I'd feel more sorry for his children, if they're really his.
They're REALLY gonna need to be shielded from the public, before they get asked questions like:
"Your dad's a child molestor, isn't he?" etc.
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sam,
you don't think it is wrong to innapropriatly touch a child ???? if this is not wrong there is no such thing as right and wrong.God help us all
you don't think it is wrong to innapropriatly touch a child ???? if this is not wrong there is no such thing as right and wrong.God help us all
hard to picture MJ in prison...he wont last a day without special treatment.
But DON't drop the soap!
And don't drop your nose :)
sam,
you don't think it is wrong to innapropriatly touch a child ???? if this is not wrong there is no such thing as right and wrong.God help us all
I assume you are reffering to me TYMD? Well, if you read my post, in no way did I say that.
What I actually said was that there is a difference between if - in your mind - you are innocently spending time with kids and happen to sleep in the same bed with them (innocently as in you are doing it becuase you want to make a difference to their lives and just want to make these kids happy for however long it may be possible), and molesting a child becuase you are sick in the head.
I do not for one minute believe - for all his faults percieved by the oh so correct society - he is sick enough to molest, let alone hurt a child. He may do things like cover their faces and unfortunately dangle them off a balcony, but in fairness, as stated many times in this topic, he has some characteristics of a child in the way that he perhaps doesn't think things through to their conclusion before hand becuase - to him - he isn't doing anything wrong as such.
Why?
Becuase he's innocent.
However, what about the Arvizo parent/guardians? Surely, if your kids wanted to go stay round any adults house, let alone Michael Jackson's, surely you'd raise an eyebrow and at the very least say "no you're fucking not", just out of sheer caution and concern not becuase something is going to happen. What's the difference there? Is it becuase, in society, they are viewed as pretty much normal? Surely it's inconcievable to think that they wanted millions of dollars out of him?
Actually, it's not is it.
At the end of the day, there is a VERY clear difference between "illegal" and "wrong in the view of society". Should someone get jailed for 18 years for something that society views as wrong? I don't think so, and I don't think it's worth destryoing a man's life for that either.
Michael Jackson is not an innocent(by innocent I'm not talking about the trial, I'm speaking of his persona.). They found much pornography and alcohol in his home. He has been to rehab for addiction to prescription drugs. He is on prescription drugs now. If he is an innocent, nonsexual waif, what does he need pornography for? You can't have it both ways. He wants you to BELIEVE he is an innocent. Even his former wife Lisa Marie Presley said that she truly did love him, but that he has everyone snowed. He has a public persona, the "innocent childlike" Michael Jackson, and a very different persona when he is in private. Yes he was abused as a child. But there are alot of people that are abused that grow up to lead normal productive lives. There comes a time when you have to take responsibility for your own life and actions. It amazes me that so many people are willing to overlook his rediculous behavior just because of who he is. How could a 46 year old man sleeping in bed with a child make a positive difference in the child's life? My son is 18 now, but if he would've come home at 12 and said "when I slept over Frank's house last night his dad asked me to sleep in bed with him" I would be furious, and so would any other parent on this board. I hold the parents of these victims responsible too. Is rubbing elbows with the famous so important to them that they will throw their own child to the wolves? Its disgusting.
What Ive never been able to understand is, why the HELL MJ puts himself in this position. Any
normal person (or anyone other than someone with ulterior motives) would not have these kids in his house FULL STOP.
I think the parents are just as much to blame, because I know one thing I sure as hell wouldnt let my kids go to anyones house who I heard was suspected of messing about with them, Michael Jackson included! Neither would any other self
respecting parents.
I do however think, that he is ill, (who on earth
would do what he has done to his face, and hold his opinions of having young boys in his bed as A-OK if they wernt ill), I think if he is found to be guilty, then it should be a mental hospital, as
I think he would try to take his own life in prison.
Dont get me wrong, I think its a complete tragedy
for someone as talented as MJ to end up in this state, but he isnt the first (Gary GLitter), and
he wont be the last. However, he should not be treated any differently to anyone else, if the proof is there and he is guilty, well tough, if not, lets hope he gets some help, and can rebuild his life and finally quit (hopefully he will have learnt) having children share his house, if not, he deserves all he gets.
normal person (or anyone other than someone with ulterior motives) would not have these kids in his house FULL STOP.
I think the parents are just as much to blame, because I know one thing I sure as hell wouldnt let my kids go to anyones house who I heard was suspected of messing about with them, Michael Jackson included! Neither would any other self
respecting parents.
I do however think, that he is ill, (who on earth
would do what he has done to his face, and hold his opinions of having young boys in his bed as A-OK if they wernt ill), I think if he is found to be guilty, then it should be a mental hospital, as
I think he would try to take his own life in prison.
Dont get me wrong, I think its a complete tragedy
for someone as talented as MJ to end up in this state, but he isnt the first (Gary GLitter), and
he wont be the last. However, he should not be treated any differently to anyone else, if the proof is there and he is guilty, well tough, if not, lets hope he gets some help, and can rebuild his life and finally quit (hopefully he will have learnt) having children share his house, if not, he deserves all he gets.
