested in (and can hear) regarding Queen is Freddie's voice, then I still would say that you're more of a Freddie fan than a Queen fan, not that there's anything wrong with that, of course!

You're right, I can't tell the difference between Brian or Freddie playing the piano. How could I? I don't play the piano myself, so I don't know how it's supposed to sound. But as long as it sounds like a piano, it's fine for me...

But to say that is almost like saying: "as long as it sounds like a voice, it's fine for me"! To hear a good example of Brian's and Freddie's piano playing, listen to 'Save Me' on the "We Will Rock You" video/DVD, where Brian starts off, and Freddie takes over.

Danne wrote:

To some maybe, but, first of all, not to the band. Queen wouldn't have been as big without, say, Brian's guitar playing, even if you can't spot the difference between him and Eric Clapton.

I think that the quality of compositions has more to do with the popularity than the sound of the guitarist. Of course it would be almost imposible to to picture what it would sound like with somebody else...

I really find that odd. Surely you must hear, if you really concentrate, the two different hihat sounds, panned differently. Miss Corr's tight and somewhat stiff panned on the left (if I remember correctly) and Roger's rockier and sloppier (!) on the right. And during the drum solo there's no mistaking the two of them.

That's actually Mrs. Corr. :P
I honestly thought I would be able to at least figure out that there were two drummers playing, since I have heard the "solo" version of the song numerous times, but I just couldn't be sure. Even during the break (or solo) Roger sounds like an echo instead of a second drummer... :/

But if all you're interested in (and can hear) regarding Queen is Freddie's voice, then I still would say that you're more of a Freddie fan than a Queen fan, not that there's anything wrong with that, of course!

But to say that is almost like saying: "as long as it sounds like a voice, it's fine for me"! To hear a good example of Brian's and Freddie's piano playing, listen to 'Save Me' on the "We Will Rock You" video/DVD, where Brian starts off, and Freddie takes over.

Freddie's not the ONLY part of Queen I'm interested in, but it is certainly the one that stands out most clearly.

I did listen to Save Me, and I can't tell the difference between who's playing. But to say that it's equal to "a voice is a voice" is ridiculous. A better comparison of different singing voices would be different keayboards. In that case Freddie's voice would be the grand piano, and e.g. Brian May would sound like a 20€ "synthesiser".
They both have the same layout, same technique of playing, and the same notes... Yet the end result of the sound is completely different.

Tero wrote:

I think that the quality of compositions has more to do with the popularity than the sound of the guitarist. Of course it would be almost imposible to to picture what it would sound like with somebody else...

I agree that the songs is a bigger reason, than the guitarist. But I didn't say otherwise... Besides, I don't think the songs would have been the same with another guitarist...

I did listen to Save Me, and I can't tell the difference between who's playing.

I meant the live version, where both of the play the piano. Surely you can see the difference, and then be able to hear the difference?

But to say that it's equal to "a voice is a voice" is ridiculous.

No, it isn't. Try telling that to, let's say, a professional piano player. He/she would tell you that who the player is matters much more than on which instrument he/she's playing. In your perception there might be no difference, but that doesn't mean there aren't one. If people can tell who's conducting an orchestra just by listening to a recording, surely there's nothing absurd in stating that different instrumentalists leads to totally different results.

It all has to do with how much time and effort you put into hearing the music, instead of simply listening to it (or maybe the other way around). And differences between voices aren't the easiest to hear for everybody, as it is for you. I know people, who probably could tell Freddie Mercury's piano playing from Brian May's, but who confuses John Lennon's singing with Paul McCartney, something which I find absurd. :)

A better comparison of different singing voices would be different keayboards.

No, that might do as an analogy for your vocal cords, and not much more. But it's what you do with them that defines the voice, as it is what you do with you piano, which defines the sound of it.

And I happen to be a singing teacher... :P

Danne wrote:

I meant the live version, where both of the play the piano. Surely you can see the difference, and then be able to hear the difference?

No, it isn't. Try telling that to, let's say, a professional piano player. He/she would tell you that who the player is matters much more than on which instrument he/she's playing. In your perception there might be no difference, but that doesn't mean there aren't one. If people can tell who's conducting an orchestra just by listening to a recording, surely there's nothing absurd in stating that different instrumentalists leads to totally different results.

Yes, I listened to the live version. Without the picture there's no way for me to say who's playing the piano... Obviously it's a lot easier for somebody who plays the piano himself, or is a professional musician anyway! It's simply out of my league to make that distinction.

Some people can recognise music by reading the grooves off of albums... Does that mean that everybody should be able to do the same? :P

It all has to do with how much time and effort you put into hearing the music, instead of simply listening to it (or maybe the other way around). And differences between voices aren't the easiest to hear for everybody, as it is for you. I know people, who probably could tell Freddie Mercury's piano playing from Brian May's, but who confuses John Lennon's singing with Paul McCartney, something which I find absurd. :)

So that's the problem. I've actully been listening to music all these years instead of hearing it. :P
I think this is something along the lines I said earlier... That I don't listen to any individual instruments in songs, but rather the complete picture. I've found that to be more enjoyable than trying to pick them apart. :/

No, that might do as an analogy for your vocal cords, and not much more. But it's what you do with them that defines the voice, as it is what you do with you piano, which defines the sound of it.

And I happen to be a singing teacher... :P

I think that's an oversimplification of the differences between singing voices... Or maybe I'm oversimplifying with this next one. :P

But if you take just one note of standard length, and ask people to play it on the piano and sing it, you will get much more variance with the singing voice.
The differences in the sound of that ONE note is what I perceive to be the differences between
a) different singers and
b) different keyboard instruments
and after that you can start to variate that one note with different techniques and styles. :/

But that's just my view, and I'm certainly not an expert in any way!