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Can anyone also tell me - was the master for the 1984 Thames Recording from 1967 also included in Richard Thompson's 'Lot 153'- and was this therefore ALSO bought by Queen productions?
Thanks in advance, I'm simply wondering if Queen Productions (or related) bought this item.
Cheers,
Thanks in advance, I'm simply wondering if Queen Productions (or related) bought this item.
Cheers,
smileexpert: "...was the master for the 1984 Thames Recording from 1967 also included in Richard Thompson's 'Lot 153'..."
1984: Unreleased Thames Television Studio Demos, 31 March 1967
Recorded Friday 31st March 1967, Thames Television, Broom Lane Studios, Teddington.
Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 151 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996.
(*Tape speed problems due to end of spool wow on master reel).
Hold On I'm Coming - Sam & Dave
Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd No: 50 February 1967
NSU - Cream Fresh Cream 1966
How Can It Be - Birds (UK)
Step On Me (Take 1)
Step On Me (Take 2)
Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix No: 3 March 1967
Our Love Is Drifting - Paul Butterfield Paul Butterfield Blues Band
1965
Remember - Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced 1967
/Sweet Wine - Cream Fresh Cream 1966
Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey No: 22 February 1966
/Satisfaction - Rolling Stones No: 1 August 1965
*My Girl - Otis Reading No: 11 November 1965
1984: Unreleased Thames Television Studio Demos, 31 March 1967
Recorded Friday 31st March 1967, Thames Television, Broom Lane Studios, Teddington.
Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 151 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996.
(*Tape speed problems due to end of spool wow on master reel).
Hold On I'm Coming - Sam & Dave
Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd No: 50 February 1967
NSU - Cream Fresh Cream 1966
How Can It Be - Birds (UK)
Step On Me (Take 1)
Step On Me (Take 2)
Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix No: 3 March 1967
Our Love Is Drifting - Paul Butterfield Paul Butterfield Blues Band
1965
Remember - Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced 1967
/Sweet Wine - Cream Fresh Cream 1966
Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey No: 22 February 1966
/Satisfaction - Rolling Stones No: 1 August 1965
*My Girl - Otis Reading No: 11 November 1965
Recorded Friday 31st March 1967, Thames Television, Broom Lane Studios, Teddington
How different do those songs sound John? Have you heard them? you say
"Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 151 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996."
Does that mean you bought them? or are you reporting that Queen LTD bought them? If so, why is Queen LTD buying other artist music? or is some Queen Music mixed in the lot? what do these companines do with other artist music when they buy them in these so called auction lots? destory, save or send this back to whom ever made it?
Sorry so many question's, just something I'd like to know.
How different do those songs sound John? Have you heard them? you say
"Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 151 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996."
Does that mean you bought them? or are you reporting that Queen LTD bought them? If so, why is Queen LTD buying other artist music? or is some Queen Music mixed in the lot? what do these companines do with other artist music when they buy them in these so called auction lots? destory, save or send this back to whom ever made it?
Sorry so many question's, just something I'd like to know.
wstüssyb: "How different do those songs sound John... are you reporting that Queen LTD bought them... why is Queen LTD buying other artist music?"
There are no major variations from the original versions - they are cover versions after all. The only thing which would help these covers stand out from the crowd are Brian's unique red special guitar solos.
I did not purchase, I was reporting that Queen Productions bought the master reel. The reason that they were bought by QP was to keep the reel out of the public domain. They are after all, a record of the music of Brian May, and I guess he wants to keep all copyright controls over his material.
There are no major variations from the original versions - they are cover versions after all. The only thing which would help these covers stand out from the crowd are Brian's unique red special guitar solos.
I did not purchase, I was reporting that Queen Productions bought the master reel. The reason that they were bought by QP was to keep the reel out of the public domain. They are after all, a record of the music of Brian May, and I guess he wants to keep all copyright controls over his material.
Big John, this time I have to disagree with you (unless you have some additional information which I do not know, which might very well be the case). :-(
From the letter which Freddie wrote to his friend Celine Daley on 1969.10.26:
"[...]
