[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I did not post in the Arlene thread because I do not know anything about the issue and I cannot help. I also know that we always have to keep in mind that what we see on the internet must not necessarily reflect the whole truth. Of course Arlene has every right as a QZ member to post about her current problems and if the topic starter is fed up, all he had to do was avoid the topic instead of starting a new one.
I fully agree with John Stuart and I do not see how he could be perceived as Anti American. All he said was that the system does not work for all people and how can anybody be offended by this statement. I was very surprised that the American posters, although really being helpful, find it normal that a college graduate should work two or even three low paid jobs to make a living. But that is sure a matter of mentality.
As to the other issue discussed in this thread. I grew up in a country that was eternally grateful to the USA for putting an end to the Nazis and introducing democracy. We learned everything from the USA: to be fair and respect the rights of others, to be generous and help the poor to make a living, to help the ignorant to get an education, to build up a society where everybody has a chance to live in peace and legal and social security. To be alarmed when human rights are violated anywhere because we know that we can be the next victims any time.
But today the USA under Bush is regarded as one of the most brutal regimes in the world. Under Bush they abandoned the fight for human rights and introduced torture as a liable means in the alleged fight against terrorism. In all human right reports the USA are always named among other cruel regimes as China, North Korea and a couple of African countries. They created the term "Non Person" to deny people the most basic human rights. People are held in secret places with no lawyers, no legal hearing, no legal court.
Now you say you are not responsible because you did not vote for Bush and his approval rate is on an all time low. But isn't that the same lazy attitude you blame Arlene for in the other thread? You are citizens of this beautiful country and you are the ones who have to make the difference. How is it possible that the war criminal Rumsfeld was made defense secretary in the second Bush term without a public outcry? Why are there no demonstrations and why are there no mass emails to congress members and senators? It was possible that Clinton was impeached for lying to the public about an extra marital affair but it is not possible to do something about the clique that ruins your country and other countries?
As a German I am blamed for the Nazis wherever I go. Whenever I have a discussion about human rights with people of other countries they will bring it up at some point. I can say that I was not even born, that my parents were small children and my grandfather died in a Nazi prison but the fact remains that it was my country who committed all these crimes and the shame is the same no matter if I contributed or not. The shame that such atrocities could happen in my country and the majority of the people looked away because it was "only" the Jews, the Czechs, the Poles, the French, the Russians... until there was nobody left to defend their own human rights.
It's not Anti American to speak out against violations of international law and human rights violations. We are all responsible for this world and the responsibilty does not end in a voting booth. Do not forget that if you do not fight for the rights of other people, nobody will be left to fight for your rights.[/QUOTE]
Barb, you articulated this very well. Thank you.
Also, something you said, you are the FIRST person to realize this...which I very much appreciate and respect.
Barb wrote ''I was very surprised that the American posters, although really being helpful, find it normal that a college
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]USA is the most horrible country of the world. And you call yourselves "America", and America includes South and Central America, so YOU ARE NOT AMERICA.
With your president, who is an ASSHOLE and KILLER, your country doesn't deserve the name of "the best country of the world" 'cause it is not.
If your government take care of people's welfare, and don't invent wars, your country would be better than now.
I'm a Social Worker in my country (Chile), and i know what i'm talking about.
Arlene: i hope you can fin a decent job, and if you don't, its Bush fault.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
This guy is very correct.
The US is proper shit. Worst country ever.
With your president, who is an ASSHOLE and KILLER, your country doesn't deserve the name of "the best country of the world" 'cause it is not.
If your government take care of people's welfare, and don't invent wars, your country would be better than now.
I'm a Social Worker in my country (Chile), and i know what i'm talking about.
Arlene: i hope you can fin a decent job, and if you don't, its Bush fault.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
This guy is very correct.
The US is proper shit. Worst country ever.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Guy wrote:[/QUOTENAME]
Extreme measures have been taken in the attempts to arrest terrorists all over the world. Fortunately, few countries in the world experienced such a high level of terrorism as the USA did, so they do not fully understand the meaning of terror.
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I think you may need to revise this Guy. As far as I know, the level of terrorism meted out at the USA tragically occured during the 911 attacks.
By comparison, apart from the tragic bombings in London earlier this year, the UK (including Northern Ireland) spent at least 20 years under the shadow of IRA terroism, in part sponsored by US funding.
Spain, Greece, Israel, Bali, parts of Africa and even Australia have all been blighted by terrorism in recent times.
