"Live Killers" venues?

brucifer wrote:

The fact that the songs themselves and not just the album are compiled from various concerts shouldn't really surprise anyone. Most live albums are done this way .... even ones that claim to be from one show.

In fact, it's been common practice in the industry for groups, or artists, to go back into the studio and "fix" the live tracks. This is rampant on many live albums - ex: Kiss - Alive I, II, III & IV; Judas Priest - Unleashed In The East (which has been nicknamed Unleashed In The Studio); Thin Lizzy - Live & Dangerous ..... the list goes on and on and on. there are very few that are truly live, although they do exist.

At least, to our knowledge, Queen hasn't resorted to this. The tracks are still "live", even if pieces of songs are taken from different venues.

Just thought I'd throw my two cents in. Sorry for interupting.

I`m not surprised about fixing the tracks in the studio, because shit happens during a performance even though i think that Kiss and Judas Priest really abuse of this studio thing.

But to release two or even three performances in one song, i really never heard this was made, because it`s a lot more hard to do, instead of just fixing the mistakes!

What disapointes me the most is that Queen are considered to be the best live band ever -the BEST- but "Live Killers" is not the type of thing that the best live band should release, or Rare Live, or Live Magic.-"They should put their money where their mouth is, so to speack!"

I´m not been cinical here, but i do really think that Queen were considered to be the best because of the anthems and crowd reaction, because i`ve seen Van Halen concerts , bootlegs , or even Iron Maiden, and let me tell you, there`s no way Queen could beat those guys, because they`ve really worked very hard to be that good live. I think that the 80`s was the decade where Queen really established themselves as a very good live band.
Don`t get me wrong, their my favourite band, but there`s people out there that really work harder to guive the best concert they can.

When Steve Vai goes on tour with G3 he says that he can reharse until 15 hours a day, because he wants to be on top form.


Take care

Yeah,bob should get a job:-)great site with very honest criticism!really like that and it looks to me that he has some musical knowledge aswell(I must admit I haven't,though I can of course judge their performances)

but it clearly says on 'LK'

'recored from fifty live shows'
...even if you account for audience overdubs, it still says that the 23/24 tracks are recorded from quite a few different venues, also the 'merci beaucoups' is a dead giveaway...

the thing that strikes me most about LK is that it's predominantly recorded in front of Gemran speaking audiences....and the BR 'clap' is a case to point!

who gives a rats ass. get over it, queen havn't toured since 86, oh i forgot about the new so called queen tour, anyway, get on with your lives.

hey Mike get a real nickname..that one is old,stale and boring. mike hunt ha ha ha ha

thank you, i'll take as a compliment. how do you know that's not my real name? i think mike hunt is a perfectly fine name, wait a minute, should i be insulted by these rude comments? ok, now i'm insulted, how dare you insult the great mike hunt, beg for forgiveness fucker.

Bobby_brown wrote:

I thought that Kiss hit the bottom line when they`ve released Alive 1, but Live Killers own that position.
Can`t this guys relax?- To release a live album should be the simplest thing in the world, but not whith Queen, they have to keep things difficult. I´m really start to think that Queen have the best cathalog to sing live, but as long as being the greatest live band ever...really don`t know! If they were so great why do they need all that production?

No way is Live Killers as bad as Kiss Alive. Apparently they re-did all of the vocals in the studio for that one. Unbelievable!

Even though i noticed subtle sound changes during the songs, i never realise that they were changing venues, and if you want my opinion, this is not the way a live album should me made.

But if one doesn't own bootlegs, they'll never notice the difference, will they? I'd say less than 0.01% of the album's buyers have heard even one bootleg from the tour. I do see your point though, and I'd have to agree.

The video is not from Frankfurt. I don't know if there's a video for that gig but the clip from LOML is from a gig in Japan, I believe.
Weird. :S

Wiley

Wiley wrote:

The video is not from Frankfurt. I don't know if there's a video for that gig but the clip from LOML is from a gig in Japan, I believe.
Weird. :S

Wiley

I believe it was, (it stays in the booklet):

Video from Japan
Sound from Frunkfurt

Thats mixed together ........also

John or anyone, what was the exact conclusion about DOTL - Barcelona AND /OR Cologne ? And if it's AND: From what I've heard on the Bootleg of the cologne show, it certainly is not the beginning, as Freddie's short speech is slightly different, if I remember right. So when does the song segue into the cologne version ?
Since I've first read Bob's analysis (which is a FANTASTIC work, and a great read) I'm fascinated with this whole LK-enigma...
BoRhap IMO is certainly from germany, as there was this strange craze about "Mustapha" here at the time. Could that be perhaps munich, not frankfurt ? I saw Thomas Gottschalks interview with the guys right before the show, and the snippets include Freddie saying "why the hell do you want that fucking song" or something. Just a guess, as I do not own any other recordings than cologne from that era. And btw John, fascinating thread, thanks !

