for a good non mainstream band try 'clutch' unlike dream theater, most of their songs are under 20 minutes and they rock. 'sir' your not chatting with a kid who knows nothing about music, i have every 'rush' album from their first album to 'vapor trails', also 'yes' and all the rest, i will admit there's some talent in dream theater, but, like i said, they lack in originality, and that's the real reason why they never made big like rush and yes, and pink floyd. originality is the key to what i'm trying to say. 'theater' sound like a copy of iron maiden and rush and many many and many other bands. i saw this band open up for iron maiden, i walked away unimpressed, almost fell asleep.
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for a good non mainstream band try 'clutch' unlike dream theater, most of their songs are under 20 minutes and they rock. 'sir' your not chatting with a kid who knows nothing about music, i have every 'rush' album from their first album to 'vapor trails', also 'yes' and all the rest, i will admit there's some talent in dream theater, but, like i said, they lack in originality, and that's the real reason why they never made big like rush and yes, and pink floyd. originality is the key to what i'm trying to say. 'theater' sound like a copy of iron maiden and rush and many many and many other bands. i saw this band open up for iron maiden, i walked away unimpressed, almost fell asleep.
And again, you're entitled to your opinion. You're right, DT very often site their influences openly, but you can't tell me that the concept of the Scenes From A Memory album isn't original, for example. That album is one of the most original things I've ever heard.
Are you trying to tell me that Yes was hugely commercially successful? Dream Theater may not be big here, but they're very big in Europe and Japan. They are just so over the heads of the commercial audience here, and they never will be big here. As Jingles pointed out, they're clearly happy with what they have become. They do not need to sell out, and I hope they never will.
james labrie is garbage and he comes from a parasite cowerd country of loosers
james labrie is garbage and he comes from a parasite cowerd country of loosers
Scott, I welcome you and your intellectual, well-informed contributions to this discussion.
for a good non mainstream band try 'clutch' unlike dream theater, most of their songs are under 20 minutes and they rock. 'sir' your not chatting with a kid who knows nothing about music, i have every 'rush' album from their first album to 'vapor trails', also 'yes' and all the rest, i will admit there's some talent in dream theater, but, like i said, they lack in originality, and that's the real reason why they never made big like rush and yes, and pink floyd. originality is the key to what i'm trying to say. 'theater' sound like a copy of iron maiden and rush and many many and many other bands. i saw this band open up for iron maiden, i walked away unimpressed, almost fell asleep.
And again, you're entitled to your opinion. You're right, DT very often site their influences openly, but you can't tell me that the concept of the Scenes From A Memory album isn't original, for example. That album is one of the most original things I've ever heard.
Are you trying to tell me that Yes was hugely commercially successful? Dream Theater may not be big here, but they're very big in Europe and Japan. They are just so over the heads of the commercial audience here, and they never will be big here. As Jingles pointed out, they're clearly happy with what they have become. They do not need to sell out, and I hope they never will.
I thought MP once mentioned that he wanted to get his big breakthrough with Octavarium? Could be only some gossip, but I can immagine them being pleased with some respect from press/TV/big audience. Anyway, I hope they will never be a big mainstream band, just because they will play football stadiums then, instead of smaller venues like they do now (although 10.000 is big enough to me as well).
Woah?! Where's John? seems he truly is the invisible man =-(
John isn't THAT good.
I'm surprised that no members of Dream Theater are mentioned in this list. Apparently Rush is better known then Dream Theater. But those guys really deserve a spot on the list.
I agree, at least the bass player from Dream Theater should have been mentioned, I can't think of his name right off hand but I know he is GOOD... same with their guitar player, which I MUST say I think is a WHOLE lot better than Slash.
will you forgive me if i say I haven't heard of Dream Theater? I just think the simplicity of John's bass playing allows him to blend well with the songs, some people let complexity take over... I'm off to buy some dream theater records now... :D
the problem with 'sir's' theory is, i personally never heard a rock singer sing like freddie sings on the 'we will rock you' dvd. let me see james labrie sing 'somebody to love,' then sing 'sheer heart attack,' which was not just impressive, but was in fact sheer brilliance. also check out 'play the game,' i'm not just ranking on dream theater, i don't think i'v seen any other rock singer sing such a wide range of music, from labrie to dickinson, halford and yes even plant. it's only one opinion, but to me, freddie reigns supreme. to contridict myself a bit, even if 'labrie' isn't the most original singer, he's still better than most singers out there today.
