Ok guys... but now back to the topic!
This is what Brian had to say on his soapbox:
RETURN TO THE SUBJECT OF THE "PAVILION"
"Yes - I said I would return to the subject of the "Pavilion" at Wembley. If I had known what an utterly unsuitable building this was, I never would have played it. And I'm sure this goes for the rest of us too. I was disgusted that this had been offered as a suitable venue to musically entertain 12,000 people. In my opinion it is a disgrace, and everyone should know it. We will be looking into what can be done to make sure that nothing like this ever happens again where we are concerned. As for dealing with the complaints, I will be very interested to see what the Wembley people propose. This cannot be the first time this has happened. I feel angry and disappointed for all those who didn't get a decent view - which I think means just about anyone further back than the mixing desk. It was bitterly disappointing for us to find that all the effort we put in to make the show COME CLOSE to everyone in the audience were frustrated in this terrible tent. There have also been many complaints about the behaviour of the stewards, which I think reflects the policies of the venue. I think an inquiry is justified, into the whole thing. We, the band, and our production team, gave 150 per cent, but to those of you in the blue seats, only a small percentage can have reached you. This is miserable for you and for us.
How incredible that London, of all European major cities, has the WORST apology for a large music venue ... and no prospect of an improvement. What is the matter with us ? And this the City which is clamouring to host the Olympics? It's a joke. We couldn't host a Teddy Bears Tea Party.
And I would like to know who is paying for all this advertising I see all around London, calling for us to "Support the Bid" Why ??? Do I want the Olympics here ? Hell No. Did anyone ask us, fellow Londoners, if we wanted this ? I don't think so. Another arrogance of the Ken Livingstone regime. I say again ...WHO IS PAYING ?? How about instead, spending our money on buliding a a decent venue for Rock music ???
Cheers all
Bri"
IMHO he forgot to say... "Thanks all you idiots who spent your hard earned money to see us, it´s Livingstone´s fault, not our´s or our management´s fault!"
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Man, you're boring...
@Fenderek
Did you pay to see them... have you been there?
Did you pay to see them... have you been there?
Yes, I did, like 6 other shows.
And even though it was a crappy venue, I'm not going to cry over 50 pounds, mate. It's not that much. I'm sure you'd feel better going to Bingo Club or something, but I had my share of fun. Were you there? Do you know what you are talking about? Do you know how bad the sound REALLY was? Haw bad the view REALLY was? Maybe ppl are only exaggerating? How do you know, if you're so against...? And if you weren't there??? Aren't you talkking about something you have no idea about?
And even though it was a crappy venue, I'm not going to cry over 50 pounds, mate. It's not that much. I'm sure you'd feel better going to Bingo Club or something, but I had my share of fun. Were you there? Do you know what you are talking about? Do you know how bad the sound REALLY was? Haw bad the view REALLY was? Maybe ppl are only exaggerating? How do you know, if you're so against...? And if you weren't there??? Aren't you talkking about something you have no idea about?
Son Of Brian's Permed Poodle.
Brian isn't saying that at all. He has admitted, although not directly, that the band are at fault for agreeing to play at The Wembley Pavillion. They entrust venue booking to their management team, but who regulates those people - clearly, the band don't and they just turn up and play.
It'll be interesting to see whether Brian does acknowledge that letter both in terms of his stance now and what they are going to do about it in the future.
There are some huge, sweeping statements there that he really ought to know better about and will need to justify what he has said.
Brian isn't saying that at all. He has admitted, although not directly, that the band are at fault for agreeing to play at The Wembley Pavillion. They entrust venue booking to their management team, but who regulates those people - clearly, the band don't and they just turn up and play.
It'll be interesting to see whether Brian does acknowledge that letter both in terms of his stance now and what they are going to do about it in the future.
There are some huge, sweeping statements there that he really ought to know better about and will need to justify what he has said.
Son Of Brian's Permed Poodle.
Brian isn't saying that at all. He has admitted, although not directly, that the band are at fault for agreeing to play at The Wembley Pavillion. They entrust venue booking to their management team, but who regulates those people - clearly, the band don't and they just turn up and play.
