So I am not completely stupid... good to know.
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i think it was before FBG, or?
I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc.
No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence.
I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken.
I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame.
That's so german! To sue everybody's ass off. I mean, you're not allowed to bring in camera's and recorders and if you do so you must feel the consequences. It's as simple as that! Imagine if they have to stock 15.000 camera's when everybody brings one to the concert. It's impossible. Those security guys are doing their job, nothing more, nothing less....
I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc.
No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence.
I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken.
I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame.
That's so german! To sue everybody's ass off. I mean, you're not allowed to bring in camera's and recorders and if you do so you must feel the consequences. It's as simple as that! Imagine if they have to stock 15.000 camera's when everybody brings one to the concert. It's impossible. Those security guys are doing their job, nothing more, nothing less....
Actually, sueing everybody's ass off is quite the American style and not the German. We tend to have silly leaders but we are no great in sueing.
I am shocked, Jeroen. Of course, that's not right - it's totally illegal. In Frankfurt and Munich it was not even written on the tickets that it's forbidden to bring any cameras and recording equipment. They did take my digicam in Frankfurt and in Munich but they were friendly and assured that they are insured etc.
No way can they destroy your tape, take away batteries, memory sticks or other parts of your equipment and not give it back, that's definitely against the law. You have every right to complain to the promoter and ask for a refund. By no means can they send you out of the venue unless you are drunk, rioting, disturbing the peace or a danger for the security of other people. Of course, they cannot touch you, push, hit or use any other form of violence, that's a criminal offence.
I heard of other people who were caught filming and they only were told to stop, no tapes or cameras were taken.
I am ashamed that this happened to you in my country. I will definitely write an email to the promoter and tell them what I think about their security. I am sure they only dared to behave like this because they noticed you are from another country and not familiar with German law - what a shame.
That's so german! To sue everybody's ass off. I mean, you're not allowed to bring in camera's and recorders and if you do so you must feel the consequences. It's as simple as that! Imagine if they have to stock 15.000 camera's when everybody brings one to the concert. It's impossible. Those security guys are doing their job, nothing more, nothing less....
Actually, sueing everybody's ass off is quite the American style and not the German. We tend to have silly leaders but we are no great in sueing.
Well, my experiences with German guests is that they take their holidaycatalog with them on holiday and they check what's in the hotel and what's not. That's so typical German, no other nationality does that 'cept the German. And I see simularities what's happening here...
They're so much looking for rules and strictness..
THAT might be true... looking for rules. THat's why you see so many old people looking out of their windows and reporting everything to the police... But sadly, you get fucked a lot in this country if you don't take care. Therefore, It is wise to fight for your right...
keep cool guys...the headline is "Dortmund review / setlist?"...peace please friends
Actually in Munich the security at the entrance checked me and wanted to know what I have in my jacket. I said it's just a camera (even showed it), and they let me pass. I was also taking photos close to a security man, which was no problem neither.
People who smoked got problems, though.
People who smoked got problems, though.
hey teleport...can you please contact me... someone is interested in your pictures...
[email protected]
[email protected]
Put those english/german clichees in another thread please - don't wanna start to tell my experiences with British people goin on holiday ;-)~
Okay, we are back from Dortmund, and reading this gave me a big smile..
Jeroen, too much (almost)Queen might give you indeed disappointments now and
then.
I have seen a nice show, yes, I have seen better, the sound was realy bad,that's
true.
I have seen better concerts, because I saw Queen alive and that's a fact as well.
I have seen better security, because when we walked in my girls' handbag was
checked, I am not sure that the security even found out the color of it. Maybe
you wear a t shirt with "schlag mich" on it? :)
And of course you should right away complain when something like that happens
without any reason, as in any civilized country that is not allowed. Security has
not the same rights as police and as well no one never has the right to violate
other peoples' possessions. I dont know for all countries, but for sure in Germany and in Holland that is not allowed.
Paul Rodgers did what he can, snd so did Roger, Brian and not to forget Danny, Jamie and Spike (very much at the background).
Paul Rodger sang his own songs with the spirit, he knew what he sang. Brian and Roger did so in the Queen songs, and well, the audience was never silence, clapping and cheering all the time. In the old days (yes, we are of that slightly getting grey generaion that can talk about how it realy was then!) it was (hard) rock, now a family meeting like Brian said (hilarious, he excuesed for having used the F word (we gonna fucking rock you *or something like that*), with his comment he noticed the people on it more then if he simply had pretended it had not happened.
At Rogers' singing the audience around us sang so loud that we could not hear Roger proberly anymore.
We had a wonderful time, it was great that we went and tho we wanted it all, we got what they could give and that was a hell of a lot!
H@ns@bine
(a full report follows at the usual places, later)
Jeroen, too much (almost)Queen might give you indeed disappointments now and
then.
I have seen a nice show, yes, I have seen better, the sound was realy bad,that's
true.
I have seen better concerts, because I saw Queen alive and that's a fact as well.