Zeni wrote:

Live Killers and Live Magic are both compilation live albums, which (correct me if I am wrong) is not _that_ unusual of an idea.

The difference betweem the two albums is that Live Killers was compiled by people outside of the band. Brian and Roger, I believe, were especially upset with the end product. Live Magic, coming nearly a decade later and after Queen had more control over their careers, was probably more directly controlled by the band. Not sure what the excuse was there, other than the fact they did not want to release another 2LP set.

An interesting topic. Thanks.

I agree that Live Magic is crap compared to Live Killers.

Roger and Brian must have been drunk when releasing Live Magic.

Although the LK is taken from so many concerts it is still a bloody good reprenstation of a Queen concert whereas Live Magic is crap as it is so short and does not compare to a Queen concert whatsoever.

Bobby_brown wrote:

brucifer wrote:

The fact that the songs themselves and not just the album are compiled from various concerts shouldn't really surprise anyone. Most live albums are done this way .... even ones that claim to be from one show.

In fact, it's been common practice in the industry for groups, or artists, to go back into the studio and "fix" the live tracks. This is rampant on many live albums - ex: Kiss - Alive I, II, III & IV; Judas Priest - Unleashed In The East (which has been nicknamed Unleashed In The Studio); Thin Lizzy - Live & Dangerous ..... the list goes on and on and on. there are very few that are truly live, although they do exist.

At least, to our knowledge, Queen hasn't resorted to this. The tracks are still "live", even if pieces of songs are taken from different venues.

Just thought I'd throw my two cents in. Sorry for interupting.

I`m not surprised about fixing the tracks in the studio, because shit happens during a performance even though i think that Kiss and Judas Priest really abuse of this studio thing.

But to release two or even three performances in one song, i really never heard this was made, because it`s a lot more hard to do, instead of just fixing the mistakes!

What disapointes me the most is that Queen are considered to be the best live band ever -the BEST- but "Live Killers" is not the type of thing that the best live band should release, or Rare Live, or Live Magic.-"They should put their money where their mouth is, so to speack!"

I´m not been cinical here, but i do really think that Queen were considered to be the best because of the anthems and crowd reaction, because i`ve seen Van Halen concerts , bootlegs , or even Iron Maiden, and let me tell you, there`s no way Queen could beat those guys, because they`ve really worked very hard to be that good live. I think that the 80`s was the decade where Queen really established themselves as a very good live band.
Don`t get me wrong, their my favourite band, but there`s people out there that really work harder to guive the best concert they can.

When Steve Vai goes on tour with G3 he says that he can reharse until 15 hours a day, because he wants to be on top form.


Take care

For Pink Floyd's Pulse, the band recorded 20 shows in Europe and England. Some of the tracks had solos lifted in from other shows and vocals from other performances. Pro-tools makes it easy now to lift a vocal from one show and insert into another whereas in the 1970s, or KISS' case always, you re-recorded everything in the recording studio. David Gilmour, Nick Mason and Rick Wright didn't go in the studio to re-record parts during Pulse's compiling and mixing stages according to co-producer/engineer James Guthrie. He took solos from other shows and vocal tracks from other shows and inserted them into the performances the band wanted. Pink Floyd didn't re-record anything for Is There Anybody Out There: The Wall Live as well.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

I thought that Kiss hit the bottom line when they`ve released Alive 1, but Live Killers own that position.
Can`t this guys relax?- To release a live album should be the simplest thing in the world, but not whith Queen, they have to keep things difficult. I´m really start to think that Queen have the best cathalog to sing live, but as long as being the greatest live band ever...really don`t know! If they were so great why do they need all that production?

No way is Live Killers as bad as Kiss Alive. Apparently they re-did all of the vocals in the studio for that one. Unbelievable!

Even though i noticed subtle sound changes during the songs, i never realise that they were changing venues, and if you want my opinion, this is not the way a live album should me made.

But if one doesn't own bootlegs, they'll never notice the difference, will they? I'd say less than 0.01% of the album's buyers have heard even one bootleg from the tour. I do see your point though, and I'd have to agree.

KISS re-recorded everything for Alive! except the drums.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote:

KISS re-recorded everything for Alive! except the drums.

Wow, I can't believe that... but again, I guess I'm gonna have to. :P

Interesting post, re: Floyd as well!

Regor wrote:

I saw Thomas Gottschalks interview with the guys right before the show, and the snippets include Freddie saying "why the hell do you want that fucking song" or something.

I don't ever recall seeing this! Please tell me more about this one. Or is this from the interview on the common Munich video, and I just don't remember this one line?