It'll be interesting to see whether Brian does acknowledge that letter both in terms of his stance now and what they are going to do about it in the future.
There are some huge, sweeping statements there that he really ought to know better about and will need to justify what he has said.
Benn
while I disagree with some of the specifics in your letter I do agree with the complaints about the venue and have also written to brian .
My comments were:
Never before have I had to resort to going to the bar and working my way back to my seat the long way round just so I could see the band ,. The front of house sound wasn’t too bad although the lack of solid walls tended to suck out any reverb and the bottom end just didn’t hold up.
You’re right the venue is totally unsuitable for any form of entertainment but I feel that you or your management and tour organisers to be more exact have to take some of the blame.
I spend a fair amount of my time organising and attending corporate events and there is no way that I would agree to book a venue unless my team had not only seen the glossy and sometimes misleading bumpf sent out by venues but had also inspected the place AND witnessed an event in progress at that venue.
That way we know not only that the capacity is ok, but also that the security arrangements and layout meet our AND our customers needs.
Did this not happen for this tour?
We, the audience weren’t customers of Wembley Pavilion but customers of a partnership between Queen and Paul Rodgers who had decided to use Wembley Pavilion as a place to sell us their services. Never mind what Wembley are going to do about complaints , What are Queen Productions and CCE/Phil McIntyre going to do about it.
N
I agree with everything both of you said...and I also read Brian's soapbox this morning thinking...OK? I am interested to see what he has to say as follow up..or rather follow through.
Also the band needs to stop blindly trusting every damn thing venue promoters, management & booking do (IF that even is the TRUE story...or just a smokescreen like the Ashley Simpson incident/debacle, where she kept placing blame on everyone but herself). I sincerely hope the band was NOT knowledgeable of this ahead of time and is not just placing the blame elsewhere to save face, and if the venue promoters, Queen management and booking were at fault...
.....that's really no excuse either, as Brian, Roger, & Paul Rodgers should definitely be more proactively INVOLVED and be more hands on so that these type of things don't ever happen...again, in this case. As they say, ignorance is NO excuse.
Some of Brian's statements do sound sort of like damage control/placing blame elsewhere though...which he has a running history of doing with Queen for decades now...I have yet to see whenever something goes awry/wrong..from Sun City..to bad sound at a show, to the smallest trifle...Brian NEVER owns up to things and neither does the band. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Then he rants and rationalizes and revises the incidents to make himself and Queen look like martyred, perfect saints who can do no wrong. Yawn.
Benn, one last pester. :)
If you could let me know your e-mail addy by sending to [email protected], There's a wealth of info you might be interested in.
If you could let me know your e-mail addy by sending to [email protected], There's a wealth of info you might be interested in.
Benn
while I disagree with some of the specifics in your letter I do agree with the complaints about the venue and have also written to brian .
My comments were:
Never before have I had to resort to going to the bar and working my way back to my seat the long way round just so I could see the band ,. The front of house sound wasn’t too bad although the lack of solid walls tended to suck out any reverb and the bottom end just didn’t hold up.
You’re right the venue is totally unsuitable for any form of entertainment but I feel that you or your management and tour organisers to be more exact have to take some of the blame.
I spend a fair amount of my time organising and attending corporate events and there is no way that I would agree to book a venue unless my team had not only seen the glossy and sometimes misleading bumpf sent out by venues but had also inspected the place AND witnessed an event in progress at that venue.
That way we know not only that the capacity is ok, but also that the security arrangements and layout meet our AND our customers needs.
Did this not happen for this tour?
We, the audience weren’t customers of Wembley Pavilion but customers of a partnership between Queen and Paul Rodgers who had decided to use Wembley Pavilion as a place to sell us their services. Never mind what Wembley are going to do about complaints , What are Queen Productions and CCE/Phil McIntyre going to do about it.
N
while I disagree with some of the specifics in your letter I do agree with the complaints about the venue and have also written to brian .
My comments were:
Never before have I had to resort to going to the bar and working my way back to my seat the long way round just so I could see the band ,. The front of house sound wasn’t too bad although the lack of solid walls tended to suck out any reverb and the bottom end just didn’t hold up.
