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Krizzy wrote:
One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.


In other words, start thinking like you.
"Brian May, Freddie will."
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FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:
Krizzy wrote:
One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.


In other words, start thinking like you.


Hey, it beats thinking like you. If I did, I should get a lobotomy.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Brandon wrote: [/QUOTENAME]... and now the "best you can offer is Mr. Jingles? HA! He's... just pathetic.[/QUOTE]
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Mr.Jingles wrote:
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:
Krizzy wrote:
One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.


In other words, start thinking like you.


Hey, it beats thinking like you. If I did, I should get a lobotomy.


And if I ever was as insulting as you lot, I would wash my mouth out with soap.
"Brian May, Freddie will."
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Krizzy wrote:
READ THIS:

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html

I hope that Bush-loving brainwashed teenager that supports that idiot of a president reads this too!


Kriz >:o(


Nope - Krizzy is not piling on, Of course not. No political opportunism - no sirree Bob.

I so admire Krizzy, that I decided to return the favor and call Democrats brainwashed.

I think from now on, I will try to be more original and just refer to Krizzy and Jingles as "Dizzy" because they are spin masters. Question is - are they really dumb enough to believe their own spin?
Socialism: There's one for you, nineteen for me Should five per cent appear too small Be thankful I don't take it all
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I don't understand this? Why couldn't all these people that are being evacuated now been evacuated before the huracaine? It's like they knew that a missile was going to hit that area and the people who had the power just crossed their fingers and looked the other way. What is the difference between before and after Katrina?: thousand of deaths.
Freddie es como Carlos Gardel: cada dia canta mejor.
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The mayor of New Orleans was afraid of lawsuits from the business district. Manditory evacuations were ordered by the mayor less than a day before Katrina's arrival after Bush pleaded for a manditory evacuation.
Socialism: There's one for you, nineteen for me Should five per cent appear too small Be thankful I don't take it all
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I think it's funny how the same person who accusses others of "spinning" is the same one who figures that because we don't support Bush, we're can automatically be labeled as "Democrats". As far as I'm concerned neither Krizzy or me have ever mentioned being supporters of the Democrat Party, or any other political organization for that matter.

Well here are some other labels for us, so you can use them anytime you want in the future:

- Commies
- Pot Smoking Hippies
- Pinheads
- Slackers
- Tree Hugging Idiots
- Anti-American
- Left Wing Nuts
- Traitors
- Terrorists

That's McCarthyism at it's very best. The ultimate spin.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Brandon wrote: [/QUOTENAME]... and now the "best you can offer is Mr. Jingles? HA! He's... just pathetic.[/QUOTE]
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Don't blame only feds

Crime rate, inept pols leveled New Orleans before the storm



Let's take a break from the joy of Bush bashing to reveal the dirty little secret of New Orleans: Its local government deserves an F for its planning and response to Katrina. And one other thing: The New Orleans police force would be a joke if it weren't a disgrace.

Yes, I know it's impolitic to say such things while the suffering in the Big Easy is fresh and many cops risked their lives to save others. But now is the time to blow the whistle on the story line being repeated by rote across America: That the federal government ignored New Orleans because most of its residents are black and poor.

That narrative has all the accuracy of a historic novel: it takes two undisputed facts - the feds were slow and New Orleans is largely black and poor - and weaves in pure fiction to make the desired link.

The charge of racism-inspired foot-dragging isn't just nonsense. It's pernicious nonsense, as in destructive and malicious. You know that's a fact because loony Howard Dean, the Democratic Party boss, is now peddling it. He's joined by Jesse Jackson, who said the squalor in New Orleans "looks like the hull of a slave ship." Oh, please.

If even a smidgen of the racism charges are true, President Bush should be shot. But before we give him his blindfold, let's look at New Orleans before Katrina.

Start with crime. That looters ran unchecked after the hurricane isn't surprising when you consider that criminals have had the run of the city for years.

It is a perennial contender for Murder Capital. The 264 homicides last year were a drop of only 11 from 2003 - and the first decline in five years.

New Orleans, with fewer than 500,000 people, had almost half the murders of New York, which had 570 homicides last year in a city of more than 8 million. Put another way, if New York had New Orleans' murder rate, we would have more than 4,200 murders a year.

That the New Orleans police are hardly the Finest was proven by a shocking report yesterday: Nearly a third of New Orleans cops - some 500 of the 1,600 - are now unaccounted for. The department says some quit, but it doesn't know where most of them are.

The top cop, Eddie Compass, has responded by offering all officers paid vacations to Las Vegas and Atlanta. Yes, that's right - he is pulling all cops off the street, even while bodies lie in the open. Never in New York.