The practice was really great. Richard collapsed half way through and I've really gone and lost my voice (no kidding). It hurts just to breathe. Hope I'm o.k. for this Friday 'cause I'm going to out-ponce everyone in sight (it shall be easy).
[...]
We've written a few new numbers [...] (1) Green 2) Without You (3) Blag-a-blues (4) Cancer on my Mind (originally called Priestess)
[...]"
Being that one a monster session from what we can call a new band, I believe that they must have rehearsed almost their entire repertory. And I guess they must have been recording and hearing and re-recording themselves a lot of that time.
Now from the same Record Collector #199 (and I know it is not the Bible, see below):
"[...]
The excellent quality recording survives on a 5'' spool, and runs for just over 10 minutes. As Freddie revealed in his letter, the session was an extended one. [...] Wreckage make several attempts at 'Green' before switching to another song, obviously a Freddie-composed number, which is difficult to identify (but could be "Blag-A-Blues") from its lyrics because the band were interrupted before they reached the chorus.
[...]"
Now my two cents ...from my own ears: The tape itself contains various takes (and that is a fact) of two distinctive themes. One is certainly Green as confirmed by its lyrics. The other might be a different part of Green (as you suggest), but it might also be another song. Firstly, the music is very different in rhythm and tonality (but that approach to ONE SONG still suits Freddie), but also the lyrics do seem completely unrelated.
Why Blag-A-Blues, then? Well, Richard Thompson himself suggested that option (he seemed to remember the chords of some WRECKAGE songs due to their strange progressions, but not their melodies).
...And there you have it! ;-)
From the letter which Freddie wrote to his friend Celine Daley on 1969.10.26:
"[...]
The practice was really great. Richard collapsed half way through and I've really gone and lost my voice (no kidding). It hurts just to breathe. Hope I'm o.k. for this Friday 'cause I'm going to out-ponce everyone in sight (it shall be easy).
[...]
We've written a few new numbers [...] (1) Green 2) Without You (3) Blag-a-blues (4) Cancer on my Mind (originally called Priestess)
[...]"
Being that one a monster session from what we can call a new band, I believe that they must have rehearsed almost their entire repertory. And I guess they must have been recording and hearing and re-recording themselves a lot of that time.
Now from the same Record Collector #199 (and I know it is not the Bible, see below):
"[...]
The excellent quality recording survives on a 5'' spool, and runs for just over 10 minutes. As Freddie revealed in his letter, the session was an extended one. [...] Wreckage make several attempts at 'Green' before switching to another song, obviously a Freddie-composed number, which is difficult to identify (but could be "Blag-A-Blues") from its lyrics because the band were interrupted before they reached the chorus.
[...]"
Now my two cents ...from my own ears: The tape itself contains various takes (and that is a fact) of two distinctive themes. One is certainly Green as confirmed by its lyrics. The other might be a different part of Green (as you suggest), but it might also be another song. Firstly, the music is very different in rhythm and tonality (but that approach to ONE SONG still suits Freddie), but also the lyrics do seem completely unrelated.
Why Blag-A-Blues, then? Well, Richard Thompson himself suggested that option (he seemed to remember the chords of some WRECKAGE songs due to their strange progressions, but not their melodies).
...And there you have it! ;-)
Wilki: "Being that one a monster session from what we can call a new band, I believe that they must have rehearsed almost their entire repertory. And I guess they must have been recording and hearing and re-recording themselves a lot of that time".
First - the tape only lasts 10 minutes in length.
It deals with one song "Green" which was meant to be split into three areas (a bit like "Bo Rhap"), but I accept may sound like three different songs.
I know this first of a number of reasons...
I was the one who discovered the tape, and according to Mike Bersin, "the track was too poncy to be considered real blues. Even then Freddie liked the Beatles idea of "A Day In The Life", and snapping two or three songs into one big opus".
