Legal downloads CD-R tree/swap?

...A little bit more seriously:

Inu Yasha<h6>a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper wrote:

Here in Canada, we have a service called PureTracks, which is pretty much almost the same as 7Digital or iTunes.

Do you mean the music service or the escort/dating service? (See the following thread:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=510866 )

Here in Canada, it is legal to share the CD's which have been burnt with these such songs, as long as the rules regarding burning is followed, with other people. I have gotten music on CD-R legally this way from my above-mentioned aide.

...I'm really not that sure about the legal status of your CD-Rs. Obviously, it all depends on the purchased licenses. In the case of the QUEEN downloads, they have PERSONAL licenses and all of their rights are bound to the individuals who bought them. The same goes for iTunes and most music download services.

I'm sure that these laws are the same in Euro countries, otherwise 7Digital would not be allowed to let people burn more than 1 CD-R per license.

Your logic is bad here! In fact, there are good reasons to let the people burn the tracks to CD more than once. Remember that in most countries it is legal to copy your entire CD collection for backup reasons. In others, it is legal to have a DVD-R copy of a VHS you already have. The point is that when you buy music, you buy the right to access to it more than the media it is on. The same goes for the downloads.

Also, another thing is that with 7Digital, you can have the same download on up to 3 unique computers. I gave the person who helped me buy this a copy of the song from the download page, so he too owns a legal copy (but I later learnt that I had to put in my account e-mail and password in the Obtaining License box in Windows Media Player to get the license, and the person doesn't have this info, so tomorrow I will have to give him that).

Oh, my. If you have to put YOUR e-mail, that is because the license is PERSONAL. Read my comment above.

Does what I say make sense?

No, it does not.

proton wrote:

Not retarded at all!!!
A German LAWYER has searched and found out that giving free copies to your family or best friends is perfectly LEGAL!!! I saw him telling this on TV, so it's not some vague article in a newspaper.
Selling them is ofcourse not :-)

There might be a legal hole on the German copyright acts, but I am pretty sure that is not the case on most countries (here in Argentina, LENDING your CDs is forbidden!). Ah, and just in case, do not believe in all you see on TV.

proton wrote:

according to millions of people with cd/dvd writers.... uhhh....yeah? :-)

I meant the risk to this site!

aha :-) well, it's better to have personal email contact to do these sort of things. There will always be fans who don't agree with such actions. And you never know whoelse is watching :-)
But the ones who have the highest risks are people with a dedicated website to sell bootlegs and maybe legal stuff. Specially if you got your website on a host in your own country :-)

Surely, if you convert the tracks from the first burn into a different format, you can then save the track in the new format and burn as many copies as you like?

Wilki wrote:

proton wrote:

Not retarded at all!!!
A German LAWYER has searched and found out that giving free copies to your family or best friends is perfectly LEGAL!!! I saw him telling this on TV, so it's not some vague article in a newspaper.
Selling them is ofcourse not :-)

There might be a legal hole on the German copyright acts, but I am pretty sure that is not the case on most countries (here in Argentina, LENDING your CDs is forbidden!). Ah, and just in case, do not believe in all you see on TV.

In The Netherlands it is totally legal to give a friend a bootleg/pirate cd whatever. Selling them is illegal. Swapping or giving it as a present is not illegal at all. I think that's how the situation is every where else in Europe as well.

I think the point is... advertising all of this on Queenzone is not the right thing to do.

This is economically stupid anyway.

Buy the time I buy, burn and post out nine other CD's, I would be cheaper buying another download!

C`mon... it´s eiteher "them" or "us" sleeping under a bridge... by the time the tour is finished! :-))

Difficult questions...
First, I don't understand why many people here refuse to share official material and at the same time have no problem with illegally recording and distributing concerts which are also officially recorded and later officially available.
Second, of course if you own something, you may give it away as a present. In this case, either you keep all ten versions for yourself, or give all ten exemplars away as a present. The downloaded data are to be used by 1 person, not more.
It's like "All You Can Eat" in a restaurant - you are the one who pays and may eat as much as you like, but you are not allowed to take a friend and give him half of the food.

Actually, Hank, the data here can be downloaded by a max. of 3 people (or PC's). After that, the license cannot be used by other people once all 3 are issued to the 3 different/unique PC's in question.

And I was talking to some people at school today about this. They themselves aren't sure either whether these legal download copies can be distributed among other people within the limited number of legal burns.

I also talked to my aide, and he suggested two things:

1) PureTracks (the digital download service, btw., for the person who asked - although I know you were referring to 7Digital) perhaps offers only 3 downloads so that the person who owns the unique license can make copies as follows: a master copy, a play copy, and a back-up copy (in case the first two ever get damaged).

2) 7Digital may offer 10 burns because they want more people's business, instead of people going for the (in terms of currency, since British pounds and pences are extremely expensive to other countries) cheaper services that offer virtually the same prices by number (eg. $0.99 CDN, $0.99 US, etc.).

And while me and my aide were talking, he did point out that in Canada, it is perfectly legal to make a PERSONAL back-up copy of digital media, as long as you own the original media that you backed up.

And it MIGHT be legal to give out CD's as well that you had the license(s) to make/burn, as long as you do it for free. When you make a profit, THEN it becomes illegal, and that's what complicates things.



But then again, if everyone here agrees that this thing is not something to discuss, then I'll abide by the agreement. I'm not trying to pull another Teo Torriatte here, as that was a slightly different situation (on a bigger scale) - but then, I possibly might be wrong on that too. Who knows?

Anyways, I think this matter is over. I'll decide privately from here on what to do with my downloads.

It's simple... play the songs over Windows Media Player and set your soundcard to record "what you hear" or a stereo mix and record that into a recorder like Cool Edit Pro. Then save that as mp3 and you can do what you want with it.....

Khizzy wrote:

It's simple... play the songs over Windows Media Player and set your soundcard to record "what you hear" or a stereo mix and record that into a recorder like Cool Edit Pro. Then save that as mp3 and you can do what you want with it.....

No need to. Like I mentioned earlier (if I did), I could easily burn the track to CD-R, and then rip it from the CD-R back to the PC as a WAVE/FLAC/MP3 file, whatever pleases me.
I might have to do that anyways when I get a new PC (IF I do) later this year or next year, so it's not a bad idea, as long as I keep the file(s) only to myself. :P

Inu Yasha<h6>a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper wrote:

Actually, Hank, the data here can be downloaded by a max. of 3 people (or PC's). After that, the license cannot be used by other people once all 3 are issued to the 3 different/unique PC's in question.

3 PCs: Right
3 people: WRONG!
The license is PERSONAL. Do you know what PERSONAL means? The restaurant analogy is a very good way to put it.

...And it is still illegal to give away the CD-Rs with downloaded material, as you have not bought a license which gives you the right to do so. Bear in mind that it is illegal to broadcast a song in the radio without the proper license.

Inu Yasha<h6>a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper wrote:

Khizzy wrote:

It's simple... play the songs over Windows Media Player and set your soundcard to record "what you hear" or a stereo mix and record that into a recorder like Cool Edit Pro. Then save that as mp3 and you can do what you want with it.....

No need to. Like I mentioned earlier (if I did), I could easily burn the track to CD-R, and then rip it from the CD-R back to the PC as a WAVE/FLAC/MP3 file, whatever pleases me.
I might have to do that anyways when I get a new PC (IF I do) later this year or next year, so it's not a bad idea, as long as I keep the file(s) only to myself. :P

There is a better way. High Criteria's Total Recorder makes perfect bit-to-bit digital copies.