Then there's Mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat, who has blamed everybody but himself. Maybe he has forgotten his plans for dealing with Katrina.

Last July, his office prepared DVDs warning that, if the city ever had to be evacuated, residents were on their own. According toa July 24 article in The Times-Picayune (spotted by the Web's Drudge Report), "Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation."

"You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," one official said of the message.

And how's this for preparation? Cops were told not to work on the day Katrina hit, one officer told The New York Times, but "to come in the next day, to save money on their budget."

By all means, let's investigate what went wrong in New Orleans. Let's start in City Hall.

Originally published on September 7, 2005

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/344065p-293598c.html
"Not a fan of the ladies, are you Trebek?" Sean Connery
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Received this by email today:

This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. No one else will know, so you wont be fooling anyone but yourself if you give anything but a truthful answer.

The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous.

Please read slowly and thoughtfully, giving due consideration to each line.

Here's the situation:

You are in New Orleans. There is chaos all around you caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photo journalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is
nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing under the
water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury. Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer...somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. Bush, President of the United States!!

At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under... forever. You have two options - you can save the life of G.W.Bush, or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful men.

So here's the question, and please give an honest answer:

Would you select high contrast color film, or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white?
Cleveland May 24 to June 4th 2007 - I came, I saw, I fucked off home again.
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That was hilarious Bob.

On the much sadder side of the reality of Hurricaine Katrina, I found this video that truly reflects how all those poor rescue workers had to put up with a government that had abandoned them.

http://www.wimp.com/abandoned/
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Brandon wrote: [/QUOTENAME]... and now the "best you can offer is Mr. Jingles? HA! He's... just pathetic.[/QUOTE]
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Anyway, this piece spells it out slowly for those, like Jingles, who will never get it, as their hatred of all things Bush apparently clouds good judgement reagarding FEMA and what they do...

Blame Amid the Tragedy

Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.

BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?

As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.

Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.

The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.

A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.
The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.

Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he
"Not a fan of the ladies, are you Trebek?" Sean Connery
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http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientprofile.php?recipientID=106

For abhoring the political agenda of the left in regards to Katrina, you sure do a good job of promoting the right.

All I see are cut-and-paste jobs of largely conservative publications. The reason I won't listen to you is that this shows no understanding of the facts, just regurgitation of someone else's opinion.

Whenever you do go off-script and post your own feelings, they betray you. Saying that liberals run on emotions is a ludricous statement when you call Katrina's victims a bunch of welfare-loving, stupid criminals.

People have died, and wasting time trying to discuss this issue with you is counter-productive. I will stop. But before you think that posting a bunch of regurgitated opinion counts as enlightenment, remember that most intelligent QZers can see any hidden bias in your ''sources.''
DJ's the man we love the most
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Zeni wrote:
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientprofile.php?recipientID=106

For abhoring the political agenda of the left in regards to Katrina, you sure do a good job of promoting the right.

All I see are cut-and-paste jobs of largely conservative publications. The reason I won't listen to you is that this shows no understanding of the facts, just regurgitation of someone else's opinion.

Whenever you do go off-script and post your own feelings, they betray you. Saying that liberals run on emotions is a ludricous statement when you call Katrina's victims a bunch of welfare-loving, stupid criminals.

People have died, and wasting time trying to discuss this issue with you is counter-productive. I will stop. But before you think that posting a bunch of regurgitated opinion counts as enlightenment, remember that most intelligent QZers can see any hidden bias in your ''sources.''


So, you refuse to listen to the truth, simply because it was published in the Wall Street Journal?

Is it not true that the vast majority of the folks that were not evacuated by the local authorities poor, and dependent on the government for food and money? Even Jesse Jackson agrees with that....Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco KNEW that, according to all of the plans in place, and ignored it.

Are there any facts in the article posted that aren't accurate? I have no bias to one side or the other, my bias is, quite simply, right from wrong.....

It is really, really sad that you cannot see that, and that you let politics get in the way of sound judgement...
"Not a fan of the ladies, are you Trebek?" Sean Connery
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For an outsider it seems like Americans have 2 answers for a disaster like that:

1. blame someone
2. shoot someone

Since Katrina could not be blamed on Al Quaeda, there is a certain confusion who should be blamed (god, the gays, the federal government, the local government) and who should be shot (in the absence of some Arabs just shoot each other).

Luckily, the vast majority of the American people are compassionate and generous and help the victims instead of fighting about who is to blame and who has a political advantage from this.
I do not want any google ads here.
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Thank you for being a voice of reason, Barbara.
-If you want the best seat in the house, you have to move the cat.