So to say "few countries in the world experienced such a high level of terrorism as the USA", really is either very FAR from the mark indeed - or you know very little regarding the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about terrorism in general, because almost every country in the world has experienced one aspect or another of terror - I was talking about a certain level of terrorism.
Surely you're not comparing between Spain & USA/Israel/Russia/UK? Besides, people seem to forget that "meted out" means 2,986 dead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an unprecedented number in ONE attack!
Like it or not, 10 countries badly hurt ARE few of the world... I seriously doubt anyone needs to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries to remind himself just how many countries in the world are there.
Extreme measures have been taken in the attempts to arrest terrorists all over the world. Fortunately, few countries in the world experienced such a high level of terrorism as the USA did, so they do not fully understand the meaning of terror.
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I think you may need to revise this Guy. As far as I know, the level of terrorism meted out at the USA tragically occured during the 911 attacks.
By comparison, apart from the tragic bombings in London earlier this year, the UK (including Northern Ireland) spent at least 20 years under the shadow of IRA terroism, in part sponsored by US funding.
Spain, Greece, Israel, Bali, parts of Africa and even Australia have all been blighted by terrorism in recent times.
So to say "few countries in the world experienced such a high level of terrorism as the USA", really is either very FAR from the mark indeed - or you know very little regarding the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about terrorism in general, because almost every country in the world has experienced one aspect or another of terror - I was talking about a certain level of terrorism.
Surely you're not comparing between Spain & USA/Israel/Russia/UK? Besides, people seem to forget that "meted out" means 2,986 dead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an unprecedented number in ONE attack!
Like it or not, 10 countries badly hurt ARE few of the world... I seriously doubt anyone needs to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries to remind himself just how many countries in the world are there.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rockyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]USA is the most horrible country of the world. And you call yourselves "America", and America includes South and Central America, so YOU ARE NOT AMERICA.
With your president, who is an ASSHOLE and KILLER, your country doesn't deserve the name of "the best country of the world" 'cause it is not.
If your government take care of people's welfare, and don't invent wars, your country would be better than now.
I'm a Social Worker in my country (Chile), and i know what i'm talking about.
Arlene: i hope you can fin a decent job, and if you don't, its Bush fault.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
This guy is very correct.
The US is proper shit. Worst country ever. [/QUOTE]
Very convincing argument.....you've certainly convinced me. And perhaps the rest of Queenzone as well. Hands together for a well articulated statement.
With your president, who is an ASSHOLE and KILLER, your country doesn't deserve the name of "the best country of the world" 'cause it is not.
If your government take care of people's welfare, and don't invent wars, your country would be better than now.
I'm a Social Worker in my country (Chile), and i know what i'm talking about.
Arlene: i hope you can fin a decent job, and if you don't, its Bush fault.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
This guy is very correct.
The US is proper shit. Worst country ever. [/QUOTE]
Very convincing argument.....you've certainly convinced me. And perhaps the rest of Queenzone as well. Hands together for a well articulated statement.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]
Yep, everything is Bush's fault. If it rains, it's Bush's fault. If you don't get laid tonight, it's Bush's fault. If the Eagles lose, well, that's Bush for ya. [/QUOTE]
LOL! The same here in Italy about our President Berlusconi. And the problem is, some really believe it! There's a joke going around about our Communists that goes about like this:
"Daddy, Daddy do crocodiles really fly?"
"You're crazy! No! Who told you that?"
"I read it in the Unità (our Communist newspaper)
"Oh well...come on, they just flutter..."
Yep, everything is Bush's fault. If it rains, it's Bush's fault. If you don't get laid tonight, it's Bush's fault. If the Eagles lose, well, that's Bush for ya. [/QUOTE]
LOL! The same here in Italy about our President Berlusconi. And the problem is, some really believe it! There's a joke going around about our Communists that goes about like this:
"Daddy, Daddy do crocodiles really fly?"
"You're crazy! No! Who told you that?"
"I read it in the Unità (our Communist newspaper)
"Oh well...come on, they just flutter..."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The same here in Italy about our President Berlusconi.
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I beg pardon, but who is Carlo Ciampi then? ;)
P.S. I know only one Italian newspaper: Corriere della Sera. Oh no - and there is another one... About sport... Damned, I forgot the title!
The same here in Italy about our President Berlusconi.
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I beg pardon, but who is Carlo Ciampi then? ;)
P.S. I know only one Italian newspaper: Corriere della Sera. Oh no - and there is another one... About sport... Damned, I forgot the title!
