Bootlegging the 2005 gigs or am i being ridiculous?

Gosh...once I used to take a camera look like a kinda cheesburger. I used some paper and things for the package and I menaged to enter a Robert Plant concert like this!

Do you really think i won't be able to enter like that?

What if i take the camera and they say me I can't? can i put it somewhere else and enter?

But..where???

The only way queen productions can stop the bootlegging is by doing the same thing Pearl Jam, bjork, metallica and many other bands do: Release it!

Perfect would be:

*Record the shows in excellent soundboard quality
*Put them on their download website in lossless format (FLAC)
*Make them available for download (at a normal price: €5 for a concert)

Of course this will NOT happen...

Taping the show is the answer! There are great new minidisc portables out there... also fantastic battery packs and quite good little stereo omnidirectional microphones... taping a show in an exclellent- quality isn't that impossible.

Brian May loves bootlegs and hates copy control. I don't think queen productions will be that stupid to make taping impossible.

There is nothing wrong with taping or sharing stuff with the FANS. SELLING bootlegs on the otherhand is WRONG! Tapers are doing it for their love of the music. Bootleggers who sell concerts are ripping fans off.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mcm wrote: [/QUOTENAME]In the good old days of course, there would probably only be one or two audio bootlegs per show plus maybe, the occasional shaky video. In 2005, we've nearly all got cell-phones that do everything including taking full video. I'll be using a sony ericsson s700i which can record 18 minute chunks of 176*120 video with sound at a cost of 10mb space. I reckon at this rate, allowing for the memory card, i'll have the capacity to record just about two hours of footage - providing the battery lasts out.

Is anyone else gonna be doing anything similar?

It'd be great if everyone shared their footage and perhaps one of the technical genius's on this board could put them all together for our very own 'fans perspective' multi-cam dvd.

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just fyi 176x120 video is definetly not DVD quality or would look good being transferred to DVD, considering DVD rez is 720x480

I film for a video website and from experience even in the US (where I assuem in some markets they would play smaller venues)Bootlegging would be impossibly hard. Say Queen were to play a 1000 seating theater in the most random place in the US (such as say...Denver, Colorado). Any venue over 1000 people in a small Queen market such as denver will stop you at the door with cam/audio equipment unless you have a pass from the band. You might get away with a well hidden audio recorder, but I wouldnt; take the risk of losing a spot in line to have to go back and put it in my car, casue they venues will not hold them for you.

That's bad news...and what about if I just shoot pics? I can't take also my camera right?

Hey, if people got away with taping the 3rd Harry Potter movie even with all the added security, or in an older case, the Freddie Mercury 2001 gig with BM/RT, I'm sure people will find a way.

"Where there's a will, there's a way"

VGB - you make perfectly sensible and reasonable points on this subject but i really can't see the venues being able to refuse entry to people carrying cell phones. It's a health and safety issue. For most people, a phone is like a lifeline especially for young people in a concert situation where you're potentially miles from home. I'll be discreet with it upon entering but for the UK gigs anyway, I'll create merry hell if they try to prevent me from bringing it into the venue.

I know 176*144(as i have just discovered it to be) is really dreadful quality, but i suppose it's better than nothing. Ducksoup is absolutely correct above - it's a fans thing and not a commercial enterprise.

"The answer is to have your "equipment" next to your "equipment", get searched by a female, and tell her when her lights go off that you have some intimate piercings..."

Well, first of all, in Sazka Arena females are being searched by females and males by males. Secondly, they also have these small handy metal detectors which (I think) allow them to make a really thorough search - I mean they can for sure find out if it's a small piercing or a big minidisc recorder.

I find all the security checks in Prague very odd; in Italy, as law, you can't get so deeply checked, it's something against privacy I guess and I agree.
Let's say the truth: bootleging is something against the law and this is for sure. But I don't feel guilty at all because I don't sell my recordings nor I get profit from them; I'm a super fanatic and I just want a souvenir of the shows I've been.
They should use the security staff and hire some more people to stop the sharks who just get profit from the recordings, charging real fans very high prices!!!
Stop all the bad people who are selling hundreds tickets on ebay for fool prices!
Stop all the people who sells video and audio recordings on ebay and internet forums or stalls!
Leave the loyal fans alone and let them to get their due recording of the show, for Queen's sake!!

Thanks Luca, for partly answering my question! I now know what to do ;-)))

Queen probably wouldn't mind the gis being bootlegged, seeing as they release them now on the Official site and make money from them. And that is for bad quailty recordings.

I am sure that if they have got any sense they will be doing a full Video & sound recording of one of the shows on the tour anyway. If they aren't then it would encourage bootlegging more.

most musicians want to have 100% perfect stuff released,and most live recordings have a lot of mistakes,even if we wouldn´t recognize them. thats why a lot of official live recordings have overdubs and a reason why musicians don´t want to have bootlegs or even soundboards released.

i think the reason why halls have metal detectors is that they search for weapons and that is good.the directors of the halls probably don´t have a problem if the show is recorded or not.sadfully the security guys at the doors are not very intelligent and low paid.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mcm wrote: [/QUOTENAME]VGB - you make perfectly sensible and reasonable points on this subject but i really can't see the venues being able to refuse entry to people carrying cell phones. It's a health and safety issue. For most people, a phone is like a lifeline especially for young people in a concert situation where you're potentially miles from home. I'll be discreet with it upon entering but for the UK gigs anyway, I'll create merry hell if they try to prevent me from bringing it into the venue.
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well I never said anything about cell phones, most venues in the US (at least the ones I've been to) haven't started cracking down on cell phones yet...I dunno why they would the quality on those is really crappy anyways.

"i think the reason why halls have metal detectors is that they search for weapons and that is good"

This is not America :-) We don't own any weapons at all, we're a very peaceful nation :-)

Btw. cell phones are allowed.

I think I'll buy disposable cameras, so if Security stops me I won't complain when I'll throw them up....

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME
This is not America :-) We don't own any weapons at all, we're a very peaceful nation :-)

Btw. cell phones are allowed.[/QUOTE]

.....apart from the knife-wielding, drug-selling maniacs at the top of Wenceslas Square. Still, we have our share of violence in England too. Not shooting or anything but Reading town centre on a Friday night is usually full of drunks who want to fight you.

As far as metal-detectors are concerned, i think that they are mainly there to stop idiots like that bloke who shot the guitarist that Brian was talking about on his website. If the bottom line is safety, I'd happily give up my bootlegging antics for the safety of all at the gig.