I hear ya Mike, but in Queen concerts, Freddie usually could not sing Somebody To Love like the recorded version. His vocal performance was often very disappointing. It's not really a LaBrie song, so I couldn't see him excelling with this one. Conversely, could you picture Freddie singing Caught In A Web?
There are many fantastic versions from 81-82, but most versions from the 70s are lacking. They surely wouldn't have performed the song as often as they did had they not released it as a single.
There are many fantastic versions from 81-82, but most versions from the 70s are lacking. They surely wouldn't have performed the song as often as they did had they not released it as a single.
this has become the mercury and labrie show, i thought this topic was about mercury and plant, i'll check out some more live "plant", i'm familiar with dickinson and halford, both are good but limited live singers, maybe i'll even check out some live dream theater and judge for myself.
this has become the mercury and labrie show, i thought this topic was about mercury and plant, i'll check out some more live "plant", i'm familiar with dickinson and halford, both are good but limited live singers, maybe i'll even check out some live dream theater and judge for myself.
When you check out Plant, make sure to put the focus on 1969 - 1973. They were his prime years vocally I would think. (not having a great Zep boot collection myself, I'm only going on what I've read).
The recent live cd How The West Was Won is a great place to start. Zeppelin at their 1972 best.
that's the one i was going to check out, i was never a huge zep fan, but still like them, i heard alot of good things about that release, so i will check it out, also, the who has some great live releases, as far as queen go, i think their best is still in the vaults, i think early to mid 70's they were tighter than ever, even though early 80's were great. from what i heard freddie's vocals were bloody strong on songs like 'liar' and son and 'daughter,' he had that operatic excellence from the mid 70's bootlegs i heard.
I really think we should question how the survey results came out....it seems to be that it was just the Led Zeppelin fan club that either voted or got their votes counted....obviously there weren't many true musicians voting...Plant was good and all but Mercury blows him away....so does Rodgers by the way...., and JP Jones ahead of Geddy Lee, no way ever....Slash that high??? yes the list goes on...
Robert Plant is the negative side of Led Zeppelin.
i agree, the more i think about this list, the more bullshit i think it is. don't get me wrong, it would be ignorant to say 'plant' wasn't great, but from what i heard from 'mercury' he is in fact a better vocalist. to me 'plant' has a high pitch voice, but very thin compared to mercury, freddie has a much wider range, and plant has an annoying screeche a bit, i listened to zeps 'how the west was won' which is considered plants prime and that's the impression i get, a high pitch but thin voice, still good, but if you listen to freddie in 74 to 76 or early eighties, it's no comparison, imo. forget about "slash", that's even a bigger joke, he's a solid guitar player, but 2nd best of all time? are they joking.
For me, as a young listener, Plant, while clearly influential definitely doesn't possess the tone that Freddie always seemed able to put into his singing. Plant had and from what I've heard still has an astonishing voice but Freddie's voice was always so rich and smooth that no one compares.
Also, in defence of the critiscism levelled at Bono, I saw U2 a couple of weeks ago in Cardiff and he never sang a wrong note, his showmanship was very impressie even by Freddie standards and on one song in particular, 'Running to stand still', he lifted the key by nearly an octave for the chorus and still managed to carry it with a great deal of power. For me, it was the highlight of the night.
I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Bono can sing better than Freddie - he doesn't have the range or the tonal ability - but that was a damn good rock show and his voice was incredible.
Also, in defence of the critiscism levelled at Bono, I saw U2 a couple of weeks ago in Cardiff and he never sang a wrong note, his showmanship was very impressie even by Freddie standards and on one song in particular, 'Running to stand still', he lifted the key by nearly an octave for the chorus and still managed to carry it with a great deal of power. For me, it was the highlight of the night.
I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Bono can sing better than Freddie - he doesn't have the range or the tonal ability - but that was a damn good rock show and his voice was incredible.