Gazzetta Della Sport is better than the Corriere Dello Sport!
Down with CDS! I have something against it....
I'm not talking about the Corriere Della Sera btw.
Down with CDS! I have something against it....
I'm not talking about the Corriere Della Sera btw.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Gazzetta Della Sport is better than the Corriella Della Sport![/QUOTE]
Exactly! Gazzetta Della Sport! Yeah...
Exactly! Gazzetta Della Sport! Yeah...
And yet... The main problem of this thread was barely touched. Mrs. Cindarlene - go and smell the roses, OUTSIDE, in 3D, maybe 4D. THe thing that your replies are so long, it shows u give them more time then actually seaking a job and a better life. Pardon me if I'm wrong, but that's not exactely the way things are done at least here in Romania... I agree with Mari and P_G of course. :D
kiss kiss,
SOnia Doris
kiss kiss,
SOnia Doris
Hey Serry!
Ciampi is our President of the Republic. Berlusconi is Prime Minister.
The most read sports newspaper in Italy is Gazzetta dello Sport. You can even visit it online at
http://www.gazzetta.it/
And while we are at it, in a few minutes the soccer games start and if Parma loses we are very likely to go straight to Serie B.
SIGH
Ciao guys!
Ciampi is our President of the Republic. Berlusconi is Prime Minister.
The most read sports newspaper in Italy is Gazzetta dello Sport. You can even visit it online at
http://www.gazzetta.it/
And while we are at it, in a few minutes the soccer games start and if Parma loses we are very likely to go straight to Serie B.
SIGH
Ciao guys!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hey Serry!
Ciampi is our President of the Republic. Berlusconi is Prime Minister.
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Yes I know, that's why I was surprised when you called Berlusconi as President! :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And while we are at it, in a few minutes the soccer games start and if Parma loses we are very likely to go straight to Serie B.
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Good luck!
Ciampi is our President of the Republic. Berlusconi is Prime Minister.
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Yes I know, that's why I was surprised when you called Berlusconi as President! :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And while we are at it, in a few minutes the soccer games start and if Parma loses we are very likely to go straight to Serie B.
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Good luck!
Well Serry, we call Berlusconi our President, as he is the President of the Council of Ministers.
And just so you know, Parma is losing 2 to 1 at the end of the first half SIGH SOB.
Thanks for the good wishes, we'll badly need them!
Should I start a thread about Italian soccer? HMMM don't think it would be that interesting to most! LOL
And just so you know, Parma is losing 2 to 1 at the end of the first half SIGH SOB.
Thanks for the good wishes, we'll badly need them!
Should I start a thread about Italian soccer? HMMM don't think it would be that interesting to most! LOL
PS. Don't know why my posts don't end up at the bottom of the page LOL.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Should I start a thread about Italian soccer? HMMM don't think it would be that interesting to most! LOL
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Yes Fairy please do! Juventus won today so i'm very very happy. Parma could be getting Zdenek Zeman as their new manager, if they do, things will look up for them ;)
Forza Juve!
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Yes Fairy please do! Juventus won today so i'm very very happy. Parma could be getting Zdenek Zeman as their new manager, if they do, things will look up for them ;)
Forza Juve!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rockyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]USA is the most horrible country of the world. And you call yourselves "America", and America includes South and Central America, so YOU ARE NOT AMERICA.
With your president, who is an ASSHOLE and KILLER, your country doesn't deserve the name of "the best country of the world" 'cause it is not.
If your government take care of people's welfare, and don't invent wars, your country would be better than now.
I'm a Social Worker in my country (Chile), and i know what i'm talking about.
Arlene: i hope you can fin a decent job, and if you don't, its Bush fault.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
This guy is very correct.
The US is proper shit. Worst country ever. [/QUOTE]
Attention all Queenzoners, I present to you two of the most biased, moronic posters on the entire forum. Please stand behind the yellow line and refrain from feeding them, it is for your own safety.
With your president, who is an ASSHOLE and KILLER, your country doesn't deserve the name of "the best country of the world" 'cause it is not.
If your government take care of people's welfare, and don't invent wars, your country would be better than now.
I'm a Social Worker in my country (Chile), and i know what i'm talking about.
Arlene: i hope you can fin a decent job, and if you don't, its Bush fault.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
This guy is very correct.
The US is proper shit. Worst country ever. [/QUOTE]
Attention all Queenzoners, I present to you two of the most biased, moronic posters on the entire forum. Please stand behind the yellow line and refrain from feeding them, it is for your own safety.