I also wrote that "Record Collector" article, but, my features editor, Andy Davis decided to pencil in some of his own ideas. In his mind, (I guess) making it out to be two songs rather than one, made the tape more desirable, and thus a bit more exotic to write about. (Thus increasing magazine sales).
On the tape itself, there is an "instrumental" section which the band discuss as a "middle eight", demonstrating that it is indeed meant to be the same song.
In the book "Queen: The Early Years", the lyrics to the track are printed. I think the printed lyrics also match up with what is on the tape.
Finally, if you have access to the complete tape, you can actually edit the three parts to run in the correct order. After you have done that, you will see that there is a flow and logic in both lyrics and music.
Finally, although your letter may be correct, it pre-supposes that all the rehearsals were taped on one night. I personally do not think this to be the case - as all those involved with bands would testify.
I guess we are talking about the same thing, but your view is that the tape is made up from different songs, and me, I view the tape as different bits of the same song.
Perhaps I am an old romantic, but for me, I am with Mike Bersin, that is Freddie was much more than a standard blues singer, that he would (in Bersin's view) change key without reason, and pull songs into different tangental areas.
Now, it may well be that you are correct, and that each fragment represents a new track, however, I view "Green" as an early example of "Bo Rhap" style writing, and that for me is almost exciting as the music itself.
First - the tape only lasts 10 minutes in length.
It deals with one song "Green" which was meant to be split into three areas (a bit like "Bo Rhap"), but I accept may sound like three different songs.
I know this first of a number of reasons...
I was the one who discovered the tape, and according to Mike Bersin, "the track was too poncy to be considered real blues. Even then Freddie liked the Beatles idea of "A Day In The Life", and snapping two or three songs into one big opus".
I also wrote that "Record Collector" article, but, my features editor, Andy Davis decided to pencil in some of his own ideas. In his mind, (I guess) making it out to be two songs rather than one, made the tape more desirable, and thus a bit more exotic to write about. (Thus increasing magazine sales).
On the tape itself, there is an "instrumental" section which the band discuss as a "middle eight", demonstrating that it is indeed meant to be the same song.
In the book "Queen: The Early Years", the lyrics to the track are printed. I think the printed lyrics also match up with what is on the tape.
Finally, if you have access to the complete tape, you can actually edit the three parts to run in the correct order. After you have done that, you will see that there is a flow and logic in both lyrics and music.
Finally, although your letter may be correct, it pre-supposes that all the rehearsals were taped on one night. I personally do not think this to be the case - as all those involved with bands would testify.
I guess we are talking about the same thing, but your view is that the tape is made up from different songs, and me, I view the tape as different bits of the same song.
Perhaps I am an old romantic, but for me, I am with Mike Bersin, that is Freddie was much more than a standard blues singer, that he would (in Bersin's view) change key without reason, and pull songs into different tangental areas.
Now, it may well be that you are correct, and that each fragment represents a new track, however, I view "Green" as an early example of "Bo Rhap" style writing, and that for me is almost exciting as the music itself.
Does that mean you bought them?
John wrote (maybe still writes, I don't know) some articles for RC. I remember one of his articles about Bo Rhap releases in one of RC magazines (in 1993, as I remember). Good old RC...
i have copy of this tape i bought it for 500 quids
Wombat: "i have copy of this tape i bought it for 500 quids"
So how do you feel about this link?
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=531655
So how do you feel about this link?
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=531655
Let me get in my chair... I fell out because of all the laughing... HA... HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!
Sorry for you but hey... You'll get over it (don't know if I get over this lauging).
Pfff... Ghehehe...
Sorry for you but hey... You'll get over it (don't know if I get over this lauging).
Pfff... Ghehehe...
the link is broken, can you upload it somewhere else and post link please?
the link is broken, can you upload it somewhere else and post link please?
Link? This one?
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=531655
If you mean that one... It works perfect...
For the serious collector, you can now even buy the property where the recordings were made!
any chance to re-up that again ?
i seem to have missed it...
thanks a lot, dudes !!!!
i seem to have missed it...
thanks a lot, dudes !!!!