I have seen better security, because when we walked in my girls' handbag was
checked, I am not sure that the security even found out the color of it. Maybe
you wear a t shirt with "schlag mich" on it? :)
And of course you should right away complain when something like that happens
without any reason, as in any civilized country that is not allowed. Security has
not the same rights as police and as well no one never has the right to violate
other peoples' possessions. I dont know for all countries, but for sure in Germany and in Holland that is not allowed.
Paul Rodgers did what he can, snd so did Roger, Brian and not to forget Danny, Jamie and Spike (very much at the background).
Paul Rodger sang his own songs with the spirit, he knew what he sang. Brian and Roger did so in the Queen songs, and well, the audience was never silence, clapping and cheering all the time. In the old days (yes, we are of that slightly getting grey generaion that can talk about how it realy was then!) it was (hard) rock, now a family meeting like Brian said (hilarious, he excuesed for having used the F word (we gonna fucking rock you *or something like that*), with his comment he noticed the people on it more then if he simply had pretended it had not happened.
At Rogers' singing the audience around us sang so loud that we could not hear Roger proberly anymore.
We had a wonderful time, it was great that we went and tho we wanted it all, we got what they could give and that was a hell of a lot!
H@ns@bine
(a full report follows at the usual places, later)
I received a reply from bb promotion in response to my complaint about the security in Dortmund. They generally apologise for any misconduct of their security personnell and promised to look into the matter. They want to get back to me. The email was signed with a full name, so it's at least someone taking responsibility.
In particular I complained about the attacks against you, Jeroen and I demanded at least a formal and official apology. Let's see what happens. Other German audience members have complained, too.
In particular I complained about the attacks against you, Jeroen and I demanded at least a formal and official apology. Let's see what happens. Other German audience members have complained, too.
Because of the quietness of the audience though, one could hear better what was realy going on musically. Normally that would be a plus. But now I discovered that they are using even more 'tape' in the show then I already knew or thought. For instance: it was now very obvious to hear that the big audience participation bits, the sing along-parts (example the chorusus of WWRY) have 'audience-sound and audience-vocals' already on tape coming from the stage speakers!
It could have been the mikes onstage picking up the crowd and blasting it back through the pa.
even if it was quiet were you were I bet it wasn't down the front so that could be an explanation for what you heard.
It could have been the mikes onstage picking up the crowd and blasting it back through the pa.
even if it was quiet were you were I bet it wasn't down the front so that could be an explanation for what you heard.
Woh, Barb! The work you did ;-)
I intended just to forget about it. But very typical that you heard more complaints about the security!
To all the German people: thanks for the compassion, but no need to appologise! I know this is not typical German behaviour ;-) I live very near to the border and I go to Germany very frequently (shopping, going out etc...). I LOVE Germans! Realy! I never knew, until I moved to where I live now, just how friendly and relaxed Germans actually are! When I go out in Germany everybody is so much more friendly as in Holland!
Oh, by the way: in Dortmund they were not agressive towards me, but towards my friend. They had seen him film and when we thought they were coming over to us, he gave the camera to me and I moved away for a couple of meters. It was him they dragged outside by the elbows. Untill, of course, I followed and handed them over the camera. The guy that destroyed the tape then, was not a German security guy by the way! He was an Englishman and 'with the tour'.
I could use an apology from the guy in Frankfurt, though!
Tsss... I read Brian's comment on the audience in Dortmund today. The part about him inviting the people on the floor realy made me frown. If only he knew!! Maybe I should write him an e-mail about it...
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To craggsa: No, what I heard was definately not the audience bouncing back through the speakers! I've got a musically trained hearing and I could clearly distinguish the 'familiar' voices!
Also: during God Save The Queen -and this CAN be heard at every show and also some bootlegs when one's got a good hearing- there was a massive crowd singing along through the speakers. Sure not so many people outside England know all the words to the English national anthem! ;-)
I intended just to forget about it. But very typical that you heard more complaints about the security!
To all the German people: thanks for the compassion, but no need to appologise! I know this is not typical German behaviour ;-) I live very near to the border and I go to Germany very frequently (shopping, going out etc...). I LOVE Germans! Realy! I never knew, until I moved to where I live now, just how friendly and relaxed Germans actually are! When I go out in Germany everybody is so much more friendly as in Holland!
Oh, by the way: in Dortmund they were not agressive towards me, but towards my friend. They had seen him film and when we thought they were coming over to us, he gave the camera to me and I moved away for a couple of meters. It was him they dragged outside by the elbows. Untill, of course, I followed and handed them over the camera. The guy that destroyed the tape then, was not a German security guy by the way! He was an Englishman and 'with the tour'.
I could use an apology from the guy in Frankfurt, though!
Tsss... I read Brian's comment on the audience in Dortmund today. The part about him inviting the people on the floor realy made me frown. If only he knew!! Maybe I should write him an e-mail about it...
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To craggsa: No, what I heard was definately not the audience bouncing back through the speakers! I've got a musically trained hearing and I could clearly distinguish the 'familiar' voices!
Also: during God Save The Queen -and this CAN be heard at every show and also some bootlegs when one's got a good hearing- there was a massive crowd singing along through the speakers. Sure not so many people outside England know all the words to the English national anthem! ;-)