Not like I'm trying to take Michael Jackson's position, but remember that back in 1993 Michael Jackson was first accused of sexually molesting a boy and then they later settled out of court for a concealed amount of money some claim to be between 2 and 50 million.
This comes to two possible conclusions...
- Michael Jackson's accuser and his mother successfully scammed him. Michael in this case wouldn't have molested this kid, but he sure prefered to give them money in order to make them shut their mouths and not bring another lawsuit.
- Despite of molesting this kid, his mother is still willing to take money over justice. What kind of fucked up parent do you have to be, to let free the person who sexually molested your child and receive money instead? That's like selling your own child, and it's sickening to think that a parent could do such a thing.
This comes to two possible conclusions...
- Michael Jackson's accuser and his mother successfully scammed him. Michael in this case wouldn't have molested this kid, but he sure prefered to give them money in order to make them shut their mouths and not bring another lawsuit.
- Despite of molesting this kid, his mother is still willing to take money over justice. What kind of fucked up parent do you have to be, to let free the person who sexually molested your child and receive money instead? That's like selling your own child, and it's sickening to think that a parent could do such a thing.
imo i think jacko is guilty as hell, did you know he borrowed the cash off liz taylor to pay the chandler kid, jacko has always said he's A-sexual not interested in sex or booze but then he reads porn mags and gets drunk!!! then sleeps with kids c'mon if it was your next door neighbour he'd be locked up and if all that crap about lost childhood, his die hard fans say noooo he would never do that his music is great.. the thing is he's not being judged on his 9-5 job its his personal life do you think the police and prosecution would go all this way on a high profile case if they thought for one minute he was innocent they'll know a hell of a lot more info than us and all the gory details, the man is a weirdo. the thing is i love his music from the 80's
I'd feel more sorry for his children, if they're really his.
They're REALLY gonna need to be shielded from the public, before they get asked questions like:
"Your dad's a child molestor, isn't he?" etc.
:P
i know - that's a really shit deal, especially when you add to the fact that they already think he's a waxwork model who makes shit music
still, you don't get to choose your parents...poor mites
lollll !!
someone said why does he put himself in this position like any child abuser they cant stop, i mean why the fuck does he talk like that even his voice coach said to him why do you talk like that talk for? the coach also said jacko's talking voice is pretty deep but imo its to come across sweet young and innocent and to appeal to youngsters,
what about that rich business man from uk for when he was a kid jacko used to phone him for hours and then start talking filth saying are you touching yourself because i am which freaked the kid out, now this business man didnt want to get involved because he has built himself a good business and is very wealthy so why would he lie for money? when he's already rich! also whatabout when jacko had a gay affair with liberace's young blonde boyfriend in the very early 80's
someone said why does he put himself in this position like any child abuser they cant stop, i mean why the fuck does he talk like that even his voice coach said to him why do you talk like that talk for? the coach also said jacko's talking voice is pretty deep but imo its to come across sweet young and innocent and to appeal to youngsters,
what about that rich business man from uk for when he was a kid jacko used to phone him for hours and then start talking filth saying are you touching yourself because i am which freaked the kid out, now this business man didnt want to get involved because he has built himself a good business and is very wealthy so why would he lie for money? when he's already rich! also whatabout when jacko had a gay affair with liberace's young blonde boyfriend in the very early 80's
Wow, you all seem to know him so well!
I'm glad you've all come on here and told us these obviously true stories! None of it seems like tabloid crap at all. Tell me, were you there when all these things happened?
I'm glad you've all come on here and told us these obviously true stories! None of it seems like tabloid crap at all. Tell me, were you there when all these things happened?
Probably innocent. I seriously think that he's just lost touch with the adult world and adult morals and just can't get what people find so dodgy about a man sleeping with other people's kids.
Hopefully this trial will give him the slap he needs to finally figure this out.
Hopefully this trial will give him the slap he needs to finally figure this out.
He is innocent.
The problem is, whether this is unfortunate or not - that sleeping in a bed with children for innocent reasons (regardless of how society views this)isn't illegal. Molesting them is.
I think what they have to look at is the fact that, in his mind, he is doing nothing illicit (as well as the fact nothing illicit is going on). However, whether the courts do it or not (which is VERY LIKELY) Mike's people will have to impose some form of strict watch on him to make sure he doesn't spend so much time with kids in such innapropriate places (and I don't mean their groins, I mean his bed).
Anyway, apparently he's been quoted as saying he is going to relocate to Europe when he has been "proven innocent" as he never wants to live at Neverland again after the manner in which the police forcefully and unfairly invaded it.
The problem is, whether this is unfortunate or not - that sleeping in a bed with children for innocent reasons (regardless of how society views this)isn't illegal. Molesting them is.
I think what they have to look at is the fact that, in his mind, he is doing nothing illicit (as well as the fact nothing illicit is going on). However, whether the courts do it or not (which is VERY LIKELY) Mike's people will have to impose some form of strict watch on him to make sure he doesn't spend so much time with kids in such innapropriate places (and I don't mean their groins, I mean his bed).
Anyway, apparently he's been quoted as saying he is going to relocate to Europe when he has been "proven innocent" as he never wants to live at Neverland again after the manner in which the police forcefully and unfairly invaded it.