You’re right the venue is totally unsuitable for any form of entertainment but I feel that you or your management and tour organisers to be more exact have to take some of the blame.
I spend a fair amount of my time organising and attending corporate events and there is no way that I would agree to book a venue unless my team had not only seen the glossy and sometimes misleading bumpf sent out by venues but had also inspected the place AND witnessed an event in progress at that venue.
That way we know not only that the capacity is ok, but also that the security arrangements and layout meet our AND our customers needs.
Did this not happen for this tour?
We, the audience weren’t customers of Wembley Pavilion but customers of a partnership between Queen and Paul Rodgers who had decided to use Wembley Pavilion as a place to sell us their services. Never mind what Wembley are going to do about complaints , What are Queen Productions and CCE/Phil McIntyre going to do about it.
N
bollocks -Brian can say what the hell he likes - its his opinon and he is entitled to it, if youdont like it don't fuckin' read it.
Scally - great letter chap. What is interesting is that Harvy Goldsmith Ents. isn't promoting the Queen name any longer - that will almost certainly be at the root of the issue.
@Fenderek
"...I´m not going to cry over 50 pounds, mate. It's not that much..."
Don´t tell your parents in Poland how much 50 pounds are worth...
Brian (and the rest of the band) could have easily said .."no, we´re never gonna play in here for money" when they first entered the Wembley Pavilion for their rehearsals....
No, it was not "their" fault... it´s as usual their management... no, not even their (management´s) fault.... c´mon ppl, it´s Ken Livingston´s fault!!! :-))
Brian is a true saint, isn´t he?
"...I´m not going to cry over 50 pounds, mate. It's not that much..."
Don´t tell your parents in Poland how much 50 pounds are worth...
Brian (and the rest of the band) could have easily said .."no, we´re never gonna play in here for money" when they first entered the Wembley Pavilion for their rehearsals....
No, it was not "their" fault... it´s as usual their management... no, not even their (management´s) fault.... c´mon ppl, it´s Ken Livingston´s fault!!! :-))
Brian is a true saint, isn´t he?
I never said Brian is a saint. But he took SOME responsibility for what happened. We'll see if that mens anything...
I know how much 50 pounds is in Poland. Thing is- I live in London, in England- why would I care? Should I feel bad about starving children in Kenya right now?
I know how much 50 pounds is in Poland. Thing is- I live in London, in England- why would I care? Should I feel bad about starving children in Kenya right now?
Simple fact is London is a shit hole and the wrong place to stage the Olympics.
Paris is a much better option a far prettier city.
However as born Brummie the Olympics should have been held in Birmingham and the national stadium should be in Birmingham. Reason: Birmingham is in central England and everybody has easy access to it.
Paris is a much better option a far prettier city.
However as born Brummie the Olympics should have been held in Birmingham and the national stadium should be in Birmingham. Reason: Birmingham is in central England and everybody has easy access to it.
Dad.... RIP 2005 :-)
Not going to get too into the whole Olympic bid bit, but I live in Stepney Green, the number 25 is the only bus that runs directly from the West End to Stratford and I travel every day on the district line and it's hell, oh and they have just tonight announced a walk out on this line on May 23rd!!!
As for Wembley Pavillion, the place totally lacks atmosphere, but...
I was way back in F3 row 20, wasn't much further back you could get, and yes they were but specs on the stage (lucky for me I had my 300m lens)but the sound at the back was fantastic, and a bad venue certainly didn't spoil my enjoyment of what will probably be a once in a lifetime chance for me.
I'm not going to tell anyone else what they should think, but I had a bloody marvelous time
As for Wembley Pavillion, the place totally lacks atmosphere, but...
I was way back in F3 row 20, wasn't much further back you could get, and yes they were but specs on the stage (lucky for me I had my 300m lens)but the sound at the back was fantastic, and a bad venue certainly didn't spoil my enjoyment of what will probably be a once in a lifetime chance for me.
I'm not going to tell anyone else what they should think, but I had a bloody marvelous time